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Postby Caninope » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:01 pm

Shejop wrote:Every single war in history is stupid. The deaths of thousands and in later wars, millions of people is stupid.

So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?
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Postby Bontivate » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:06 pm

Caninope wrote:
Shejop wrote:Every single war in history is stupid. The deaths of thousands and in later wars, millions of people is stupid.

So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?


What are causes that would justify war?
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Postby Wanderjar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:06 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Fedeledland wrote:Uh, no. Most of them were the US making stupid assumptions/taking accidents as attacks in order to gain an excuse to senselessly steal land.

The others are "I DONT LIEK UR GOVERNMENT SO I MAEK UR PPL SUFFAR HAHAHA".


You need to go back to school and pay attention in class this time, so that you actually learn some history, if you think the Spanish-American War was an accident, the ARW was about tea stamps, and the Quasi-War was a raspberry to France.


The American Revolution was fought to enable American merchants the ability to not only sell commodities to any buyer they wanted, but also to produce finished goods for sale at profit to any buyer they wanted. The first point had been largely done until about 1715 when Britain cracked down on the under ground trade with other nations, particularly the Dutch Republic. A lot of money was up for grabs from the American merchant class, and mercantilism stood in their way. So they made up a lot of nonsense about their rights being infringed and over taxation (to provide security the colonists wanted from France, yet didn't want to have to pay for) to whip the people into a frenzy. It was basically the world's first capitalist revolution.
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Postby Shejop » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:09 pm

Caninope wrote:
Shejop wrote:Every single war in history is stupid. The deaths of thousands and in later wars, millions of people is stupid.

So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?

Almost wars were cause in someway or an other by wars before it, so the worst wars would never have taken place if just just one or two wars before it never happened.

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Postby Bontivate » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:09 pm

Shejop wrote:
Caninope wrote:So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?

Almost wars were cause in someway or an other by wars before it, so the worst wars would never have taken place if just just one or two wars before it never happened.


Why did those original one or two wars occur?
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Postby Central Federation » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:10 pm

The stupidest war in history is the WAR ON DRUGS. The USA and much of the West has spent hundreds of billions of dollars if not over a trillion dollars fighting a war on drugs in the past 50 years. Its a war we will not win. Most people's lives do not live up to their dreams, so they get high or low depending. With such high demand domestically, how would we win such a war? Legalize drugs, regulate them for purity, give citizens real and accurate information so that they can make informed choices about the risks and then tax the products. Any young persons reading this post should be aware that until laws are changed there are two types of drugs in this country, those that are legal and those that are illegal. But keep in mind that both types can be equally dangerous.

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Postby Wanderjar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:11 pm

Shejop wrote:
Caninope wrote:So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?

Almost wars were cause in someway or an other by wars before it, so the worst wars would never have taken place if just just one or two wars before it never happened.


Well, I guess you could say that had the North German Confederation/Prussia not implemented the horrible reparations on France in 1871 at Versailles, that France wouldn't have done the same to Germany in 1919, which would have negated the reason for Hitler coming to power. But who knows, its conjecture.
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Postby Caninope » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:11 pm

Bontivate wrote:
Caninope wrote:So there are no causes that justify fighting a war?


What are causes that would justify war?

Retribution, Independence, Freedom...
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Postby Bontivate » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:13 pm

Caninope wrote:
Bontivate wrote:
What are causes that would justify war?

Retribution, Independence, Freedom...


Why would retribution, independence and freedom justify war?
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Postby Wanderjar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:13 pm

Central Federation wrote:The stupidest war in history is the WAR ON DRUGS. The USA and much of the West has spent hundreds of billions of dollars if not over a trillion dollars fighting a war on drugs in the past 50 years. Its a war we will not win. Most people's lives do not live up to their dreams, so they get high or low depending. With such high demand domestically, how would we win such a war? Legalize drugs, regulate them for purity, give citizens real and accurate information so that they can make informed choices about the risks and then tax the products. Any young persons reading this post should be aware that until laws are changed there are two types of drugs in this country, those that are legal and those that are illegal. But keep in mind that both types can be equally dangerous.


Do I like the idea of drug usage? Not in the slightest. But it ain't my place to tell a grown man/woman how they can treat their bodies. If someone wants to kill themselves let 'em. Its their choice.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:15 pm

Wanderjar wrote:The American Revolution was fought to enable American merchants the ability to not only sell commodities to any buyer they wanted, but also to produce finished goods for sale at profit to any buyer they wanted. The first point had been largely done until about 1715 when Britain cracked down on the under ground trade with other nations, particularly the Dutch Republic. A lot of money was up for grabs from the American merchant class, and mercantilism stood in their way. So they made up a lot of nonsense about their rights being infringed and over taxation (to provide security the colonists wanted from France, yet didn't want to have to pay for) to whip the people into a frenzy. It was basically the world's first capitalist revolution.


Yes that was a part of the origins of the war - not the entirety, but an important part. While we could argue over the details, I dod think we can agree that Fedeledland's characterization of it as stupid was unfounded.
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The Stupidest War in History?

Postby Billys NWO » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:16 pm

well if you want the best and most accurate answer to this question. every war since the first man, has been retarted. most of them have had good intentions, but the result has always been the same. DEATH!!! now dont get it wrong. some particualy those who wanted to cause death and destruction upon their own fellow countrymen deserved everything they had coming. its just sad other inicent people died for that justice to happend.but, thats just my view, and with that i pass...... :bow:

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Postby Kommandoria » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:17 pm

Metanih wrote:Children's Crusade was pretty stupid.

That was, indeed, the most ridiculously idiotic war ever concocted by human minds. It shames me to even classify it as a war.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:20 pm

Central Federation wrote:The stupidest war in history is the WAR ON DRUGS. The USA and much of the West has spent hundreds of billions of dollars if not over a trillion dollars fighting a war on drugs in the past 50 years. Its a war we will not win. Most people's lives do not live up to their dreams, so they get high or low depending. With such high demand domestically, how would we win such a war? Legalize drugs, regulate them for purity, give citizens real and accurate information so that they can make informed choices about the risks and then tax the products. Any young persons reading this post should be aware that until laws are changed there are two types of drugs in this country, those that are legal and those that are illegal. But keep in mind that both types can be equally dangerous.


In the sense that the WoD is actually a war, the WoT is equally stupid. it makes as much senses as a war on "Fire and Movement".
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Postby Wanderjar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:21 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Wanderjar wrote:The American Revolution was fought to enable American merchants the ability to not only sell commodities to any buyer they wanted, but also to produce finished goods for sale at profit to any buyer they wanted. The first point had been largely done until about 1715 when Britain cracked down on the under ground trade with other nations, particularly the Dutch Republic. A lot of money was up for grabs from the American merchant class, and mercantilism stood in their way. So they made up a lot of nonsense about their rights being infringed and over taxation (to provide security the colonists wanted from France, yet didn't want to have to pay for) to whip the people into a frenzy. It was basically the world's first capitalist revolution.


Yes that was a part of the origins of the war - not the entirety, but an important part. While we could argue over the details, I dod think we can agree that Fedeledland's characterization of it as stupid was unfounded.


I'm curious what you would say the other causes were? I'm not being snarky, just curious! lol

(Keep in mind I do recognise there were other subcauses, my statement was more what I felt the political leaders of the revolution were aiming for)
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:21 pm

Kommandoria wrote:
Metanih wrote:Children's Crusade was pretty stupid.

That was, indeed, the most ridiculously idiotic war ever concocted by human minds. It shames me to even classify it as a war.

It shames anybody who classifies it as a war, since there was no fighting. Unless you count the potential enslavement of children. Which may not have even happened.
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Postby Caninope » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:24 pm

Bontivate wrote:
Caninope wrote:Retribution, Independence, Freedom...


Why would retribution, independence and freedom justify war?

I personally think they can justify war. If you disagree, then I doubt I'll be able to convince you otherwise.
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Postby Bontivate » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:26 pm

Caninope wrote:
Bontivate wrote:
Why would retribution, independence and freedom justify war?

I personally think they can justify war. If you disagree, then I doubt I'll be able to convince you otherwise.


I never said I disagreed. All I asked was, why would they justify war? People's thoughts occur in worlds. Just type out the words that yer brain uses when you think about why they would rationalize war.
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Postby Caninope » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:29 pm

Bontivate wrote:
Caninope wrote:I personally think they can justify war. If you disagree, then I doubt I'll be able to convince you otherwise.


I never said I disagreed. All I asked was, why would they justify war? People's thoughts occur in worlds. Just type out the words that yer brain uses when you think about why they would rationalize war.

1. I doubt you meant to sound patronizing, but it's coming off that way.
2. It's a moral thing. I think independence and freedom can be worth fighting for.
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Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Bontivate » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:32 pm

Caninope wrote:
Bontivate wrote:
I never said I disagreed. All I asked was, why would they justify war? People's thoughts occur in worlds. Just type out the words that yer brain uses when you think about why they would rationalize war.

1. I doubt you meant to sound patronizing, but it's coming off that way.
2. It's a moral thing. I think independence and freedom can be worth fighting for.


I actually agree with you, so I didn't mean to sound patronizing and I apologize for that. Independence and freedom are worth fighting for. However, back to the question.

Why are they worth fighting for? What makes them so important?
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:42 pm

Wanderjar wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Yes that was a part of the origins of the war - not the entirety, but an important part. While we could argue over the details, I dod think we can agree that Fedeledland's characterization of it as stupid was unfounded.


I'm curious what you would say the other causes were? I'm not being snarky, just curious! lol

(Keep in mind I do recognise there were other subcauses, my statement was more what I felt the political leaders of the revolution were aiming for)


The Proclamation of 1763
The American Enlightenment and the rise of Republicanism
The infuance of dissenting churches
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Postby Britennene » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:45 pm

WW1, WW2 or Vietnam.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:53 pm

Britennene wrote:WW1, WW2 or Vietnam.

WW2 was in NO WAY stupid.
Vietnam? Yes, but you give it too much credit putting it on this list.
WW1 I agree

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Postby Wanderjar » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:54 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Wanderjar wrote:
I'm curious what you would say the other causes were? I'm not being snarky, just curious! lol

(Keep in mind I do recognise there were other subcauses, my statement was more what I felt the political leaders of the revolution were aiming for)


The Proclamation of 1763
The American Enlightenment and the rise of Republicanism
The infuance of dissenting churches


I don't really think that the churches one had that big of an impact, since religious matters were really never affected by the British, and many of the enlightenment thinkers of America were actually not particularly keen on independence. Bejamin Franklin for example was not particularly thrilled about the war, in fact I recall reading he was saddened by it, though this may have been because his son was a colonial governor. Republican sentiment seems to have had little impact on the rhetoric of the times until the war had been well under way.

I will conceed that you are right about the first point, however. I hadn't recalled it, though in a way it does play into my comments on the British restriction on American economic freedom. Individuals wanted to go west to create land estates and the British denied them that. One of the biggest creators of wealth in the US was its vast store of land ownership.
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Postby Odins Scandinavia » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:57 pm

Episarta wrote:Hm, all this talk about stupid wars and how WWI is usually considered the dumbest (at least by the majority of posters so far) has gotten me in the mood for a third world war. Why stop at two? If we are going to go about murdering everyone is vast swathes over petty differences, we might as well go all out.


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Kim Jong-Il dying actually may set the stage for ww3, if his runt invades the south, causing China and SE asia Vs. America and allies.
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