A 2nd Yom Kippur War? Hamas fighters launch surprise attack

[Glorious Freedonia]

Video of Hezbollah Attack on Northern Israeli Military Base Shows Extensive Destruction

Meanwhile, the US says a deal on the release of hostages is closer than ever. This comes as families of hostages engaged in a fiery debate against far right Israeli lawmakers who want to expand death penalty laws to allow the execution of Palestinian fighters.

Thos families have a bias towards saving their relatives.

[Bradfordville]

Or we could give hamas some Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the release of the hostages alive, instead of in 50 pieces.

Well we could do that anyway. I do not think that Hamas terrorists have any rights.

That's cool. If a robber has a gun to a man's head and the man tries to fight him instead of giving his wallet, we don't usually call that a smart move. The now dead robbery victim is remembered as an impulsive idiot. The same applies here. Yes, paying ransoms or exchanging hostages "encourages terror." That's a lesser evil compared to being psychopathic enough to allow your own people to die, or worse yet to be the reason they're dead because you bombed them by mistake while shelling the place they were being held in.

[Insaanistan]

For every dead hostage I think they should bomb for a week just to deter future episodes. For every child bomb a month. I may be a little too hard on terrorism though.

The hostages are dead because of the bombing…

[Ifreann]

Video of Hezbollah Attack on Northern Israeli Military Base Shows Extensive Destruction

Meanwhile, the US says a deal on the release of hostages is closer than ever. This comes as families of hostages engaged in a fiery debate against far right Israeli lawmakers who want to expand death penalty laws to allow the execution of Palestinian fighters.

Thos families have a bias towards saving their relatives.

Probably they don't want their relatives to get blown up by Israeli bombs.

[Bradfordville]

For every dead hostage I think they should bomb for a week just to deter future episodes. For every child bomb a month. I may be a little too hard on terrorism though.

The hostages are dead because of the bombing…

What exactly is the point of Israel anyways if it does the complete opposite of protecting Jewish people? Why live in a place where if you're taken hostage, the government might just decide that killing arabs is more important than saving you?

[Theodorable]

The hostages are dead because of the bombing…

What exactly is the point of Israel anyways if it does the complete opposite of protecting Jewish people? Why live in a place where if you're taken hostage, the government might just decide that killing arabs is more important than saving you?

Israel should not exist.
Neither should Palestine, or any other state for that matter.
This conflict stops when artificial boundaries between peoples disappear.

It is astonishing it has taken people this long to question Israel's existence.

[Bradfordville]

What exactly is the point of Israel anyways if it does the complete opposite of protecting Jewish people? Why live in a place where if you're taken hostage, the government might just decide that killing arabs is more important than saving you?

Israel should not exist.
Neither should Palestine, or any other state for that matter.
This conflict stops when artificial boundaries between peoples disappear.

It is astonishing it has taken people this long to question Israel's existence.

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Meanwhile, I think the Cham people are still waiting for the day they don't need to be part of Vietnam or cambodia anymore. Will they finally have their homeland? Probably not.

[Theodorable]

Israel should not exist.
Neither should Palestine, or any other state for that matter.
This conflict stops when artificial boundaries between peoples disappear.

It is astonishing it has taken people this long to question Israel's existence.

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Meanwhile, I think the Cham people are still waiting for the day they don't need to be part of Vietnam or cambodia anymore. Will they finally have their homeland? Probably not.

The Cham nor any other people deserve or need a homeland. The world is their homeland.

The international working class have no country.

[Bradfordville]

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Meanwhile, I think the Cham people are still waiting for the day they don't need to be part of Vietnam or cambodia anymore. Will they finally have their homeland? Probably not.

The Cham nor any other people deserve or need a homeland. The world is their homeland.

The international working class have no country.

Suggesting all of mankind should come together and discard with ethnonationalism and arbitrary borders might just be the belief that makes the ADL'S Hate in America 2023 listing.

[Theodorable]

The Cham nor any other people deserve or need a homeland. The world is their homeland.

The international working class have no country.

Suggesting all of mankind should come together and discard with ethnonationalism and arbitrary borders might just be the belief that makes the ADL'S Hate in America 2023 listing.

Bourgeois organization wants bourgeois politics. No surprise.

[Fahran]

Watching a video of Farfour mouse, I can't help but imagine that Walt Disney was smiling up at the creators of the show for continuing his legacy of hating the Jews.

I wonder how the guy who played him felt about dressing up as a giant mouse and talking in a goofy high pitched voice about never selling out before being murdered by an Israeli agent.

Oddly enough, accusations about Ole Walt's Antisemitism aren't particularly conclusive. The main bit of evidence was his foundation of the Motion Pictures Alliance following multiple labor disputes with writers, animators, and studio employees. If we considered folks Antisemites for participation in broader Antisemitic organizations or movements, I'd actually be tempted to argue that the ADL is too stingy with the accusation at the moment and that it should probably be applied a lot more broadly than it currently is. Disney does seem to have been racist against black people and sexist against women though.

[Fahran]

Thos families have a bias towards saving their relatives.

No! Really? Next you'll tell me that the Rambam was Jewish.

[Fahran]

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Um... Yes. Yes, you would get criticized. Both of those are really bad takes.

Meanwhile, I think the Cham people are still waiting for the day they don't need to be part of Vietnam or cambodia anymore. Will they finally have their homeland? Probably not.

National self-determination provides some recourse for ethnic minorities subject to apartheid or genocide. It's also been enshrined into international law, albeit the actual application is more than inconsistent.

[Theodorable]

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Um... Yes. Yes, you would get criticized. Both of those are really bad takes.

Meanwhile, I think the Cham people are still waiting for the day they don't need to be part of Vietnam or cambodia anymore. Will they finally have their homeland? Probably not.

National self-determination provides some recourse for ethnic minorities subject to apartheid or genocide. It's also been enshrined into international law, albeit the actual application is more than inconsistent.

Don't worry. You can't level Albania. They have more than enough bunkers for everyone

[Fahran]

Don't worry. You can't level Albania. They have more than enough bunkers for everyone

Hoxha was literally a bigger meme than Tito somehow.

[Bradfordville]

Question Israel existing is somehow the ultimate sin. Now, granted, I don't believe that Israel should just be bulldozed along with all of its people into the sea. But you won't get as much criticism if you say we should level Albania, or if you think the founding of Brazil was a mistake.

Um... Yes. Yes, you would get criticized. Both of those are really bad takes.

You won't get criticized as much, as I said. People will be less upset about it. Yes, they are terrible takes, and I'm sure Albanians and Brazilians wouldn't wanna see their countries leveled.

But how much do you really think the average American would care? Compared to someone saying Israel should be blown up.

[Theodorable]

Don't worry. You can't level Albania. They have more than enough bunkers for everyone

Hoxha was literally a bigger meme than Tito somehow.

Hoxha was so Stalinist and anti-revisionist, when he arrived in the afterlife he walked straight up to Stalin who was playing pool and said, "You sir, are a revisionist."

[Insaanistan]

Hamas’s Spokesman, Abu Ūbayda, says that Israeli bombed some of its own troops in Gaza under the mistaken impression that said soldiers had been captured. In the same video, he claimed that Israel’s goal is to destroy civilian infrastructure and kill civilians. He also said that clashes with Israeli forces are ongoing in several areas of the Gaza Strip, Hamas fighters have destroyed 60 Israeli vehicles (including 10 personnel carriers) since Saturday, when they ambushed Israeli soldiers in Gaza City. They took out a troop carrier, killing three IDF troops.

[The Black Forrest]

Watching a video of Farfour mouse, I can't help but imagine that Walt Disney was smiling up at the creators of the show for continuing his legacy of hating the Jews.

I wonder how the guy who played him felt about dressing up as a giant mouse and talking in a goofy high pitched voice about never selling out before being murdered by an Israeli agent.

Oddly enough, accusations about Ole Walt's Antisemitism aren't particularly conclusive. The main bit of evidence was his foundation of the Motion Pictures Alliance following multiple labor disputes with writers, animators, and studio employees. If we considered folks Antisemites for participation in broader Antisemitic organizations or movements, I'd actually be tempted to argue that the ADL is too stingy with the accusation at the moment and that it should probably be applied a lot more broadly than it currently is. Disney does seem to have been racist against black people and sexist against women though.

The black and sexist thing was mainly stoked by Merl Streep shooting her mouth off.

Floyd Norman a black animator took her to task on that. I can’t find the original post as Floyd changed over to squarespace and doesn’t have it sorted out yet. He said he was learning and have patience. For example, he has his blog but it doesn’t have a search. Over 50 pages to dig through….

https://www.deseret.com/2014/1/10/20532 ... y-responds

Floyd dismissed the black racism as basically saying he would have been surprised to have seen him working and he mentioned other black people in positions.

Women back then were not animators. It was just the way things were. Still women were in higher positions in Disney then they would normally be in other companies.

He said Walt was a flawed man and yet he strove to improve his whole life.

-edit-

If you are curious to him and his works:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Norman

[Equatrea]

What exactly is the point of Israel anyways if it does the complete opposite of protecting Jewish people? Why live in a place where if you're taken hostage, the government might just decide that killing arabs is more important than saving you?

Israel should not exist.
Neither should Palestine, or any other state for that matter.
This conflict stops when artificial boundaries between peoples disappear.

It is astonishing it has taken people this long to question Israel's existence.

Based. The world needs to be a union of socialist workers' republics with no gods, kings, or popes.

[Diarcesia]

>Israel keeps at least one Hamas member alive and at large at all times
>Israel keeps permanent control of Gaza and West Bank
>???
>Profit

Keeping the West Bank is non-negotiable from a national security perspective.

Without it, any foreign invader can cut the country in half by driving through the narrowest point of Israel, which is like... 12 miles across.

The bigger issue is the insistence of Palestinians to be second-class citizens under Israeli rule.

[Theodorable]

Keeping the West Bank is non-negotiable from a national security perspective.

Without it, any foreign invader can cut the country in half by driving through the narrowest point of Israel, which is like... 12 miles across.

The bigger issue is the insistence of Palestinians to be second-class citizens under Israeli rule.

"We need to occupy you to prevent foreign invasions which will literally never come and hasn't happened since 1973 because we have a full nuclear arsenal and also the backing of the world's largest superpower who can throw tens of billions of dollars at us in defense funding on a whim."

. Fearmongering is one of the greatest forms of propaganda. Goebbels used it to great effect.

[Fahran]

You won't get criticized as much, as I said. People will be less upset about it. Yes, they are terrible takes, and I'm sure Albanians and Brazilians wouldn't wanna see their countries leveled.

But how much do you really think the average American would care? Compared to someone saying Israel should be blown up.

I suspect that at least a portion of that is down to Anti-Zionism having a miraculous amount of unwarranted support whereas randomly abolishing other countries is almost always a laughable premise. The rest, as I've mentioned before, is that the Arab-Israeli Conflict is a cause celebre that people who are broadly ignorant about geopolitics feel emboldened to comment on. That's not any less true for Zionists than it is for Anti-Zionists.

[Fahran]

The bigger issue is the insistence of Palestinians to be second-class citizens under Israeli rule.

Arabs - to include Palestinians and Bedouins both. And third-class citizens.

The Sephardim and Mizrachim, at the moment, are the second-class citizens.

[Theodorable]

The bigger issue is the insistence of Palestinians to be second-class citizens under Israeli rule.

Arabs - to include Palestinians and Bedouins both. And third-class citizens.

The Sephardim and Mizrachim, at the moment, are the second-class citizens.

Israel was always intended as a finance colony, even if that meant discriminating against the so-called people it was built for. No surprise.