Ukrainian War VII: Advent's Offspring

[Hrstrovokia]

Gitmo is at least land officially operated by the US, unlike any individual location within Belarus.

Actually, is Belarus sort of in a union with Russia? So it's also on Russian territory....sort of, somehow idk

[The Lone Alliance]

Russia bringing back 19th century Imperialism and wars of conquest is everyone's business.

Why should it be? Russia has no want or need to invade America. Worst case it takes back former czarist territory but that was never 'ours' to begin with.

And as Russia is one of the leading architects of the "WEST BAD" ideology you love so much.

Before you accuse me of being a Putin apologist: Putin is a corrupt oligarch mob boss too. But until the west sorts out its own crime problems at home, it has no leg to stand on schooling others for it.

But it's not his either, and if your idea of "You can only help people when you're perfect" you are basically saying you should never help anyone, because America will never be perfect.

And trying to become perfect while the whole world burns to the ground will not lead to perfection.

There will always be homeless people in America.

You do not "Need a leg to stand on" in order to do the right thing, you can be a horrible person and still do the right thing. Just like you can be a wonderful perfect person but if you do nothing you aren't actually helping anyone.

[Sutalia]

Same with Putin and Lukashenka's arbitrary arrests, detentions, and beatings. They all learned their dirty crafts from western masters of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

The west have no moral superiority on the 'dictatorships' they so love to flex on.

I don't think "moral superiority" is a necessary requirement for the West to continue flexing on russia and belarus.

More importantly, Putin just steals his inspiration from his Soviet predecessors.

Apparently, Aleppo has fallen.

"What is Aleppo?" -Gary Johnson, national hero

[Rusozak]

America did it first and did it better.

Same with Putin and Lukashenka's arbitrary arrests, detentions, and beatings. They all learned their dirty crafts from western masters of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

The west have no moral superiority on the 'dictatorships' they so love to flex on.

I'm sorry, are you insinuating Putin is himself a Western puppet?

[The Byzantine Caliphate]

America did it first and did it better.

Gitmo is at least land officially operated by the US, unlike any individual location within Belarus.

And all those 'black sites' throughout Europe and the Middle East that the U.S. has been operating much longer?

And trying to become perfect while the whole world burns to the ground will not lead to perfection.

That will be totally the fault of cocky western politicians who must stick their noses in everyone's shit, and western media that divides people into us and them. Our enemy is not Russia; our enemy is the business elites keeping us poor and subjugated with crime, homelessness, and unemployment.

Same with Putin and Lukashenka's arbitrary arrests, detentions, and beatings. They all learned their dirty crafts from western masters of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

The west have no moral superiority on the 'dictatorships' they so love to flex on.

I'm sorry, are you insinuating Putin is himself a Western puppet?

Putin's career started because of the K.G.B.
The K.G.B. started because of the Cold War.
The Cold War started because of the World Wars.
The World Wars started because of imperialist western meddling.

Therefore Putin is a creation of the west.

[Hrstrovokia]

Apparently, Aleppo has fallen.

I suppose a pertinent question to ask is, if Assad's forces face defeat, will Russia step in again to back him up? I don't even know if Russia could send any support, it did nothing to help Armenia which was part of a defensive pact, what could it do for Syria?

There are different levels of support of course. Probably won't see the air campaign that happened before but weapons - at least small arms and anti-tank weapons - could flow, or be directed from Iran. Much to consider.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Oh goody, a Russian Concentration Camp in Belarus operating on government owned property was just exposed by independent journalists.

America did it first and did it better.

Was that idiotic 'whataboutism' supposed to magically excuse Russia for it's actions here?

....

Fucking pathetic.

[Saiwana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqDnm8Uug8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRHpyoX8YM

Russia is having a food crisis. Is apparently collapsing militarily in Ukraine and elsewhere. Might be in the same position the Kaiser's Germany was in 1918.

It'd really turn me on if Russia were forced into the same type of treaty Germany was forced into in the early 20th century. This can set the stage for so much good during the 21st century. Russia must be made weak and kept under control by whatever equivalent there is now to the League of Nations.
If Russia loses this war, talks should be held about dissolving the UN security council and re-making it without Russia to reflect their decreased power if it is confirmed that their international pull is gone and will be for a long while to come.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It'd really turn me on if Russia were forced into the same type of treaty Germany was forced into in the early 20th century.

Things a normal person would think twice about before typing and posting.

[Saiwana]

Things a normal person would think twice about before typing and posting.

There should be a deal made with Russia in exchange for a graceful exit from this war, if most or all of their leverage has evaporated. I'd offer to simply have Russia keep all of the land they can hold, in exchange for giving up their entire nuclear arsenal.

[Rusozak]

I'm sorry, are you insinuating Putin is himself a Western puppet?

Putin's career started because of the K.G.B.
The K.G.B. started because of the Cold War.
The Cold War started because of the World Wars.
The World Wars started because of imperialist western meddling.

Therefore Putin is a creation of the west.

I mean with that logic might as well go all in and say Putin is Genghis Khan's fault.

[Infected Mushroom]

Putin says Trump might be able to achieve peace.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/28/euro ... intl-latam

CNN
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday praised US President-elect Donald Trump as an “intelligent and experienced” politician capable of finding “solutions,” as tensions between Moscow and the West ramp up over the war in Ukraine.

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Putin said “absolutely uncivilized means of struggle were used against Trump” more than once, adding that he fears the president-elect is not currently safe.

He also criticized the “humiliating, unfounded judicial procedures” to which Trump was “subjected” during the campaign.

[Hrstrovokia]

Was that idiotic 'whataboutism' supposed to magically excuse Russia for it's actions here?

....

Fucking pathetic.

Oh no, did someone point out that the greatest supporter of democracy and freedom has a not so rosy history of torture, particularly utilizing other countries to do so? Oh well I am sure it's an isolated incident and not part of some global network of black sites using extraordinary rendition to torture, humiliate and wrongfully detain "suspects".

Here, to placate you, I'll make a post more in line with your bias:

China does it bigger and better.

Nothing excuses Russia's mistreatment of POWs, but the West hardly has a leg to stand on in this regard.

[Tarsonis]

Putin says Trump might be able to achieve peace.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/28/euro ... intl-latam

CNN
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday praised US President-elect Donald Trump as an “intelligent and experienced” politician capable of finding “solutions,” as tensions between Moscow and the West ramp up over the war in Ukraine.

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Putin said “absolutely uncivilized means of struggle were used against Trump” more than once, adding that he fears the president-elect is not currently safe.

He also criticized the “humiliating, unfounded judicial procedures” to which Trump was “subjected” during the campaign.

Weird statement considering Putin could achieve peace right now

[Rusozak]

Putin says Trump might be able to achieve peace.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/28/euro ... intl-latam

CNN
—
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday praised US President-elect Donald Trump as an “intelligent and experienced” politician capable of finding “solutions,” as tensions between Moscow and the West ramp up over the war in Ukraine.

…

Putin said “absolutely uncivilized means of struggle were used against Trump” more than once, adding that he fears the president-elect is not currently safe.

He also criticized the “humiliating, unfounded judicial procedures” to which Trump was “subjected” during the campaign.

Well of course Putin would say that, he spent what remained of Russia's GDP getting his asset back in power.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

SNIP

There's a reason why Putin and even most of the Russian Propagandists have openly insulted their Western Supporters for being idiots and have disavowed and rejected them repeatedly even the people they insult continue to sing their praises.

Like half the Russian supporters on this thead would make Putin cringe.

It is amazing how a country can express content for a group and spit in their eyes, and that group still supports said country. It is laughable.

[Ifreann]

Apparently, Aleppo has fallen.

Gonna have to update all those "Who must go?" memes.

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It'd really turn me on if Russia were forced into the same type of treaty Germany was forced into in the early 20th century.

Things a normal person would think twice about before typing and posting.

Signing up to get implanted with a Neuralink in the hopes that it fries this memory from my brain.

[USHALLNOTPASS]

Straight up jorking it to the idea of Brest-Litovsk 2.

[Ifreann]

Straight up jorking it to the idea of Brest-Litovsk 2.

Any by "it", haha. I mean my Polants.

[Bad Dog]

Straight up jorking it to the idea of Brest-Litovsk 2.

Any by "it", haha. I mean my Polants.

What a terrible day to be literate.

[Ifreann]

Any by "it", haha. I mean my Polants.

What a terrible day to be literate.

A lot of those, these days.

[USHALLNOTPASS]

What a terrible day to be literate.

A lot of those, these days.

Babygirl, you know that Minsk 3 is my go to for stimulation.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Being low in GDP and high in PPP is actually a double-plus-ungood thing if you think about it.

The bigger the GDP, the more you can produce, buy, sell, create and invent. Except where non-productive sectors like finance, banking etc are over represented in the numbers. So long as the base leans towards Production, it’s a positive.

lemmee break this down for you.

A high PPP means your money can buy more stuff than it normally would. (assuming you aren't looking at the chart upside-down)
A low GDP means you produce less stuff than you normally should.

Are you starting to see where this may stem from a rather difficult problem, yet?

Also, Russia isn't in 4th. It's sitting somewhere between Germany, Japan, and Indonesia depending on who you ask. And things are even worse when you look at GDP (PPP) Per capita in Europe this year.
Then we can throw some US states at the problem and things get funny when Russia's entire economic output can get dunked on by Texas.
Congrats on beating Florida, man; it only took Russia ten years to do it, though.

But the long short of it is stuff costs 5x more in Russia than it would in America and it's only going to get worse.

[Phoeniae]

it seems these weeks unroll a phase of barter, made under last ditch bombardment pressure, sort of preparation round, which is hardly to be called diplomaty properly, in the view of full out war.

it can be trusted that, as outlets tell us, americans of incoming administration and partners are into main effort to “convince” legitimate zelenszy’s cabinet to surrender.

the heaviest profosal of this is allied dikat to draft 18-26 years old, an obviously impossible condition to be welcomed, that russia ukraine could also accept at their own detriment.

nonetheless, substantially “diplomatic talk” to force surrender. also, white house envoy, past general kellog, to come since february stressed same, he declared armament delivery is way to induce roundtable.

in my guess, most possible conclusive plan for a truce, is not putin’s plan of last week properly, but elon musk’s plan he displaied many times on his failed social media.

I should add a photo, however to say: quite the picture with all the east of river dniper ceded, to only spare one or two more northern regions at eastern bank of said river.

same, putin and kremlin could not accept this sort of agreement, would be quite definitive triumph for his regime, at least as seen from abroad, but in his madness and caprice this may not be sufficient.

the sanctions, serious for once, america approved in past few weeks after the icbm launch on diniper, to gazprom bank specifically, has proven be miracoulus and drastical to plunders kremlin into despair.

however, for how the political balance works in allied countries, I have no any last resorted hope than meaningful santions to be maintained much longer.

for the core of all this war in that, whenever sanctions risk to be succeful, partners steadly retire them. the true element to frighten sleep of cabinets is the spectre russian collapse.

my worry appeared in all truth, that governments will never accept to break the roost of golden eggs (putin’s regime) for their business. war looms, and can precipitate before than thought.

either way, if zelensky surrender to “munich truce” on the table, after which ukraine will be syria-treated as forever pillow wasteland, or in fortunate case he resists, russia has got resources to invade.

the only meager possibilities stay in if russian armed forces are weakened, or if putin and his loyal old caste die in the while. it is possible “northern styled democracy” to fade.

neither “russian federation styled tyranny” is invincible, it has got momentum in our decade still it is clean it also may encounter similar whole criticism even after the chance it wins.

we navigate in undiscovered waters, but surely the war looms, and the thin majority of europena public has been found childish to igrore this.

the war possibly even before ‘28 is to induce northern democratic coalition cabinets to speech publicly much soon this sense, when they would feel attained sufficient logistical and military preparation.

[Pale Dawn]

Zelensky says Ukraine could temporarily cede territory to Russia in exchange for Nato membership

https://share.newsbreak.com/a4vule4o

A realistic if not ideal way out of the war.