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What country would you most like to see overthrown by military coup?

U.S.A.
34
15%
Germany
23
10%
France
5
2%
Russia
29
13%
China
25
11%
Turkey
34
15%
Saudi Arabia
42
19%
Iran
20
9%
The Philippines
15
7%
 
Total votes : 227

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Postby New Werpland » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:29 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
New Werpland wrote:But Erdogan is a Putin-style authoritarian conservative, you'd think right wing guys would like that kind of thing.

The right-wing is more diverse than people like to imagine.

More likely they don't understand who he is or think the military are still Kemalist nationalists.
Senyosu wrote:Mainly his policies have reversed many of Turkey's progressive and secular values, both of which were deeply entrenched in Turkish society as core values. Also generally being incompetent, and thinking he can let Turkey into the EU with his current social and economic policies.

He's not been interested in the EU for quite a while.
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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:31 pm

New Werpland wrote:So why does everyone here want Turkey to experience a coup?


It could be because some madman has turned it from a prosperous country back into a third world shitheap. Ignore all the talk of progressiveness, this is irrelevant. What matters is he has reintroduced certain aspects of the ME that Ataturk strove to get rid of. Namely, cronyism and going full retard internationally.

Conserative Morality wrote:RWDT, what are the GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES of our time?


I'd like to see equal treatment for men in courts. That'd be pretty nice. Otherwise, what Dagashi said.
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Postby -Fahrong- » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:RWDT, what are the GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES of our time?

Abortion, Destruction of the family, and the effects of globalism.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:32 pm

Napkiraly wrote:What does the RWDT think of including worker's on company board's? Personally, I'm in favour of it. I think it's important that worker's considerations, interests, and well-being always have a voice at the table whenever decisions are being drawn up.

It seems like a good idea, even if I'm not too fond of joint-stock companies. They give too much power to the bourgeoisie.
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Jochizyd Republic
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:33 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The right-wing is more diverse than people like to imagine.

More likely they don't understand who he is or think the military are still Kemalist nationalists.

Many don't understand that. Not all the Right Wing.

I find it hilarious how people go on and on about this "Islamist Fascism" in Turkey. Yet blast through their diapers when someone says something similarly outlandish about Trump and him being a "Nazi Racist Fascist"
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Postby -Fahrong- » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:34 pm

New Werpland wrote:So why does everyone here want Turkey to experience a coup?

Supporting and funding the Islamic State, being flip floppity and thus dangerous in his foreign policy, encouraging violent Islamism within his own country.
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Postby Senyosu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:34 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The right-wing is more diverse than people like to imagine.

More likely they don't understand who he is or think the military are still Kemalist nationalists.
Senyosu wrote:Mainly his policies have reversed many of Turkey's progressive and secular values, both of which were deeply entrenched in Turkish society as core values. Also generally being incompetent, and thinking he can let Turkey into the EU with his current social and economic policies.

He's not been interested in the EU for quite a while.

He betrayed much of the national values established by Kemal Ataturk.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:RWDT, what are the GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES of our time?

Abortion, contraception, gender confusion, single parenthood, promiscuity, private greed and poor wages that necessitate women in the workforce, globalization, academic bias, infrugality, and lack of respect all spring to mind.
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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:37 pm

Napkiraly wrote:What does the RWDT think of including worker's on company board's? Personally, I'm in favour of it. I think it's important that worker's considerations, interests, and well-being always have a voice at the table whenever decisions are being drawn up.


Giving them stock options too. If thats the route a company thinks is most effective, they should do it. We should not have any role in forcing it along however. Thats on the workers at that company to choose for themselves. We should however, make it an available option in our corporate structurings though.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:38 pm

-Fahrong- wrote:
New Werpland wrote:So why does everyone here want Turkey to experience a coup?

Supporting and funding the Islamic State, being flip floppity and thus dangerous in his foreign policy, encouraging violent Islamism within his own country.

I don't think the Islamism thing has anything to do with Erdogan. Him being a secularist and all.

He is pretty terrible though. Literally Turk Trump.
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Postby Senyosu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:39 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
-Fahrong- wrote:Supporting and funding the Islamic State, being flip floppity and thus dangerous in his foreign policy, encouraging violent Islamism within his own country.

I don't think the Islamism thing has anything to do with Erdogan. Him being a secularist and all.

He is pretty terrible though. Literally Turk Trump.

He kowtows to Islamist sentiments that have been growing in Turkey. And seems to do nothing to stop the influx of ISIS supporters either.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:41 pm

Senyosu wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I don't think the Islamism thing has anything to do with Erdogan. Him being a secularist and all.

He is pretty terrible though. Literally Turk Trump.

He kowtows to Islamist sentiments that have been growing in Turkey. And seems to do nothing to stop the influx of ISIS supporters either.


He is cleverer than that. He crushed any independent religious organization in Turkey and essentially made it a wing of his party. He uses it as a tool to control the masses.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Senyosu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:41 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Senyosu wrote:He kowtows to Islamist sentiments that have been growing in Turkey. And seems to do nothing to stop the influx of ISIS supporters either.


He is cleverer than that. He crushed any independent religious organization in Turkey and essentially made it a wing of his party. He uses it as a tool to control the masses.

Still abhorrent.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:43 pm

Senyosu wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
He is cleverer than that. He crushed any independent religious organization in Turkey and essentially made it a wing of his party. He uses it as a tool to control the masses.

Still abhorrent.


No doubt, I'd consider it worse than your original accusation personally speaking. He is taking advantage of the poor in this way by perverting their religion.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Alt Right » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:44 pm

-Fahrong- wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:RWDT, what are the GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES of our time?

Abortion, Destruction of the family, and the effects of globalism.

Excellent allow me to add homosexuality, feminism, and the effects of multiculturalism.

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:46 pm

Alt Right wrote:
-Fahrong- wrote:Abortion, Destruction of the family, and the effects of globalism.

Excellent allow me to add homosexuality, feminism, and the effects of multiculturalism.

I think you mean cosmopolitanism. Multiculturalism is pretty alright, it's just an enormously misused term.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:RWDT, what are the GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES of our time?

Idolatry/Materialism, Ultra-modernism/liberalism/nationalism, Populism, Totalitarianism, Fundamentalism and Anti-Environmentalism.
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Postby -Fahrong- » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:48 pm

Alt Right wrote:
-Fahrong- wrote:Abortion, Destruction of the family, and the effects of globalism.

Excellent allow me to add homosexuality, feminism, and the effects of multiculturalism.

I guess I sort of rolled the first two into destruction of the family in my head.

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
-Fahrong- wrote:Supporting and funding the Islamic State, being flip floppity and thus dangerous in his foreign policy, encouraging violent Islamism within his own country.

I don't think the Islamism thing has anything to do with Erdogan. Him being a secularist and all.

He is pretty terrible though. Literally Turk Trump.

I dont mean to say he is an islamist, I am saying that he is doing nothing to stop its growth.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:49 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Alt Right wrote:Excellent allow me to add homosexuality, feminism, and the effects of multiculturalism.

I think you mean cosmopolitanism. Multiculturalism is pretty alright, it's just an enormously misused term.


Multiculturalism is a surefire way to make certain your country will balkanize at some point in the future.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:49 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Senyosu wrote:Still abhorrent.


No doubt, I'd consider it worse than your original accusation personally speaking. He is taking advantage of the poor in this way by perverting their religion.

Literally. He is such a corrupt fuck.

Pisses me off when critics say he's acting like a Sultan.

No. He's acting far from how a Sultan should act.
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Postby Senyosu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:51 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I think you mean cosmopolitanism. Multiculturalism is pretty alright, it's just an enormously misused term.


Multiculturalism is a surefire way to make certain your country will balkanize at some point in the future.

That's if you fuck up on day one.

Integrate people, shut the deviants (anyone that protests against integration or in favor of some form of supremacy), and make them understand each other. Worked in Singapore. Worked to a certain degree in Canada because we have a lot of Tory immigrants.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:52 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I think you mean cosmopolitanism. Multiculturalism is pretty alright, it's just an enormously misused term.


Multiculturalism is a surefire way to make certain your country will balkanize at some point in the future.

Not really, no.
Cosmopolitanism is cancer though.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:52 pm

Senyosu wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Multiculturalism is a surefire way to make certain your country will balkanize at some point in the future.

That's if you fuck up on day one.

Integrate people, shut the deviants (anyone that protests against integration or in favor of some form of supremacy), and make them understand each other. Worked in Singapore. Worked to a certain degree in Canada because we have a lot of Tory immigrants.


Thats if you think such a thing is a desirable. I don't view it as a positive. They should assimilate, not integrate. The old country stays in the old country.

Diopolis wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Multiculturalism is a surefire way to make certain your country will balkanize at some point in the future.

Not really, no.
Cosmopolitanism is cancer though.


Have you been watching the news lately? Perhaps you've haven't heard about this place full of multiculturalism called the Middle East. It isn't very peaceful or stable.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:54 pm

-Fahrong- wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I don't think the Islamism thing has anything to do with Erdogan. Him being a secularist and all.

He is pretty terrible though. Literally Turk Trump.

I dont mean to say he is an islamist, I am saying that he is doing nothing to stop its growth.

Islamists? In Turkey? Legally?

I had no Idea the Muslim Brotherhood was allowed branches in Turkey. lol.

Now if you mean Islamic Theocrats, which is a different thing altogether, Who exactly are you talking about?
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Postby Senyosu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:56 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Senyosu wrote:That's if you fuck up on day one.

Integrate people, shut the deviants (anyone that protests against integration or in favor of some form of supremacy), and make them understand each other. Worked in Singapore. Worked to a certain degree in Canada because we have a lot of Tory immigrants.


Thats if you think such a thing is a desirable. I don't view it as a positive. They should assimilate, not integrate. The old country stays in the old country.

Well integration is an easier compromise, and if done particularly well (Singapore) it gives off an illusion of assimilation.

Make the families of different heritages live among each other, rat out those that oppose it. Unify under one banner that is the nation's flag.

Force should be used to weed out dissidents and such folk out. Disruption to social order and social cohesion are enemies of national development and prosperity. After all, the best friend of (in Europe) of the Wahhabi is the ultranat that alienates anything that is not in their so called perfect world. The best friend of (in America) of BLM is the zealous police officer and the supporters on both sides that choose to ignore legitimate misgivings, racial supremacists, and racial segregationists.
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