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Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
They could but such a ruling would totally undermine the legitimacy of the court. Donald Trump Jr. could not be nominated to the court. Its against the law.

Nobody cares about the legitimacy of the court anymore

If people don't think the court is legitimate they won't obey it's rulings. We need the court to be legitimate because otherwise it won't be able to do its job of enforcing the law and keeping other branches of government in check.

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Biden leads 51-44 in Nebraska's second district which is Omaha. Jill Biden will campaign here. Obama won this district in 2008 and thus its electoral vote.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:They don't have to prove anything. They control the highest court in the land, they can write any bullshit reasoning they want in a decision and no one can do anything about it. Chief Justice Donald Trump Jr. could write a decision saying that God spoke to him in a dream told him that marriage is between a man and a woman only and there's nothing you could do about it.

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When Obama played by the rules he gave the Republicans a seat on the Supreme Court.

They could but such a ruling would totally undermine the legitimacy of the court. Donald Trump Jr. could not be nominated to the court. Its against the law.

So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

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Bienenhalde wrote:

Ifreann wrote:
When Obama played by the rules he gave the Republicans a seat on the Supreme Court.

No, that was the voter's fault for electing Trump. Obama was completely right to follow the rules.

If Clinton had won then the vacancy would have been held open until a Republican took the White House.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Nobody cares about the legitimacy of the court anymore

If people don't think the court is legitimate they won't obey it's rulings. We need the court to be legitimate because otherwise it won't be able to do its job of enforcing the law and keeping other branches of government in check.

Try telling the cops that you reject the legitimacy of the court, see what good it does you.

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
They could but such a ruling would totally undermine the legitimacy of the court. Donald Trump Jr. could not be nominated to the court. Its against the law.

So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

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Bienenhalde wrote:
No, that was the voter's fault for electing Trump. Obama was completely right to follow the rules.

If Clinton had won then the vacancy would have been held open until a Republican took the White House.

Rule the anti nepotism law unconstitutional? Because that what you'd have to do.

so the court would be short two members? doubtful.

Ifreann wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
They could but such a ruling would totally undermine the legitimacy of the court. Donald Trump Jr. could not be nominated to the court. Its against the law.

So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Ifreann wrote:So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

Thermodolia wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

Can we please not start this nonsense again?

Thermodolia wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

Valrifell wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

i wouldnt be so certain, you already have rando's killing each other in the streets, whats to stop people from escalating from there?

Thermodolia wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:If the court isn't considered legitimate, then why would the army, or the FBI, or the CIA listen to them? We could very well have a second civil war breaking out.

We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

Well, I can understand the fear that a civil war might be unpreventable, but I still think we should try to stand up for what is morally right and not just engage in shameless power grabs. If we aren't going to have any moral standards, what is the point of voting or engaging in politics in the first place. I am supporting Biden because I believe he believes in morals and the rule of law. But if neither side will care about morals or laws, why even bother voting?

Loben III wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

i wouldnt be so certain, you already have rando's killing each other in the streets, whats to stop people from escalating from there?

Cohesive political organization and action, mostly. There are no clearly defined "sides" with policy, just very very loosely structured militias and political organizations with vague and esoteric agendas. Not very inspiring.

Valrifell wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

Well, if people in government act completely arbitrarily and the military and the FBI and the CIA no longer have any reason to remain loyal, it wouldn't be totally implausible.

Valrifell wrote:

Loben III wrote:
i wouldnt be so certain, you already have rando's killing each other in the streets, whats to stop people from escalating from there?

Cohesive political organization and action, mostly. There are no clearly defined "sides" with agendas, just very very loosely structured militias and political organizations with vague and esoteric agendas. Not very inspiring.

Tbf that's the makeup of most civil wars nowadays

Bienenhalde wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

Well, if people in government act completely arbitrarily and the military and the FBI and the CIA no longer have any reason to remain loyal, it wouldn't be totally implausible.

Yes, thank you for describing the current situation.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Cohesive political organization and action, mostly. There are no clearly defined "sides" with agendas, just very very loosely structured militias and political organizations with vague and esoteric agendas. Not very inspiring.

Tbf that's the makeup of most civil wars nowadays

Yeah but American militias seem to lack the ability to actually hold or maintain territory for a significant amount of time, particularly when under pressure by relevant authorities.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:We are already going to have a second civil war breaking out. There’s nothing we can do to stop it. We can only extend the time frame at this point.

If Biden wins in November the civil war would still happen just not as soon, if Trump wins civil war will happen within 5 years.

All we are doing is extending when the civil war happens by 5 or so years

Can we please not start this nonsense again?

It’s not nonsense.

People have lost faith in the system. Many on the left wing feel that there’s no hope anymore because they all know that a super conservative is on the court. That is now pushing them into supporting more extreme measures like revolution, General strikes, assassinations, and the like.

When you push people until they have no hope left they will either breakdown or fire back with white hot rage

Bienenhalde wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

Well, if people in government act completely arbitrarily and the military and the FBI and the CIA no longer have any reason to remain loyal, it wouldn't be totally implausible.

The FBI and CIA will remain loyal so long as no politician threatens their base of power or paychecks. So far, nobody really has.

San Lumen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:So what? Who's going to stop them? They have the Supreme Court, Trump's judges can just rule his actions legal. What difference does the legitimacy of the court make?

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If Clinton had won then the vacancy would have been held open until a Republican took the White House.

Rule the anti nepotism law unconstitutional? Because that what you'd have to do.

Do you think they wouldn't? Do you think there are any depths to which they would not sink? Donald Trump raped his wife and no one in the Republican Party cares. He's been violating the Emoluments Clause since he took office and they don't care.

so the court would be short two members? doubtful.

Tell me how they could have been stopped if they did it. Tell me how you make a Republican controlled Senate do anything they don't want to do. Obama couldn't make them give Merrick Garland a vote, what could Clinton have done?

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Can we please not start this nonsense again?

It’s not nonsense.

People have lost faith in the system. Many on the left wing feel that there’s no hope anymore because they all know that a super conservative is on the court. That is now pushing them into supporting more extreme measures like revolution, General strikes, assassinations, and the like.

When you push people until they have no hope left they will either breakdown or fire back with white hot rage

More fearmongering?

Bienenhalde wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I sincerely doubt the possibility of another Civil War.

Well, if people in government act completely arbitrarily and the military and the FBI and the CIA no longer have any reason to remain loyal, it wouldn't be totally implausible.

Except I don't work for the Government, I work for the Constitution.

This isn't fucking 1858. It's 1932.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Can we please not start this nonsense again?

It’s not nonsense.

People have lost faith in the system. Many on the left wing feel that there’s no hope anymore because they all know that a super conservative is on the court. That is now pushing them into supporting more extreme measures like revolution, General strikes, assassinations, and the like.

When you push people until they have no hope left they will either breakdown or fire back with white hot rage

hopefully the former then the latter.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Can we please not start this nonsense again?

It’s not nonsense.

People have lost faith in the system. Many on the left wing feel that there’s no hope anymore because they all know that a super conservative is on the court. That is now pushing them into supporting more extreme measures like revolution, General strikes, assassinations, and the like.

When you push people until they have no hope left they will either breakdown or fire back with white hot rage

Coming from someone who has a unhealthy obsession with coups forgive me if I dont take your claims seriously.

Organized States wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, if people in government act completely arbitrarily and the military and the FBI and the CIA no longer have any reason to remain loyal, it wouldn't be totally implausible.

Except I don't work for the Government, I work for the Constitution.

This isn't fucking 1858. It's 1932.

Subtle but nope.

Valrifell wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbf that's the makeup of most civil wars nowadays

Yeah but American militias seem to lack the ability to actually hold or maintain territory for a significant amount of time, particularly when under pressure by relevant authorities.

And? That’s not much different than Syria.

Face it a second American civil war isn’t going to be red Vs blue but everyone and their mothers dog against everyone else. Think Syrian civil war turned to 11. Canada would immediately collapse under the weight of American refugees and the fighting.