World Government

[Emergent Quality]

I think the UN ought to keep out of Somalia/Africa unless their help is "asked" for.
Organizations like this cost attention of the general populace, because they cost money.

[Sibirsky]

Are freedom from the oppression of Capitalism, Corporations, Fundementalists, Terrorism and terrorists, War, Poverty and more not free enough for you?

He wants the freedom to do useless things. To do what he wants, as he calls it.

Why? He doesn't have it now. The only way this is possible is through Anarchy, which could not be sustained without significant changes to Human nature.

You need to learn before you post. You have a very warped view of the world.

[M07H3R]

They can't 'ask' for them, the're busy fighting amongst each other for their warlords. We must show them how to help themselves, or it will only get worse there.

[Sibirsky]

Try telling your average Somalian that you would rather have freedom over security, and see where that gets you.

Those who would chose Security over Liberty, deserve neither Security nor Liberty

What Somalia thinks is irrelevant to me, because Somalia has never proven to be capable of self government, and as such has no credibility

in short, they deserve everything that is wrong with them

The People get the Government they deserve

They didn't get much of a chance, since they were raped and pillaged by money/power hungry imperialists.

ah the very Euro-Centric view that we are responsible for all the worlds ills, even to this day

Tell me, is eating albino's for their "magical powers" a western belief?
Cause in Zimbabwe it's the hippest trend man, and relatively new.

I read about that. Bizarre.

[Emergent Quality]

You need to learn before you post. You have a very warped view of the world.

You're supposed to say what he needs to learn.

[Emergent Quality]

They can't 'ask' for them, the're busy fighting amongst each other for their warlords. We must show them how to help themselves, or it will only get worse there.

I really don't think so. If you "show them how to help themselves", situation in member nations will get worse.

[Sibirsky]

Try telling your average Somalian that you would rather have freedom over security, and see where that gets you.

Those who would chose Security over Liberty, deserve neither Security nor Liberty

What Somalia thinks is irrelevant to me, because Somalia has never proven to be capable of self government, and as such has no credibility

in short, they deserve everything that is wrong with them

The People get the Government they deserve

They didn't get much of a chance, since they were raped and pillaged by money/power hungry imperialists.

ah the very Euro-Centric view that we are responsible for all the worlds ills, even to this day

Tell me, is eating albino's for their "magical powers" a western belief?
Cause in Zimbabwe it's the hippest trend man, and relatively new.

No, we're not responsible for many of their cultural problems (apart from those that came about by forcibly combining tribes in the 'scramble for Africa' of course). A world government, with its improvements in education could rid them of such nonsensical beliefs, however.

But many of the 1st and 2nd world nations did (and many still do) have a part to play in the troubles in Africa and other 3rd world nations.

You need to provide sources for your claims that a world government would improve education. How would this education system be funded? How would this education system get rid of cultural beliefs. How would this government prevent war?

[Sibirsky]

Tell me, is eating albino's for their "magical powers" a western belief?

Be fair. This sounds like a fairly standard hype. Westerners have had their share. They burned "witches" and the like.

I understand your concern

and in the context of this conversation, we are dealing with modern cultures

However, this is just a placeholder, the real issue for me. is that I don't need some far off place, telling me what I should and should not value. I value Liberty above Security, and till the end of my days I shall strive to live in a place which shares my values

and if none exist, then I am willing to fight to make one that does. Surely I am not alone in that struggle.

This is key. I value sovereignty above almost all else.

[Sibirsky]

They can't 'ask' for them, the're busy fighting amongst each other for their warlords. We must show them how to help themselves, or it will only get worse there.

It is none of our business.

[Emergent Quality]

How would this education system get rid of cultural beliefs?

I recommend allowing pure tyranny, sweeping away all institutions. Such freedom cannot be had with mere education. Reason is impossible. The barriers to be passed inorder to think are insurmountable. One needs spikes to the face. After a long time of warlord overthrowing and demanding the right to pick and choose their boogymen, they will emerge into nations capable of engaging in bullshit activism, like green peace or direct action. Just like the other children.

[Zot109land]

see to copenhagen its a catastrophe why would we be ruled as 1 people as we cant get something about climate

and not 1 human being can handle some much power (see what happened to hitler he was getting to powerfull and he went crazy)

[Miyager]

No. In fact, Humanity is corrupt. It must be destroyed.

[Emergent Quality]

see to copenhagen its a catastrophe why would we be ruled as 1 people as we cant get something about climate

The people can't even plan the economy to their own benefit, let alone to save themselves if it were necessary. This isn't the time for climate change talks.

Don't be silly. Hitler was already crazy. Hitler was not corrupted by power.
The UN would not become corrupt if it ran the world. The UN is already corrupt.
The UN has very few redeeming qualities to begin with. If we had any sense at all it would be shut down immediately. How can a global organization/government deal with world situations and prevent war, if nations will not even prevent war amongst their own people?

[Sibirsky]

see to copenhagen its a catastrophe why would we be ruled as 1 people as we cant get something about climate

The people can't even plan the economy to their own benefit, let alone to save themselves if it were necessary. This isn't the time for climate change talks.

Don't be silly. Hitler was already crazy. Hitler was not corrupted by power.
The UN would not become corrupt if it ran the world. The UN is already corrupt.

The economy is not supposed to be planned. That's why socialism fails.

[Zot109land]

see to copenhagen its a catastrophe why would we be ruled as 1 people as we cant get something about climate

The people can't even plan the economy to their own benefit, let alone to save themselves if it were necessary. This isn't the time for climate change talks.

Don't be silly. Hitler was always crazy.

the thing about copanhagen is just as a thing to show that were always going to be a stupid race of apes that indeed must be destroyed for the benefit for the other animals....

and about hitler...
in the bigining he was genuis but he coudent use his intelect for the good things (like winning the war without killing jews; holebis,....)
but he went crazier (everybody is crazy)

[Emergent Quality]

The economy is not supposed to be planned. That's why socialism fails.

You're absolutely right. Planning things never does any good. Only planlessness, randomness, chaos can bring prosperity. I don't know what came over me. Blindfold yourselves and run aimlessly at the enemy, my warriors! The invisible hand will guide us!

Capitain, Romulans at the rear. What are your orders? PLANLESSNESS.
Elder, the winters here are harsh. When do we harvest? When do we plant? PLANLESSNESSSSSS

Captain... Romulans at the rear. What are your orders? COMPETE AGAINST EACHOTHER.

[Sibirsky]

The economy is not supposed to be planned. That's why socialism fails.

You're absolutely right. Planning things never does any good. Only planlessness, randomness, chaos can bring prosperity. I don't know what came over me. Blindfold yourselves and run aimlessly at the enemy, my warriors!

Capitain, Romulans at the rear. What are your orders? PLANLESSNESS.

Did I say anything about war?

Of course I am right. The economy is too complex and sophisticated for people to plan it. That does not mean randomness and chaos. That's why the Soviet economy collapsed. That's why Cuba is poor. That's why North Korea is poor. The government is extremely inept at allocating resources (planning the economy), while the market uses price signals to allocate resources more efficiently.

[Emergent Quality]

The economy is too complex and sophisticated for people to plan it. That does not mean randomness and chaos.

My lord, the war is too complex and sophisticated to plan. Let our drafted, individual soldiers take their own initiative at the front. That doesn't mean randomness and chaos.

That's why the Soviet economy collapsed. That's why Cuba is poor. That's why North Korea is poor.

The Soviet Economy collapses because the people who ran it were incompetent. And Cuba/NK are a bit lacking in trade and resources.

The government is extremely inept at allocating resources (planning the economy), while the market uses price signals to allocate resources more efficiently.

No, I'd have to say you're inept. If the government is running the economy then it's a monopoly. It's got a good deal. It can then run the market to it's benefit. Not yours.

[Sibirsky]

The economy is too complex and sophisticated for people to plan it. That does not mean randomness and chaos.

My lord, the war is too complex and sophisticated to plan. Let our drafted, individual soldiers take their own initiative at the front. That doesn't mean randomness and chaos.

That's why the Soviet economy collapsed. That's why Cuba is poor. That's why North Korea is poor.

The Soviet Economy collapses because the people who ran it were incompetent. And Cuba/NK are a bit lacking in trade and resources.

The government is extremely inept at allocating resources (planning the economy), while the market uses price signals to allocate resources more efficiently.

No, I'd have to say you're inept. If the government is running the economy then it's a monopoly. It's got a good deal.

Again, did I say anything about war? You are being intentionally obtuse. Which is common in the big government crowd. Nobody is capable of planning an economy. That is why planned economies are all poorer than free economies. You cannot refute facts.

[Emergent Quality]

Which is common in the big government crowd.

I'm not in favour of big government.

Nobody is capable of planning an economy.

No one is capable of running the war, my lord! That's why we have generals.

That is why planned economies are all poorer than free economies.

No... it's because they were incompetent. Incompetent people running the government also shows that you're incompetent. Blame yourself. You talk about free market. Pressure deciding who runs the economy? It is impossible that you can choose who can run the economy better than pressure? Choose the people who run the economy. Run it yourself. Remain silent. Sssshhh... don't talk. Don't talk. Soviet Union is concentrating. You'll distract them. Soviet Union is better than you. Incompetent bureaucracy of fools running economy still better than competent person not running the economy. They are great. You are small.

[Sibirsky]

Which is common in the big government crowd.

I'm not in favour of big government.

Nobody is capable of planning an economy.

No one is capable of running the war, my lord! That's why we have generals.

That is why planned economies are all poorer than free economies.

No... it's because they were incompetent. Incompetent people running the government also shows that you're incompetent. Blame yourself. You talk about free market. Pressure deciding who runs the economy? It is impossible that you can choose who can run the economy better than pressure? Choose the people who run the economy. Run it yourself. Remain silent. sssshhh... don't talk. You'll distract them. Soviet Union is better than you. Incompetent bureaucracy of fools running economy still better than competent person not running the economy. They are great. You are small.

I know it is extremely difficult for you to understand. I will try louder
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WAR

You favor a planned economy. Planned economy=big government.

[Emergent Quality]

You favor a planned economy. Planned economy=big government.

No, you don't need a big government for a planned economy anymore than you need multinational corporations to run a "free market" economy.
Well-trained, competent, tightly-knit groups of soldiers can take over much of what would be served by those of higher rank. The need for oversight disappears as we strive to take over the functions of our superiors.

[M07H3R]

You need to provide sources for your claims that a world government would improve education. How would this education system be funded? How would this education system get rid of cultural beliefs. How would this government prevent war?

1) With taxes.
2) Advancement of knowledge would rid the world of many/most superstitions within a few generations. Greater movement around the world and interaction between different cultures would further remove distinctions.
3) Not entirely (insurgencies would still continue, at least at first). However, war between nations would be non-existant, and the methods for dealing with terrorism would be standard and more eaily implemented right across the globe.

[Urgolon]

No, because there would be war when the crazy left-wing countries united with the crazy right-wing countries.

[Buffett and Colbert]

So long as I could be leader.