Which God Is The Most Merciful?

[DutchFormosa]

I unironically thought yes when I was Christian. If we both accepted God, we'd both get into Heaven, regardless of our earthly actions. Sola fide

That is kinda not how that works. Last I checked you had to not do the other sins

That's not how I was raised

Also, even if that were the case, why would God even give people the ability to kill people or not follow God? It'd be much simpler that way instead of chucking innocent people into Hell

[Armeriea]

That is kinda not how that works. Last I checked you had to not do the other sins

That's not how I was raised

Also, even if that were the case, why would God even give people the ability to kill people or not follow God? It'd be much simpler that way instead of chucking innocent people into Hell

So you don’t want free will I gather? Might as well become a robot for science at this point

And how you were raised doesn’t really matter here. The facts are the facts

[Jolthig]

That's not how I was raised

Also, even if that were the case, why would God even give people the ability to kill people or not follow God? It'd be much simpler that way instead of chucking innocent people into Hell

So you don’t want free will I gather? Might as well become a robot for science at this point

I don't believe in free will anyway. Our wills are already subject to our circumstances as it is. It just makes the idea of heaven and hell even more absurd on a metaphysical scale.

[DutchFormosa]

So you don’t want free will I gather? Might as well become a robot for science at this point

If it made us unable to harm others, yes I wouldn't mind having no "free will"

And how you were raised doesn’t really matter here. The facts are the facts

Your facts aren't/weren't my facts

[Armeriea]

So you don’t want free will I gather? Might as well become a robot for science at this point

If it made us unable to harm others, yes I wouldn't mind having no "free will"

And how you were raised doesn’t really matter here. The facts are the facts

Your facts aren't/weren't my facts

My facts are the bibles facts. Clearly your parents had reasons to want you to just believe and think that enough

[DutchFormosa]

My facts are the bibles facts. Clearly your parents had reasons to want you to just believe and think that enough

I went to a Christian private school for most of my life. If they wanted me to believe something else, they would've done that

You do also know there isn't one interpretation of the Bible, right?

[Armeriea]

My facts are the bibles facts. Clearly your parents had reasons to want you to just believe and think that enough

I went to a Christian private school for most of my life. If they wanted me to believe something else, they would've done that

You do also know there isn't one interpretation of the Bible, right?

Yes I do but “you can be an evil man, kill, rape, and torture, however since you think god exists, you’ll go to heaven.” Is not one I’m aware of

[DutchFormosa]

I went to a Christian private school for most of my life. If they wanted me to believe something else, they would've done that

You do also know there isn't one interpretation of the Bible, right?

Yes I do but “you can be an evil man, kill, rape, and torture, however since you think god exists, you’ll go to heaven.” Is not one I’m aware of

I mean, it's the one that made the most sense if God were really merciful, but I digress

[Armeriea]

Yes I do but “you can be an evil man, kill, rape, and torture, however since you think god exists, you’ll go to heaven.” Is not one I’m aware of

I mean, it's the one that made the most sense if God were really merciful, but I digress

Sounds like you just want to sin without consequence but sure.

[DutchFormosa]

I mean, it's the one that made the most sense if God were really merciful, but I digress

Sounds like you just want to sin without consequence but sure.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying sin as a concept is stupid. People who don't believe in God and people who murder shouldn't both go to Hell just because they're both "sins". And also that people also shouldn't be suffering at all, if God was supposed to be merciful. If God wanted to punish somebody that did something objectively bad, such as rape, torture and murder, that's not really an issue to me. But the fact that someone who did nothing wrong aside from not believing in God should be punished for it, that's where I draw the line. If the God I'm supposed to believe in allows horrible things to happen but tries to save face by saying "well, free will", then that's not one I want to believe in

[Stachelland]

Which god is the most merciful? Whichever one or many that allegedly exist I suppose.

[Direnne]

what which?, only 1, God.

[Hirota]

It's not a matter of which god is merciful, but the question should be, what is mercy?

Oh I had that queued up as another issue that needed clarification. A lot of vagueness in this thread.

[Unogonduria]

Sounds like you just want to sin without consequence but sure.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying sin as a concept is stupid. People who don't believe in God and people who murder shouldn't both go to Hell just because they're both "sins". And also that people also shouldn't be suffering at all, if God was supposed to be merciful. If God wanted to punish somebody that did something objectively bad, such as rape, torture and murder, that's not really an issue to me. But the fact that someone who did nothing wrong aside from not believing in God should be punished for it, that's where I draw the line. If the God I'm supposed to believe in allows horrible things to happen but tries to save face by saying "well, free will", then that's not one I want to believe in

No. From sufferring you can get very valuable experience that you wouldn't truly grasp otherwise. God is not some cosmic vending machine that can give you or stop something at your whim, it is us who should do what He wants.
Let's not pretend that there are people who have done nothing wrong. Everybody has insulted other people, some more than others, and some have indeed contributed to the death or mental sufferring of other people. Is this alone not worthy of a hellish experience of the afterlife? When someone insults somebody else on the internet you don't know in what place they are.

[DutchFormosa]

No. From sufferring you can get very valuable experience that you wouldn't truly grasp otherwise.

Try saying this to someone who experienced assault

God is not some cosmic vending machine that can give you or stop something at your whim, it is us who should do what He wants.

God supposedly has the ability to stop suffering and yet chooses not to. If he can't do something, then he's not as powerful as people think he is. And how are we supposed to know what he wants? Based on my experience, he's not a very good communicator

Let's not pretend that there are people who have done nothing wrong. Everybody has insulted other people, some more than others, and some have indeed contributed to the death or mental sufferring of other people. Is this alone not worthy of a hellish experience of the afterlife? When someone insults somebody else on the internet you don't know in what place they are.

So someone who insulted somebody one time deserves to suffer for all eternity along with people who committed much worse crimes? Because I dunno about you, but that should not be the case. You would think a god that is supposed to be merciful wouldn't do that

[Schwessen-Hellfohen]

After some thinking I’ve sorted out this. The most merciful God is objectively Ahura Mazda. Period.

[Schwessen-Hellfohen]

No. From sufferring you can get very valuable experience that you wouldn't truly grasp otherwise.

Could you elaborate, depending on how you answer, I might agree with you.

God is not some cosmic vending machine that can give you or stop something at your whim, it is us who should do what He wants.

If he’s really all-powerful then he can do whatever he wants. As Formosa said, there are hundreds of religions saying they are doing God’s or multiple deities’ will, so yeah, that’s not really efficient.[/quote]

Let's not pretend that there are people who have done nothing wrong.

I’m not thinking everyone is righteous, I’m just not sure eternal suffering is justified for every crime.

Everybody has insulted other people, some more than others, and some have indeed contributed to the death or mental suffering of other people. Is this alone not worthy of a hellish experience of the afterlife?

Absolutely not worthy of eternal suffering, if hell is temporary, then sure, but if it’s just a painful and everlasting experience without hierarchy, then God is either cruel or a perfectionist. God could have just created humans perfect and uncorruptible if he didn’t want them to “sin”. He could also have made it so that every human knows what His law is.

[Cawn]

Me.

[Jolthig]

It's not a matter of which god is merciful, but the question should be, what is mercy?

Oh I had that queued up as another issue that needed clarification. A lot of vagueness in this thread.

What?

[Potato Gun]

Last I checked, he’s one of the only ones that hasn’t waged a war in the Middle East.

Because other god’s have? Yeah I thought not

I don’t think Orcuo is able to differentiate between fundamentalists and real worshippers.

[Orcuo]

Because other god’s have? Yeah I thought not

I don’t think Orcuo is able to differentiate between fundamentalists and real worshippers.

"That wasn’t REAL Christianity."

Lol, lmao even.

[Armeriea]

I don’t think Orcuo is able to differentiate between fundamentalists and real worshippers.

"That wasn’t REAL Christianity."

Lol, lmao even.

Satanists have done nothing wrong then? Absolute joke of a take

And you claimed that God himself did that, which is insane. Even with the ridiculousness of this logic, satan has done why worse things

[Armeriea]

No. From sufferring you can get very valuable experience that you wouldn't truly grasp otherwise.

Try saying this to someone who experienced assault

God is not some cosmic vending machine that can give you or stop something at your whim, it is us who should do what He wants.

God supposedly has the ability to stop suffering and yet chooses not to. If he can't do something, then he's not as powerful as people think he is. And how are we supposed to know what he wants? Based on my experience, he's not a very good communicator

Let's not pretend that there are people who have done nothing wrong. Everybody has insulted other people, some more than others, and some have indeed contributed to the death or mental sufferring of other people. Is this alone not worthy of a hellish experience of the afterlife? When someone insults somebody else on the internet you don't know in what place they are.

So someone who insulted somebody one time deserves to suffer for all eternity along with people who committed much worse crimes? Because I dunno about you, but that should not be the case. You would think a god that is supposed to be merciful wouldn't do that

No? Obviously not what the guy said. He said everyone sins
And you said nobody should suffer consequences just now

[Neo Lunatea]

"That wasn’t REAL Christianity."

Lol, lmao even.

Satanists have done nothing wrong then? Absolute joke of a take :rofl:

And you claimed that God himself did that, which is insane. Even with the ridiculousness of this logic, satan has done why worse things

'BuT gOd KiLlEd MoRe PeOpL-'

Well Satan caused death itself.

[Potato Gun]

I don’t think Orcuo is able to differentiate between fundamentalists and real worshippers.

"That wasn’t REAL Christianity."

Lol, lmao even.

Yes is was not real Christianity as they did not follow Christian morality, and all the sacrifices and church attendance in the world cannot make up for that.