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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:05 pmby Sanctissima
Scandinavian Nations wrote:Sanctissima wrote:So, essentially, you're saying that half of the Bible is wrong?
Half of the Bible is included as a historical reference. Remember how in science class you sometimes were taught an obsolete concept first, then told it was proven wrong by someone later?
It's not "wrong", as in Christianity holds it to be a broadly genuine record of the events and laws of the pre-Christian era. The New Testament then records later events, in which the law established in the Old one is deprecated and replaced with new rules.
Not to be pushy, but do you have any theological evidence for this? As in, any Churches or higher-up members of a clergy who have actually said this?
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:07 pmby The Nuclear Fist
I was always taught that the OT wasn't wrong from a Biblical perspective, just obsolete. Don't get me wrong, every part of the Bible is almost completely wrong in every scientific and historical way, but internally everything before the demigod himself is just obsolete.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:08 pmby The Nuclear Fist
Vassenor wrote:Stellonia wrote:Umm... What does this have to do with the thread?
Something about migrants making Europe quote-unquote "immoral" just by existing.
Given that Kauthar seems to share a lot of the morals of radical islamists and islamofascists, I think his disagreements with them are mostly over minor details and semantics at this point.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:09 pmby Vassenor
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Vassenor wrote:Something about migrants making Europe quote-unquote "immoral" just by existing.
Given that Kauthar seems to share a lot of the morals of radical islamists and islamofascists, I think his disagreements with them are mostly over minor details and semantics at this point.
I think I'm really starting to get tired of how easily we can apply horseshoe theory to reality.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:10 pmby The Nuclear Fist
TheDrunkenLlamas wrote:The Nuclear Fist wrote:What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.
That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!
Obvious troll is obvious.
If you think I'm a troll instead of just being sarcastic, you should go ahead and report me, otherwise you're just trollnaming.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:42 pmby Grays Harbor
Kauthar wrote:Vassenor wrote:So Atheists and non-Christians cannot marry?
they shouldn't be allowed to.
Sorry. Marriage has been around a lot longer than the christian church.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:48 pmby Vassenor
Grays Harbor wrote:Kauthar wrote:they shouldn't be allowed to.
Sorry. Marriage has been around a lot longer than the christian church.
And the concept of marriage as we know it today has only really existed for the last couple of centuries.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:51 pmby Kauthar
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Vassenor wrote:Something about migrants making Europe quote-unquote "immoral" just by existing.
Given that Kauthar seems to share a lot of the morals of radical islamists and islamofascists, I think his disagreements with them are mostly over minor details and semantics at this point.
Nope. I don't support killing all non believers, i don't support oppressing women or killing sodomites either.
also I don't support the degeneracy of Islam in general.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:53 pmby Geilinor
Kauthar wrote:The Nuclear Fist wrote:Given that Kauthar seems to share a lot of the morals of radical islamists and islamofascists, I think his disagreements with them are mostly over minor details and semantics at this point.
Nope. I don't support killing all non believers, i don't support oppressing women or killing sodomites either.
Not all, but out of curiosity, how many?
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:54 pmby The Kievan People
Vassenor wrote:And Leviticus is the only bit that goes on about Homosexuality being a sin.
Noep.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:55 pmby Kauthar
Geilinor wrote:Kauthar wrote:Nope. I don't support killing all non believers, i don't support oppressing women or killing sodomites either.
Not all, but out of curiosity, how many?
How many what. I don't support killing any of them unless they've commit a crime worthy of death.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:59 pmby Agritum
The Kievan People wrote:Vassenor wrote:And Leviticus is the only bit that goes on about Homosexuality being a sin.
Noep.
... at least don't link to a site that attempts to confute said statement's interpretation.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:09 pmby The Kievan People
Since it is the
Skeptic's Annotated Bible you can hardly dismiss it is bible-thumper propaganda
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:14 pmby Vassenor
Well it is going on about how God makes gay people gay, which kind of defeats the "it's a willing sin" bit of the narrative.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:25 pmby The Kievan People
Vassenor wrote:Well it is going on about how God makes gay people gay, which kind of defeats the "it's a willing sin" bit of the narrative.
You should probably take this to the Christian thread.
I'll save you some time by saying this understanding of the nature of sin is basically cartoon Christianity.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:27 pmby Vassenor
The Kievan People wrote:Vassenor wrote:Well it is going on about how God makes gay people gay, which kind of defeats the "it's a willing sin" bit of the narrative.
You should probably take this to the Christian thread.
I'll save you some time by saying this understanding of the nature of sin is basically cartoon Christianity.
Yes, how dare I say that homosexuals should not be treated as subhumans.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:29 pmby The Nuclear Fist
Vassenor wrote:The Kievan People wrote:You should probably take this to the Christian thread.
I'll save you some time by saying this understanding of the nature of sin is basically cartoon Christianity.
Yes, how dare I say that homosexuals should not be treated as subhumans.
I don't think Kiev is a homophobe, I think he's saying your interpretation of Christian text is wrong and juvenile, and that a debate on the New Testament's take on homosexuality doesn't really belong in a thread about the migrant crisis in Europe.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:30 pmby The Kievan People
Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare I say that homosexuals should not be treated as subhumans.
No, thinking that asking how something can be sinful if god made it is a devastating argument. This is not a contradiction for actual Christians.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:32 pmby Vassenor
Pretty sure there's a difference between "this is a contradiction you should probably account for" and "this is a contradiction ergo your entire argument is invalid".
For the record, I was aiming for the former.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:34 pmby The Kievan People
Vassenor wrote:Pretty sure there's a difference between "this is a contradiction you should probably account for" and "this is a contradiction ergo your entire argument is invalid".
For the record, I was aiming for the former.
Yes, which is why I said take it to the Christian thread. The actual answers require delving into theology.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:34 pmby Vassenor
Either way, Matthew 7. Only God has the right to judge people for how they live their lives and if they have sinned.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:25 pmby Geilinor
Balkan Crusader wrote:Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare I say that homosexuals should not be treated as subhumans.
Yes, interesting how people like you do not stand against muslim radicals beating shit against gays. Yet fixised on Christians not being enough in line with you.
What we're doing is trying to paint you as hypocrites. The right-wing hated gay people until Muslim immigrants came around. In America, it still does.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:25 pmby Vassenor
Balkan Crusader wrote:Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare I say that homosexuals should not be treated as subhumans.
Yes, interesting how people like you do not stand against muslim radicals beating shit against gays. Yet fixised on Christians not being enough in line with you.
Please do not put words in my mouth.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:36 pmby Vassenor
Balkan Crusader wrote:Geilinor wrote:What we're doing is trying to paint you as hypocrites. The right-wing hated gay people until Muslim immigrants came around. In America, it still does.
Us as hypocrites? It is you that are making concessions to islamists radicals on expense of personall freedoms.
Now, many right-wingers may not be in favour of gay marriages, it is still far better off than supporting of killing them or banning their right on free speech. Not any right-wing movement supports its, or tried to lynch a gay person as showed in the video.
And if you cannot see the difference between supporting exterminating gay people because they are sodomites according to your muslims, and not wantin gay marriages. Than frankly it is not my or our problem because you guys have a twisted view of world. At least you should stop defending the muslim radicals.
You assume that supporting the right of people to come here means we support them doing things like that. We do not.
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Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:41 pmby Geilinor
Balkan Crusader wrote:Geilinor wrote:What we're doing is trying to paint you as hypocrites. The right-wing hated gay people until Muslim immigrants came around. In America, it still does.
Us as hypocrites? It is you that are making concessions to islamists radicals on expense of personall freedoms.
Now, many right-wingers may not be in favour of gay marriages, it is still far better off than supporting of killing them or banning their right on free speech. Not any right-wing movement supports its, or tried to lynch a gay person as showed in the video.
And if you cannot see the difference between supporting exterminating gay people because they are sodomites according to your muslims, and not wantin gay marriages. Than frankly it is not my or our problem because you guys have a twisted view of world. At least you should stop defending the muslim radicals.
I don't support making any concessions. I want real personal freedoms.
And
my Muslims? What do you mean by that?