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Am I Right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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22%
Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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6%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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26%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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40%
JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Total votes : 724

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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:07 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The end result is hypothetically the same: loss of liberty.

Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.


You miss the point where we don't give a flying fuck about the rest of the world and what works for them.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Why do I feel like Freedom is actually some kind of mixed beverage here...


If and when I start making my own mead I'm totally gonna label it Freedom.

Liberty Prime approves.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:08 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.


You miss the point where we don't give a flying fuck about the rest of the world and what works for them.

I miss the days when we actually took good ideas from other countries.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The end result is hypothetically the same: loss of liberty.

Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.

In theory, you could take away singular freedoms while keeping the rest, and claim to still be free, but ideally we should not sacrifice any liberties.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Most places don't let drunk people decide policy. It makes them too emotional. :P


Clearly, we should use teenagers instead. Who as we all know are a well of emotional stability.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If and when I start making my own mead I'm totally gonna label it Freedom.


Extra points if you can make it ring whenever the cap is removed.

Ring? I want to hear a fire cracker.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
You miss the point where we don't give a flying fuck about the rest of the world and what works for them.

I miss the days when we actually took good ideas from other countries.

Let us know when they start having them again :^]
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.

In theory, you could take away singular freedoms while keeping the rest, and claim to still be free, but ideally we should not sacrifice any liberties.

Unlimited freedom can't exist once you have more than 1 person.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.

In theory, you could take away singular freedoms while keeping the rest, and claim to still be free, but ideally we should not sacrifice any liberties.


Winner winner right here^

I want all the freedoms personally.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:10 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I miss the days when we actually took good ideas from other countries.

Let us know when they start having them again :^]

Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:11 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Clearly, we should use teenagers instead. Who as we all know are a well of emotional stability.


It's almost like you have no conception of context. But you keep doing you.

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Postby Wysten » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Let us know when they start having them again :^]

Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.

Funny, I made a joke about something like this happening.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Let us know when they start having them again :^]

Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.

I was mostly joking. But simply because America has some issues, other nations don’t automatically gain some moral high ground. I think we could learn from them on some areas. I just don’t think gun control is one of them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Let us know when they start having them again :^]

Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.


le daily reminder that we should end the drug war and let people who are in on non-violent drug offenses out with clean records
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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:14 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Clearly, we should use teenagers instead. Who as we all know are a well of emotional stability.


It's almost like you have no conception of context. But you keep doing you.


Hard to judge context when ones opponent makes about as much logical sense as Gauther when not drinking. But you keep doing you.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.


le daily reminder that we should end the drug war and let people who are in on non-violent drug offenses out with clean records


^ This.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Now instead we just close our ears and pretend we're still number one in everything except incarcerated citizens.


le daily reminder that we should end the drug war and let people who are in on non-violent drug offenses out with clean records

I'm am heartened that we can agree on something that should be fucking obvious to anyone who gives a damn.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:17 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Hard to judge context when ones opponent makes about as much logical sense as Gauther when not drinking. But you keep doing you.


You're a lot of fun.

Ask WRA if he understood the emotion remark.

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Paddy O Fernature
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:18 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Hard to judge context when ones opponent makes about as much logical sense as Gauther when not drinking. But you keep doing you.


You're a lot of fun.

Ask WRA if he understood the emotion remark.


I could be more fun, if you would only let me in you magnificent bastard.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:22 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You're a lot of fun.

Ask WRA if he understood the emotion remark.


I could be more fun, if you would only let me in you magnificent bastard.


He'll tell you if he wants you to know. I'm not the type to spread things......

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 pm

Obama DOJ Forced FBI To Delete 500,000 Fugitives From Background Check Database

The Justice Department under Barack Obama directed the FBI to drop more than 500,000 names of fugitives with outstanding arrest warrants from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, acting FBI deputy director David Bowdich testified Wednesday.......

According to The Washington Post, the FBI considered any person with an outstanding arrest warrant to be a fugitive. On the other hand, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defined a fugitive as someone who has an outstanding arrest warrant and has crossed state lines.

That disagreement was settled at the end of Obama’s second term, when the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel sided with the ATF’s interpretation. Under President Donald Trump, the DOJ defined a fugitive as a person who went to another state to dodge criminal prosecution or evade giving testimony in criminal court, and implemented the Office of Legal Counsel’s decision. The decision meant that around half a million fugitives were removed from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:13 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Obama DOJ Forced FBI To Delete 500,000 Fugitives From Background Check Database

The Justice Department under Barack Obama directed the FBI to drop more than 500,000 names of fugitives with outstanding arrest warrants from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, acting FBI deputy director David Bowdich testified Wednesday.......

According to The Washington Post, the FBI considered any person with an outstanding arrest warrant to be a fugitive. On the other hand, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defined a fugitive as someone who has an outstanding arrest warrant and has crossed state lines.

That disagreement was settled at the end of Obama’s second term, when the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel sided with the ATF’s interpretation. Under President Donald Trump, the DOJ defined a fugitive as a person who went to another state to dodge criminal prosecution or evade giving testimony in criminal court, and implemented the Office of Legal Counsel’s decision. The decision meant that around half a million fugitives were removed from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.


So....who has blood on their hands again?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The end result is hypothetically the same: loss of liberty.

Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.


None of those countries that you're probably thinking about has as much liberty as the US.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Crockerland » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The end result is hypothetically the same: loss of liberty.

Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.

"gun regulation" is such a vague and nebulous term that it renders that statement essentially meaningless.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote: Stop picking on kids.

What part of her protest sign makes sense, that'd pick on worthy in itself.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:01 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.


None of those countries that you're probably thinking about has as much liberty as the US.

You're right, many of those have more liberty than the US.

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Postby Albrenia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:02 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Strange how liberty is lost in the US without gun regulation and yet there are countries WITH gun regulation that maintain liberty.


None of those countries that you're probably thinking about has as much liberty as the US.


Baahahahahaha.

*cough*

That's largely a matter of opinion.

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