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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:33 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kernen wrote:You are ruining a perfectly good suicide punch with your stupid fruit juices.

You pick your side of the divide, I will pick mine.

The military will pick your side. Those not wanting to be citizen in Trumplandia will be imprisioned.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:40 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You pick your side of the divide, I will pick mine.

The military will pick your side. Those not wanting to be citizen in Trumplandia will be imprisioned.

I have flown trump airlines, it wasn't so great.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:10 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:The military will pick your side. Those not wanting to be citizen in Trumplandia will be imprisioned.

I have flown trump airlines, it wasn't so great.

Well now it is mandatory.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:17 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I have flown trump airlines, it wasn't so great.

Well now it is mandatory.

If that doesnt teach them, I dont know what will.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:04 pm

I think we all know the future of a divided America
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:47 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here. And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.


How is my sig misogynist if it is the truth? It is even in the Bible.

More women generally speaking, hate the men who worship the ground they walk on- than the men who're willing to stand their own ground and won't retreat from verbal conflict. Bravery is of course going to be more admired than cowardice, which can take many different forms that people don't realize.

No man should want to be or remain a simp.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:53 am

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You're already going to die. Unless you figured out the secret to immortality while we weren't looking?


Dying unnaturally. Millions dying due to old age is not the danger here


Why not? Again, you are going to die. All you have in life is the way you live it. What's the point of avoiding death if by doing so you are locked into a life you hate and then having lived a life you utterly loath, die anyway?
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:54 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Radictistan wrote:Who else is going to do it? The Democrats have neither the organization nor the cunning to make their own.


California is a de facto one-party state due to democratic super majority


That’s because the Democratic party conforms to their umbrella of political views and the fact that other parties don’t have the power to break apart the de-facto two-party system enacted in America.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:57 am

Saiwania wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here. And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.


How is my sig misogynist if it is the truth? It is even in the Bible.

More women generally speaking, hate the men who worship the ground they walk on- than the men who're willing to stand their own ground and won't retreat from verbal conflict. Bravery is of course going to be more admired than cowardice, which can take many different forms that people don't realize.

No man should want to be or remain a simp.


You're assuming the Bible is true.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:02 am

Saiwania wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here. And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.


How is my sig misogynist if it is the truth? It is even in the Bible.

More women generally speaking, hate the men who worship the ground they walk on- than the men who're willing to stand their own ground and won't retreat from verbal conflict. Bravery is of course going to be more admired than cowardice, which can take many different forms that people don't realize.

No man should want to be or remain a simp.

I'm not sure what your notions of bravery are, but i'm certain they are far different than mine.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I strongly support impeachment morally, but to the republicans here,m would you launch a civil war if he was removed from office or lost 2020 to say Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Bernie, etc.?

I would support armed defense of president Trump against the democrat coup attempt if it comes to that.
It’s not going to.
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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:45 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:

I would support armed defense of president Trump against the democrat coup attempt if it comes to that.
It’s not going to.


the crazy thing is, the Democratic party rigged it's OWN democratic process to shove up Hillary Clinton and purposfully destroyed Bernie Sanders

Then, after that, they LITERALLY MADE BARRIERS TO KEEP BERNIE SUPPORTERS OUT

so to them I say, spare me your ambitions of "protecting our institutions"

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:46 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I would support armed defense of president Trump against the democrat coup attempt if it comes to that.
It’s not going to.


the crazy thing is, the Democratic party rigged it's OWN democratic process to shove up Hillary Clinton and purposfully destroyed Bernie Sanders

Then, after that, they LITERALLY MADE BARRIERS TO KEEP BERNIE SUPPORTERS OUT

so to them I say, spare me your ambitions of "protecting our institutions"

" The Truth is, Men are tired of liberty"- Benito Mussolini

Nobody’s ever wanted liberty in the first place, except as a cloak for what was good for them and their kin, personally.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:54 pm

>Go on NS
>Go on Murica thread
>See ppl
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>FML
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How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:56 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:>Go on NS
>Go on Murica thread
>See ppl
>Muhdictatorshiptotriggerthelibs.bmp
>FML


I would respecftully ask

if the Democratic Party was willing to violate their own process to establish a candidate, then shun members of the party whom disagreed(even if they were the majority) then, why should we trust that party with any sort of power when it has clearly been established that they have no vested interest in the "democratic" process?

and if they get into power, what is to suggest they would honor an election?
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:58 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:>Go on NS
>Go on Murica thread
>See ppl
>Muhdictatorshiptotriggerthelibs.bmp
>FML


I would respecftully ask

if the Democratic Party was willing to violate their own process to establish a candidate, then shun members of the party whom disagreed(even if they were the majority) then, why should we trust that party with any sort of power when it has clearly been establish that they have no vested interest in the "democratic" process?

and if they get into power, what is to suggest they would honor an election?

I mean, it’s pretty obvious they have no intention of honoring an election which Trump won.
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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:59 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
I would respecftully ask

if the Democratic Party was willing to violate their own process to establish a candidate, then shun members of the party whom disagreed(even if they were the majority) then, why should we trust that party with any sort of power when it has clearly been establish that they have no vested interest in the "democratic" process?

and if they get into power, what is to suggest they would honor an election?

I mean, it’s pretty obvious they have no intention of honoring an election which Trump won.


Obviously, I am just pointing out, given their actions, it seems their idea of "protecting american institutions" falls immediately on it's face.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Who am I kidding, I don't give two shits about the US.
And honestly, why should I?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:06 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:Who am I kidding, I don't give two shits about the US.
And honestly, why should I?


It's going to either fall into marxist authoritarianism(ala 1984) or collapse into anarchy anyway, just a matter of time.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Portals » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:15 pm

Rico Roca wrote:Let's say that in the future political freedom in the US just keeps deteriorating eventually becoming a hyper capitalist defacto Republican one party state with freedom of speech being abolished with widespread gerrymandering and voter suppression looking like Hungary or Turkey. Eventually half the country refuse to continue living under what's basically a dictatorship and both the Democratic and independent majority states secede into two new nations, one on the west coast and one in the east.

The western nation is made up of Washington, oregon, California, and Nevada while the North East manages to snag Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, West Virginia, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Maine.

What are the most likely names for the two new nations? Is there any chance that they could make a reconquest and what countries or organizations (e.g. the EU) are likely to recognize them. If they're able to successfully keep their independence and their revived democracies, what events are likely to play out in the following decades now that their neighbor will likely radicalize into full blown totalitarianism now no longer having a counterbalance.

I honestly don't know how this scenario would play out so that's why I'm asking. I also want to point out that this scenario is mostly a thought experiment and is at best an absolute worst case scenario. I'll be sure to post a follow up reverse scenario after this one.

Small follow up, does anything change in the North East if secession is limited to either the Great lakes or the Rust belt?



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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:19 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Who am I kidding, I don't give two shits about the US.
And honestly, why should I?


It's going to either fall into marxist authoritarianism(ala 1984) or collapse into anarchy anyway, just a matter of time.


Well, I'm European so I don't need to care. The only thing the US has going for it is a lot of soft power, a bloated military and that belief in "American exceptionalism."

Even croocked Hillary thinks the US is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hillary-c ... tionalism/

America will fall like all things, and the world shall carry on.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:20 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
It's going to either fall into marxist authoritarianism(ala 1984) or collapse into anarchy anyway, just a matter of time.


Well, I'm European so I don't need to care. The only thing the US has going for it is a lot of soft power, a bloated military and that belief in "American exceptionalism."

Even croocked Hillary thinks the US is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hillary-c ... tionalism/

America will fall like all things, and the world shall carry on.

where are you from?
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:33 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Well, I'm European so I don't need to care. The only thing the US has going for it is a lot of soft power, a bloated military and that belief in "American exceptionalism."

Even croocked Hillary thinks the US is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hillary-c ... tionalism/

America will fall like all things, and the world shall carry on.

where are you from?


Europe.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby San Montalbano » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:35 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:where are you from?


Europe.


I mean like what nation, not continent.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:44 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Europe.


I mean like what nation, not continent.


Why does it matter?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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