UK Politics Thread: The Mandelson Effect

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

A demilitarised Iran would actually be a bad thing for the UK - and west as a whole - given that in the aftermath of the fall of the regime, Islamists of a different sort like ISIS's Khorasan franchise will be actively trying to gain a foothold in Iran.

I'm not sure why nobody seems to have informed trump of this.
Knocking out the Iranian regime is effectively pressing the terrorist spawn button.

Maybe he wants to farm them for the XP.

[Ariddia]

At what point did I say the government was a good thing?

Don't try to change the subject. You denied that it's a terrorism-exporting state.

[Tyson Fury]

You're thinking of the Saudis.

No he isn't.

Iran organises, directs and funds terrorism around the world.

That is a fact which no-one disputes.
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Last time I checked it was saudis who did 9/11 and fund all these radical mosques in the uk

[Imperializt Russia]

A demilitarised Iran would actually be a bad thing for the UK - and west as a whole - given that in the aftermath of the fall of the regime, Islamists of a different sort like ISIS's Khorasan franchise will be actively trying to gain a foothold in Iran.

I'm not sure why nobody seems to have informed trump of this.
Knocking out the Iranian regime is effectively pressing the terrorist spawn button.

But have you considered?

Iran bad.

Your reasoned argument is forfeit.

At what point did I say the government was a good thing?

Don't try to change the subject. You denied that it's a terrorism-exporting state.

So are most governments. Ours included.

[The Archregimancy]

When do the Iranians get payback for Britain insisting in 1925 that Reza Pahlavi should become Shah rather than establish a republic, the 1941 UK-Soviet occupation of Iran, or the 1953 UK-American coup that overthrew Mosaddegh?

That's the thing with 'payback'. It always tends to be very one-sided, and it doesn't usually take too long to see that both sides might have grounds for being upset with the other.

Best to rise above petty tit-for-tat revenge, I think.

Could be an opportunity for getting even with America for its treason against King George III.

Or for Persia to get payback on Western Civilisation for Salamis and Plataea. It's never too late to avenge Xerxes and Mardonius!

[Tyson Fury]

Imagine thinking the Daily Mail was a reliable source.

If you have any evidence that Corbyn was not at a pro-Islamic Republic rally then please feel free to provide it.

I mean you support separatism which is pretty extreme

Scotland was independent from England for most of its history. Self-determination is not an extreme principle but is foundational to liberalism. Sorry that your favour dictator got blown into pieces!

Wtf are you on about i dont like iran, why do the people here jump to conclusions so extremely??

my main point is all rallies in support of foreign states, like the ones we have seen for palestine, israel, ukraine, Syria, Russia, iran, india, pakistan should be discouraged.

Dunno where you got from that I support iran

maybe you shouldnt become independent if you cant understand my points

[Tyson Fury]

Of course.
Though destroying the terrorist iranian state does more than just helping Israel and the US.
It ends a main funder of islamic terrorism.
Though the Saudis also have to answer for that as well.

i love going to war for israel

Thats what the bankers want us to do,, while they fund migrants back home and flood our country with them

wouldn't be surprised if labour get us involved to distract us from them being paedo protectors

[Ostroeuropa]

The UK should consider getting in on attacking Iran with the US and Israel. This would obstensibly get payback for Iran's navy detaining British personnel back in 2007. This is the window of time to destroy Iran's navy.

When do the Iranians get payback for Britain insisting in 1925 that Reza Pahlavi should become Shah rather than establish a republic, the 1941 UK-Soviet occupation of Iran, or the 1953 UK-American coup that overthrew Mosaddegh?

That's the thing with 'payback'. It always tends to be very one-sided, and it doesn't usually take too long to see that both sides might have grounds for being upset with the other.

Best to rise above petty tit-for-tat revenge, I think.

For the first two, never, as it was prior to the foundation of the UN and I don't see how anybody could possibly have jurisdiction. For the latter, I'd welcome them bringing a case. This is broadly my opinion for all historic crimes between nations. On the other hand the world doesn't seem to really work that way unfortunately and the UN can't do its job without people agreeing to actually use it.

[Tyson Fury]

Is our government supporting regime change to increase the number of migrants in the uk? Thats what they did with libya and now all the migrants set off from their to Britain

I also am thinking they are trying to distract from epstein-mandleson-starmer connections, and from the migrants already here

we should send our Navy not to the middle east, but to stop migrants that are gonna come as a result of the fall out

It makes you wonder what other conflicts our govt has started to increase the number of migrants coming to the uk

[Ifreann]

You are joking, right? Israel has a long history of supporting and funding terroristic groups when that is in its interests. To the extent that there's an entire wiki article all about it.

Give an example then.
What Israeli terror group has actively murdered british citizens?

The Israeli Defence Force.

[Fartsniffage]

Is our government supporting regime change to increase the number of migrants in the uk? Thats what they did with libya and now all the migrants set off from their to Britain

I also am thinking they are trying to distract from epstein-mandleson-starmer connections, and from the migrants already here

we should send our Navy not to the middle east, but to stop migrants that are gonna come as a result of the fall out

It makes you wonder what other conflicts our govt has started to increase the number of migrants coming to the uk

Well this is certainly one of the posts of all time.

[Tyson Fury]

You are joking, right? Israel has a long history of supporting and funding terroristic groups when that is in its interests. To the extent that there's an entire wiki article all about it.

Give an example then.
What Israeli terror group has actively murdered british citizens?

our queen hated israel cuz they killed a bunch of British soldiers in the 1940s

some have also said the epstein group was Israeli backed, but idk if he killed any brits but he probably groomed some

[Humanlonia]

Give an example then.
What Israeli terror group has actively murdered british citizens?

our queen hated israel cuz they killed a bunch of British soldiers in the 1940s

some have also said the epstein group was Israeli backed, but idk if he killed any brits but he probably groomed some

These some should be put in a straitjacket.

[Vassenor]

At what point did I say the government was a good thing?

Don't try to change the subject. You denied that it's a terrorism-exporting state.

Where?

[Ariddia]

it's a terrorism-exporting state.

So are most governments. Ours included.

I'm not convinced that's a valid comparison.

Most governments do not organise, direct, arm and fund terrorist groups abroad with the aim of mass-murdering and terrorising innocent foreign civilians so as to advance political goals. The British government isn't doing that, and nor are the governments of most countries. Contrary to Iran's.

[Tyson Fury]

So are most governments. Ours included.

I'm not convinced that's a valid comparison.

Most governments do not organise, direct, arm and fund terrorist groups abroad with the aim of mass-murdering and terrorising innocent foreign civilians so as to advance political goals. The British government isn't doing that, and nor are the governments of most countries. Contrary to Iran's.

Cameron wasted a ton of our money funding jihadis in libya and Syria

[Tyson Fury]

our queen hated israel cuz they killed a bunch of British soldiers in the 1940s

some have also said the epstein group was Israeli backed, but idk if he killed any brits but he probably groomed some

These some should be put in a straitjacket.

They should be given a knighthood

RULE BRITANNIA!

[Velstrania]

So are most governments. Ours included.

I'm not convinced that's a valid comparison.

Most governments do not organise, direct, arm and fund terrorist groups abroad with the aim of mass-murdering and terrorising innocent foreign civilians so as to advance political goals. The British government isn't doing that, and nor are the governments of most countries. Contrary to Iran's.

The two governments attacking Iran do have proud and glorious histories of it though.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I'm not convinced that's a valid comparison.

Most governments do not organise, direct, arm and fund terrorist groups abroad with the aim of mass-murdering and terrorising innocent foreign civilians so as to advance political goals. The British government isn't doing that, and nor are the governments of most countries. Contrary to Iran's.

Cameron wasted a ton of our money funding jihadis in libya and Syria

which ones

[Tyson Fury]

Cameron wasted a ton of our money funding jihadis in libya and Syria

which ones

"Free" Syrian army, Libyan Islamic fighter group

Also he was helping jihadi saudis

[Magna-Parva]

which ones

"Free" Syrian army, Libyan Islamic fighter group

Also he was helping jihadi saudis

This is very funny. Do you also believe Theresa May was giving funds to the alien moon colony?

The LIFG was (checks notes) declared a terrorist organization by the UK gov't in 2005. Why would Cameron give them money? Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support these most ludicrous assertions? Because I've seen toddler's drawings that are more convincing than the picture you're trying to paint.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

which ones

"Free" Syrian army,

Free Syrian Army was a big tent coalition of a multitude of groups both secular and religious - can you show British funding went to Jihadi groups that were part of it?

Libyan Islamic fighter group

LIFG was a prescribed terrorist organisation from 2005 until 2019 - a period of time encompassing Cameron's entire PMship, and ending two years after LIFG folded in 2017. If you have evidence Cameron was breaking British law and funding them, please provide it.

[-Saiwania-]

It looks like I'm getting some of what I want, the British military is officially going to intercept some Iranian drones and missiles if not get involved on a wider scale.

[Tyson Fury]

"Free" Syrian army,

Free Syrian Army was a big tent coalition of a multitude of groups both secular and religious - can you show British funding went to Jihadi groups that were part of it?

cameron sent them vehicles and other supplies, no doubt it ended up in the hands of jihadis, since all these rebels were jihadis more or less.

This is very funny. Do you also believe Theresa May was giving funds to the alien moon colony?

The LIFG was (checks notes) declared a terrorist organization by the UK gov't in 2005. Why would Cameron give them money? Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support these most ludicrous assertions? Because I've seen toddler's drawings that are more convincing than the picture you're trying to paint.

Many lifg members were living in the uk, no doubt funded by the British taxpayer, including the dad of the Manchester arena bomber and the bomber himself. On top of that we were bombing libya to help the lifg win the civil war, using our taxpayer money to help jihadis


Also these "terrorist lists" are for show. Do you think corrupt govts like ours which help paedos would follow a "terrorist group list" to the letter? Correct answer is no

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Free Syrian Army was a big tent coalition of a multitude of groups both secular and religious - can you show British funding went to Jihadi groups that were part of it?
cameron sent them vehicles and other supplies, no doubt it ended up in the hands of jihadis, since all these rebels were jihadis more or less.

Many lifg members were living in the uk, no doubt funded by the British taxpayer, including the dad of the Manchester arena bomber and the bomber himself. On top of that we were bombing libya to help the lifg win the civil war, using our taxpayer money to help jihadis

The Libyan Civil War was not a fight between Gaddafi and just LIFG. The largest and most successful of the anti-Gaddafi forces were not Islamists, they were the NTC, the Tripoli and Zintan Brigades and most importantly the Misrata Military Council.