Grave_n_idle wrote:
So, the Mormons are also right?
Yes.
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by RightLeaningChristians » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:05 pm
by Sdaeriji » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:08 pm
by Free Soviets » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 pm
Sdaeriji wrote:I don't understand why using the Bible for moral guidance has to be an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, I get my morals from the Bible. I don't get ALL my morals from the Bible, and I don't take ALL of the morals from the Bible either. I do not understand the insistance that, for example, if I believe that the parable of the Good Samaritan is a good moral guideline, then I must also accept all of the unsavory and anachronistic morals demanded by Leviticus.
by Pope Joan » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:13 pm
Pope Joan wrote:I try to be selective.
The OT parts about wiping out entire villages, including families and even livestock, I ignore.
Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, in which he says inter alia that we should love our enemies, turn the other cheek, repay evil with kindness and so on...
my fellow believers and I try to follow that as closely as we can.
by Blouman Empire » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:13 pm
by Pope Joan » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:14 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Pope Joan wrote:I try to be selective.
The OT parts about wiping out entire villages, including families and even livestock, I ignore.
Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, in which he says inter alia that we should love our enemies, turn the other cheek, repay evil with kindness and so on...
my fellow believers and I try to follow that as closely as we can.
You must be the Mennonite. (I know we've got one, but can never remember who).
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:15 pm
Blouman Empire wrote:
Luke 14:26 "Those who come to me cannot be my disciples unless they love me more than they love father and mother, wife and children, brothers ans sisters and themselves as well".
Other posters have already addressed this and as I say doesn't say you must hate your family.
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:20 pm
Pope Joan wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Pope Joan wrote:I try to be selective.
The OT parts about wiping out entire villages, including families and even livestock, I ignore.
Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, in which he says inter alia that we should love our enemies, turn the other cheek, repay evil with kindness and so on...
my fellow believers and I try to follow that as closely as we can.
You must be the Mennonite. (I know we've got one, but can never remember who).
Yep, that's me.
Holding down my one percent of the distribution of opinion in a any sample.
by Blouman Empire » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:20 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Luke 14:26 "Those who come to me cannot be my disciples unless they love me more than they love father and mother, wife and children, brothers ans sisters and themselves as well".
Other posters have already addressed this and as I say doesn't say you must hate your family.
Other posters addressed Matthew.
The difference between Matthew and Luke is that Luke says 'hate'. He doesn't equivocate.
by The Deus Corporation » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:08 am
Blouman Empire wrote:
Luke 14:26 "Those who come to me cannot be my disciples unless they love me more than they love father and mother, wife and children, brothers ans sisters and themselves as well".
Other posters have already addressed this and as I say doesn't say you must hate your family.
by Cabra West » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:12 am
Sdaeriji wrote:I don't understand why using the Bible for moral guidance has to be an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, I get my morals from the Bible. I don't get ALL my morals from the Bible, and I don't take ALL of the morals from the Bible either. I do not understand the insistance that, for example, if I believe that the parable of the Good Samaritan is a good moral guideline, then I must also accept all of the unsavory and anachronistic morals demanded by Leviticus.
by Blouman Empire » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:15 am
The Deus Corporation wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Luke 14:26 "Those who come to me cannot be my disciples unless they love me more than they love father and mother, wife and children, brothers ans sisters and themselves as well".
Other posters have already addressed this and as I say doesn't say you must hate your family.
Different translations say different things but they all mean the same thing.
by Skibereen » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:22 am
Blouman Empire wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:
Luke 14:26 "Those who come to me cannot be my disciples unless they love me more than they love father and mother, wife and children, brothers ans sisters and themselves as well".
Other posters have already addressed this and as I say doesn't say you must hate your family.
Other posters addressed Matthew.
The difference between Matthew and Luke is that Luke says 'hate'. He doesn't equivocate.
Well my Luke didn't but it is talking about the same thing.
The hate not doesn't make sense there must be more to it, hate not X but Y or something.
by ChengISao » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:31 am
by Blouman Empire » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:32 am
ChengISao wrote:The bible was written by man...not god...enough said? Why they would listen to man instead of their god is beyond me.
by The Abrahamic god » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:38 am
The Deus Corporation wrote:If you read the bible then you will clearly see that if people actually got thair morals from it....
Well to put it simply the world would be more fu*ked up than it already is.
I'd like to hear what all of you have to say on this topic.
by Tekania » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:01 am
by Risottia » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:09 am
The Deus Corporation wrote:If you read the bible then you will clearly see that if people actually got thair morals from it....
Well to put it simply the world would be more fu*ked up than it already is.
by Tekania » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:09 am
Grave_n_idle wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:The Deus Corporation wrote:
You mean the hate your family thing:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. "
Matthew 10:34-37
That's not telling you to hate your own family.
Luke 14:26 "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. "
by LOL ANARCHY NUBZ » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:12 am
Tekania wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:Blouman Empire wrote:The Deus Corporation wrote:
You mean the hate your family thing:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. "
Matthew 10:34-37
That's not telling you to hate your own family.
Luke 14:26 "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. "
Except, it's not actually "hate" as we think of the word... More of an idiom of "put aside"... that is a showing of precedence towards Christ.
by Bottle » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:26 am
Sdaeriji wrote:I don't understand why using the Bible for moral guidance has to be an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, I get my morals from the Bible. I don't get ALL my morals from the Bible, and I don't take ALL of the morals from the Bible either. I do not understand the insistance that, for example, if I believe that the parable of the Good Samaritan is a good moral guideline, then I must also accept all of the unsavory and anachronistic morals demanded by Leviticus.
by Neo Art » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:05 am
Bottle wrote:Sdaeriji wrote:I don't understand why using the Bible for moral guidance has to be an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, I get my morals from the Bible. I don't get ALL my morals from the Bible, and I don't take ALL of the morals from the Bible either. I do not understand the insistance that, for example, if I believe that the parable of the Good Samaritan is a good moral guideline, then I must also accept all of the unsavory and anachronistic morals demanded by Leviticus.
Sounds like you don't get your morals from the Bible at all. You pick and choose which parts of the Bible you're going to use as a blueprint based on...your values. Your moral sense. Your conscience. Your reason.
You get your morals from the same place as everybody else: from a combination of the culture in which you were raised, the values you were taught as you grew, and your own experiences and reason combining to create your own individual moral judgment.
by The Ahemalt Outcasts » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:16 am
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