European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

A whopping 56% of All Americans want the Decalogue influencing national law. Only A Minority of 20% Disagrees. See, two can play this quoting without context and peddling alarmist shit game.

[Geilinor]

17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

Besides, have you heard? 56% of All Americans, that is One in Two wants Christian Law to Rule the land.

[Valystria]

Well its not

I know. But the majority of Islamophobic rhetoric only makes sense if you start acting like it is.

Empirical evidence has been provided. Surveys on Muslim attitudes have been provided. You have been shown a majority of Muslims support discriminating against women and gay people, supporting punishing adulterers with stoning, killing apostates, and a vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims being in support of imposing Islamic law.

Provide evidence to demonstrate otherwise.

A whopping 56% of All Americans want the Decalogue influencing national law. See, two can play this quoting without context game.

Provide evidence that a majority of Americans support killing apostates, stoning adulterers to death, and believing a woman must always obey her husband. Otherwise you are engaging in a false equivalence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

As demonstrated, a majority believing a woman must always obey her husband, believing adulterers should be stoned to death, that apostates should be executed, that homosexuality should be punished, and so and and so on.

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

Besides, have you heard? 56% of All Americans, that is One in Two wants Christian Law to Rule the land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

[Ostroeuropa]

17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

Which is where the rest of the polls come in.
It's clear that most muslims think that homophobia, misogyny etc, are part of the principles of Islam.

[Geilinor]

It depends on what one believes the "principles of Islam" to be.

Which is where the rest of the polls come in.
It's clear that most muslims think that homophobia, misogyny etc, are part of the principles of Islam.

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

[Ghatawerpya]

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17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

Strange because this study by Pew says but 12% of Muslim Turks want sharia to be their country's official law.

Where does your picture come from?

[Vassenor]

Which is where the rest of the polls come in.
It's clear that most muslims think that homophobia, misogyny etc, are part of the principles of Islam.

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

Clearly. Or they wouldn't be making the backbone of every post go on about how we're implicitly supporting the oppression of minorities.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

A whopping 56% of All Americans want the Decalogue influencing national law. Only A Minority of 20% Disagrees. See, two can play this quoting without context and peddling alarmist shit game.

So given this study is from 2005 anything a little more decade relevant?

[Ostroeuropa]

Which is where the rest of the polls come in.
It's clear that most muslims think that homophobia, misogyny etc, are part of the principles of Islam.

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

I want people to accept that their culture cannot be tolerated and needs to be confronted, dissected, and reformed if they are going to continue to exist in western society, and that we should cease importing more of them until this process is significantly underway.

I want them to recognize that "It's just around 5-10%" is a shit argument, when that amounts to:

"So what if we've made it so 5-10% of the electorate are Westboro Baptists? That wont' change anything. Even though they tend to congregate in areas and do, in fact, swing seats."

[Zoice]

Which is where the rest of the polls come in.
It's clear that most muslims think that homophobia, misogyny etc, are part of the principles of Islam.

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

The point is that we should criticize homophobia, misogyny, etc. That's my point, at least.

[Geilinor]

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

I want people to accept that their culture cannot be tolerated and needs to be confronted, dissected, and reformed if they are going to continue to exist in western society, and that we should cease importing more of them until this process is significantly underway.

I want them to recognize that "It's just around 5-10%" is a shit argument, when that amounts to:

"So what if we've made it so 5-10% of the electorate are Westboro Baptists? That wont' change anything. Even though they tend to congregate in areas and do, in fact, swing seats."

10-15% of Americans are Trump supporters. Another 10-15% are religious fundies. What do we do about them?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I want people to accept that their culture cannot be tolerated and needs to be confronted, dissected, and reformed if they are going to continue to exist in western society, and that we should cease importing more of them until this process is significantly underway.

I want them to recognize that "It's just around 5-10%" is a shit argument, when that amounts to:

"So what if we've made it so 5-10% of the electorate are Westboro Baptists? That wont' change anything. Even though they tend to congregate in areas and do, in fact, swing seats."

10-15% of Americans are Trump supporters. Another 10-15% are religious fundies. What do we do about them?

I mean we could just ignore the problem. It worked wonders during the Gilded Age of the U.S presidency.

[Vassenor]

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

The point is that we should criticize homophobia, misogyny, etc. That's my point, at least.

Pretty sure we already do.

[Ostroeuropa]

I want people to accept that their culture cannot be tolerated and needs to be confronted, dissected, and reformed if they are going to continue to exist in western society, and that we should cease importing more of them until this process is significantly underway.

I want them to recognize that "It's just around 5-10%" is a shit argument, when that amounts to:

"So what if we've made it so 5-10% of the electorate are Westboro Baptists? That wont' change anything. Even though they tend to congregate in areas and do, in fact, swing seats."

10-15% of Americans are Trump supporters. Another 10-15% are religious fundies. What do we do about them?

The same thing the left wing has already been doing, confronting them and trying to minimize their power and impact on society while criticizing them and working to detoxify the culture, instead of tripping over ourselves to shield them from criticism and accusing people of racism.

"So what about all those other houses on fire that have fire trucks outside, trying to put them out. What about them HUH!?! Why are you so focused on this one that everyone seems to adamantly insist has a right to be on fire."

[Ostroeuropa]

The point is that we should criticize homophobia, misogyny, etc. That's my point, at least.

Pretty sure we already do.

Only when the progressive stack lines up with it.
case in point:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 57096.html

Labour panders to Islamic communities, Misogyny results.
I'm sure any day now there'll be action on this issue of institutional discrimination against women. We'll see the usual SJW crowd in full force, wont we.

[Geilinor]

10-15% of Americans are Trump supporters. Another 10-15% are religious fundies. What do we do about them?

The same thing the left wing has already been doing, confronting them and trying to minimize their power and impact on society while criticizing them and working to detoxify the culture, instead of tripping over ourselves to shield them from criticism and accusing people of racism.

"So what about all those other houses on fire that have fire trucks outside, trying to put them out. What about them HUH!?! Why are you so focused on this one that everyone seems to adamantly insist has a right to be on fire."

We should try to confront anyone who is being sexist, racist, or homophobic.

[Valystria]

Geillinor i know Muslims who do not adhere to that. Most Muslims reject violence and the actions of ISIS. Even Al-Qaeda wants nothing to do with them.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357

Half of Britain's Muslims having favourable views of ISIS.

What's your point? Do you want us to think that Muslims are evil?

Clearly. Or they wouldn't be making the backbone of every post go on about how we're implicitly supporting the oppression of minorities.

Are you going to provide any evidence disputing how the majority of Muslims support violence against adulterers, apostates, and gay people?

Are you going to provide evidence for how your support of a religion with those views isn't supporting that religion's views?

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17% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should strictly follow the Quran. 44% of Turkish Muslims believing laws should follow the principles of Islam. 44+17 = 61% wanting Islamic law.
That is a majority.

Strange because this study by Pew says but 12% of Muslim Turks want sharia to be their country's official law.

Where does your picture come from?

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/07/10/most-muslims-want-democracy-personal-freedoms-and-islam-in-political-life/

Your claims have been shown to be untrue. Now stop ignoring that the majority of Turkish Muslims want Islamic law.

As said, 61% of Turkish Muslims want Islamic law.

The study you are referring to clearly says 12% of Turkish Muslims want sharia to be the official law of the land. And then there are 61% who want Islamic law. The majority.

[Valystria]

The point is that we should criticize homophobia, misogyny, etc. That's my point, at least.

Pretty sure we already do.

No, you don't. You're criticizing people who are criticizing an organized ideology of homophobia and misogyny.

You are providing no evidence to demonstrate otherwise. You are merely ignoring evidence on the views and beliefs of that ideology's adherents, refusing to provide anything to refute that, and using ad hominems against anyone who disagrees with you.

[Ostroeuropa]

The same thing the left wing has already been doing, confronting them and trying to minimize their power and impact on society while criticizing them and working to detoxify the culture, instead of tripping over ourselves to shield them from criticism and accusing people of racism.

"So what about all those other houses on fire that have fire trucks outside, trying to put them out. What about them HUH!?! Why are you so focused on this one that everyone seems to adamantly insist has a right to be on fire."

We should try to confront anyone who is being sexist, racist, or homophobic.

I agree. Where have I suggested otherwise?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Geillinor i know Muslims who do not adhere to that. Most Muslims reject violence and the actions of ISIS. Even Al-Qaeda wants nothing to do with them.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357

Half of Britain's Muslims having favourable views of ISIS.

Woop woop, a Daily Mirror poll. Zero sources, zero review, we don't even know who they grabbed off the street and got confronted by the random polling, how do people even state with confidence that "It found that 3% have a “very favourable view”, up 1% from a year ago – suggesting that around half of Britain's three million Muslims could be ISIS sympathisers."?
Is it because it confirms their point of view?

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357

Half of Britain's Muslims having favourable views of ISIS.

Woop woop, a Daily Mirror poll. Zero sources, zero review, we don't even know who they grabbed off the street and got confronted by the random polling, how do people even state with confidence that "It found that 3% have a “very favourable view”, up 1% from a year ago – suggesting that around half of Britain's three million Muslims could be ISIS sympathisers."?
Is it because it confirms their point of view?

The leaders of Islamic communities didn't bother denying the empirical evidence, they said "wahh, the tories are turning us into terrorist sympathizers.".
Why are you?

[Zoice]

10-15% of Americans are Trump supporters. Another 10-15% are religious fundies. What do we do about them?

The same thing the left wing has already been doing, confronting them and trying to minimize their power and impact on society while criticizing them and working to detoxify the culture, instead of tripping over ourselves to shield them from criticism and accusing people of racism.

"So what about all those other houses on fire that have fire trucks outside, trying to put them out. What about them HUH!?! Why are you so focused on this one that everyone seems to adamantly insist has a right to be on fire."

The problem is when people start trying to say that because of the general popularity of bigotry and bad stuff, therefore we should ban Muslims or be wary of them. That doesn't help the problem.

[Vassenor]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357

Half of Britain's Muslims having favourable views of ISIS.

Woop woop, a Daily Mirror poll. Zero sources, zero review, we don't even know who they grabbed off the street and got confronted by the random polling, how do people even state with confidence that "It found that 3% have a “very favourable view”, up 1% from a year ago – suggesting that around half of Britain's three million Muslims could be ISIS sympathisers."?
Is it because it confirms their point of view?

Isn't this the same poll that actually asked "do you support people going to fight in Syria?" Without specifying whether they meant fighting for or against ISIS?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Woop woop, a Daily Mirror poll. Zero sources, zero review, we don't even know who they grabbed off the street and got confronted by the random polling, how do people even state with confidence that "It found that 3% have a “very favourable view”, up 1% from a year ago – suggesting that around half of Britain's three million Muslims could be ISIS sympathisers."?
Is it because it confirms their point of view?

The leaders of Islamic communities didn't bother denying the empirical evidence, they said "wahh, the tories are turning us into terrorists.".
Why are you?

Why should I ever care about what a Imam somewhere in England may or may not have said unless it was actually illegal? What I see is consistent measures to bend opinion back to 1933.