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Postby Condunum » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:30 pm

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It is relevant to me. Doesn't matter how it is to you.

You're biased though.

Therefore he is irrelevant! POW!
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:30 pm

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Grenartia wrote:1. Because you refuse to be intellectually honest.

2. But you haven't proven that the GUT is propaganda.


1) Your opinion.
2) Wait till the LGBT craze slows down, if it ever does.


1. Which is based on known facts and logic (just like science), unlike your thoughts on this subject.

2. Its not a "craze", any more than the Civil Rights Movement was a "craze".
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:30 pm

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Nature. Yes, we can do the tango if you want.

I think we've danced it before.
If I remember it went something like this.

Shershah: Nature doesn't like homosexuals because they can't reproduce.
Some other person: But often, non reproducing members of a species are beneficial to the species as a whole. Look at an ant for example.
Shershah: Lol, are you saying ants are homosexual. Wow, your stupid.

But sperm donation centers exist...So even if everyone was gay, reproduction would still be possible.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:30 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Nature. Yes, we can do the tango if you want.

And in nature there are animals with Homosexual tendencies(Almost every animal on the planet) :palm:


Exceptions. AS in the total no of individuals, not species.

Seriously just reread what has been posted. Same thing, almost word for word.

Pandeeria wrote:
Shershah wrote:
It is relevant to me. Doesn't matter how it is to you.

You're biased though.


Nope, I am just going by what i see in nature.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:30 pm

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Liriena wrote:Bias is irrelevant. What makes research valuable is its method and conclusions, not its political spin. You refusing to accept this is merely a childish excuse to avoid being proven wrong.


It is relevant to me. Doesn't matter how it is to you.

Do you think there is any human being on the face of the Earth who is not biased? Do you think Freud wasn't biased? Or any of your other "old" sources?

You yourself are biased, and yet you have the balls to whine about political bias in modern research like some sort of paragon of objectivity.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:31 pm

Condunum wrote:
Shershah wrote:
It is relevant to me. Doesn't matter how it is to you.

You can't be more than 15. No adult should have this high level of egocentrism.

I don't know... I've met my fair share of megalomaniacal adults... :P
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:31 pm

Shershah wrote:
New haven america wrote:And in nature there are animals with Homosexual tendencies(Almost every animal on the planet) :palm:


Exceptions. AS in the total no of individuals, not species.

Seriously just reread what has been posted. Same thing, almost word for word.

Pandeeria wrote:You're biased though.


Nope, I am just going by what i see in nature.


Dang, you're logical fallacy is showing again. You're biased by thinking that nature is automatically good.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Shershah wrote:
1) Your opinion.
2) Wait till the LGBT craze slows down, if it ever does.


1. Which is based on known facts and logic (just like science), unlike your thoughts on this subject.

2. Its not a "craze", any more than the Civil Rights Movement was a "craze".


1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:You're biased though.


Nope, I am just going by what i see in nature.

I find your lack of self-awareness fascinating.
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Postby Olthar » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Condunum wrote:You can't be more than 15. No adult should have this high level of egocentrism.

I don't know... I've met my fair share of megalomaniacal adults... :P

Most dictators come to mind. *nods*
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:32 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Just a point of order, I'm a "they", not a "he".


Oh, oops, sorry about that.


Its ok. Nobody really seems to read my sig.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Liriena wrote:
Condunum wrote:You can't be more than 15. No adult should have this high level of egocentrism.

I don't know... I've met my fair share of megalomaniacal adults... :P

Aside from myself, I suppose you know a few. But that's just about as extreme as it can get without flat out declaring oneself to be the center of the universe.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Dang, you're logical fallacy is showing again. You're biased by thinking that nature is automatically good.


Good and bad are subjective.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Shershah wrote:
New haven america wrote:And in nature there are animals with Homosexual tendencies(Almost every animal on the planet) :palm:


Exceptions. AS in the total no of individuals, not species.

Seriously just reread what has been posted. Same thing, almost word for word.

Pandeeria wrote:You're biased though.


Nope, I am just going by what i see in nature.

And there are Homosexuals in nature
Also, I'm waiting for a source saying it's bad, you can provide one and you are failing horribly.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:33 pm

Shershah wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Which is based on known facts and logic (just like science), unlike your thoughts on this subject.

2. Its not a "craze", any more than the Civil Rights Movement was a "craze".


1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.


1) No, not everything is an opinion. Logic does exist.

2) They seemed pretty spot on. Perhaps elaborate?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Condunum wrote:
Liriena wrote:I don't know... I've met my fair share of megalomaniacal adults... :P

Aside from myself, I suppose you know a few. But that's just about as extreme as it can get without flat out declaring oneself to be the center of the universe.

Love, you are the center of my universe. Although Andreja Pejic is kind of my Big Bang, so there you have it. ;)
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Nope, I am just going by what i see in nature.

I find your lack of self-awareness fascinating.

It truly is.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:35 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Dang, you're logical fallacy is showing again. You're biased by thinking that nature is automatically good.


Good and bad are subjective.

Foot, meet mouth.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:35 pm

Condunum wrote:
Shershah wrote:
It is relevant to me. Doesn't matter how it is to you.

You can't be more than 15. No adult should have this high level of egocentrism.

I'm 15 and I'm doing better than him.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:35 pm

Shershah wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Which is based on known facts and logic (just like science), unlike your thoughts on this subject.

2. Its not a "craze", any more than the Civil Rights Movement was a "craze".


1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.


:palm: There are no words to explain how wrong you are. I don't even know where to begin in debunking everything wrong with your statement.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:35 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Shershah wrote:
1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.


1) No, not everything is an opinion. Logic does exist.

2) They seemed pretty spot on. Perhaps elaborate?


1) That is just your opinion.

2) Again would cause a derailment. Feel free to create another thread for it though and i will be happy so explain.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Shershah wrote:
1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.


:palm: There are no words to explain how wrong you are. I don't even know where to begin in debunking everything wrong with your statement.

You could begin with him saying "Logic doesn't exist"
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Good and bad are subjective.

Foot, meet mouth.


You can fit your entire foot in your mouth ? and you can bring your leg up like that ? Impressive.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Dang, you're logical fallacy is showing again. You're biased by thinking that nature is automatically good.


Good and bad are subjective.


WHAT? I'm so done right now. You said that sense homosexuality isn't the norm, it's therefore not normal (same thing as unnatural) and since to you something that is not natural is NOT GOOD that means homosexuality is not good to you.

You just contradicted you're self on such a major level, I think you should just concede.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Shershah wrote:
1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.


:palm: There are no words to explain how wrong you are. I don't even know where to begin in debunking everything wrong with your statement.

You can't debunk it, because his statement is not just wrong. It's beyond right or wrong. It's the very epitome of bullshit, the likes of which I have not witnessed ever since the last time Right-Wing Watch posted a vid of Glenn Beck's ramblings.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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