"What are your pronouns?"

[Aussie Australia]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.

Also I don't get this obsession with breeding, it's disgusting.
The sex drive does not have as goal reproduction, but merely the orgasm.

Sex is about reproduction and the orgasm is just a way nature makes you want to, also your a fucking prude and i can't really be bothered to discuss this mass delusion anymore

[Thomasi]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.

Also I don't get this obsession with breeding, it's disgusting.
The sex drive does not have as goal reproduction, but merely the orgasm.

Sex is about reproduction and the orgasm is just a way nature makes you want to, also your a fucking prude and i can't really be bothered to discuss this mass delusion anymore

Society has decided the feelings of the minute few should trump science. Can't define sex or man/woman without being called bigoted. God forbid you only bring up women when talking about pregnancy or menstruation. What you care about reproduction what a creep. Pregnant people vs woman lol.

I agree with you it's crazy.

[Armeattla]

TIL from Google that the brain in transgender people is a mix of the male and female brains. Since the 2 brains are different due to having to control different functions.

Now gender dysphoria makes more sense having parts of both brains must be confusing as fuck.


That said while we should call children by there preferred pronouns they should have to wait til 21 to transition to make sure they don't have regrets.

That's actually only for trans women (where the average is 2/3rd female). Trans men are known to usually have completely male brainstructures.
The difference in sex of the brain and the rest of the body is indeed the cause of gender dysphoria. It isn't even unique to trans people.

Also it has been proven that affirmative care for trans teens is crucial for suicide prevention (as trans people, both adults and youth - but especially the pre-transition section - have extremely elevated suicide risks).
Trans affirmative medical care has also been the most successful in satisfaction, with only a 2% regret rate (usually due to botched surgery, or not getting all surgeries at once), compared to 15% (even for live-saving ones).

[Armeattla]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.

Then the question arises again: what about people who medically transitioned?
HRT is like a second puberty. A trans woman having completed her medical transition will absolutely look like a woman, including breasts, hips, and so on. Therefore she will be recognized as a woman.

[Neutraligon]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.

Then the question arises again: what about people who medically transitioned?
HRT is like a second puberty. A trans woman having completed her medical transition will absolutely look like a woman, including breasts, hips, and so on. Therefore she will be recognized as a woman.

Assuming that person goes through the first puberty at all. Hormone blockers and all that mean the person need not develop the unwanted secondary sexual characteristics in the first place.

[Armeattla]

Then the question arises again: what about people who medically transitioned?
HRT is like a second puberty. A trans woman having completed her medical transition will absolutely look like a woman, including breasts, hips, and so on. Therefore she will be recognized as a woman.

Assuming that person goes through the first puberty at all. Hormone blockers and all that mean the person need not develop the unwanted secondary sexual characteristics in the first place.

I know, but such types usually don't want youth to do that because "ThEy MiGhT rEgReT iT!" (despite the children being more likely to regret their natural puberty).

[New haven america]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.

Also I don't get this obsession with breeding, it's disgusting.
The sex drive does not have as goal reproduction, but merely the orgasm.

Sex is about reproduction and the orgasm is just a way nature makes you want to, also your a fucking prude and i can't really be bothered to discuss this mass delusion anymore

Gender isn't external it's psychological.

ffs, you'd think someone that spent days ranting about this would've figured that out by now.

[Neutraligon]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.



Sex is about reproduction and the orgasm is just a way nature makes you want to, also your a fucking prude and i can't really be bothered to discuss this mass delusion anymore

Gender isn't external it's psychological.

ffs, you'd think someone that spent days ranting about this would've figured that out by now.

Which is biological, since the mind is created by the brain.

[Thomasi]

Gender isn't external it's psychological.

ffs, you'd think someone that spent days ranting about this would've figured that out by now.

Which is biological, since the mind is created by the brain.

Gender is social not phycological as gender norns are different around the world. Sex is biological XX can only be female and XY only male, intersex is when they don't line up.

[Armeattla]

Which is biological, since the mind is created by the brain.

Gender is social not phycological as gender norns are different around the world. Sex is biological XX can only be female and XY only male, intersex is when they don't line up.

Inter is when the sexual characteristics don't line up with another (XX Male Syndrome, XY Female Syndrome, Klinefelter (XXY), etcl.pp.).
Trans when sexual characteristics don't line up with the neurological sex/gender identity.

[Lanoraie II]

Disclaimer: badly worded rambling here. Not having a good mental day so this may come off as more offensive or bigoted than intended. I am neurodivergent and don't owe anyone a cohesive thought though, at the same time.

I find the pronoun obsession really fucking weird. Not necessarily because non-traditional = bad, but simply because of the knowledge that there are MANY languages that just straight up don't have pronouns; or if they do, they're either gender-neutral or not commonly used. And because I feel like gender as a concept has lost its entire purpose of existing in modern society.

It brings me back to a time where a certain fandom was insisting a certain character was nonbinary. She's not, but they were hell-bent on declaring anyone transphobic (bc apparently being nonbinary is trans??) who said otherwise. The problem is, she is clearly a female. It's just not explicitly stated her gender because that's not how Japanese works. Given she was a side character, it's really not difficult at all to go through all 25 volumes and not see her referred to as female or male. But that doesn't mean she's not a woman or is nonbinary. It's literally just how Japanese works. Doubly so if it's a manga, where authors will often intentionally make their tomboys use "boku", which is a childish, male way of referring to yourself as "I".

The obsession with pronouns seems to stem from the obsession with being trans, which is a very odd thing to me for the same reason. It's not that I think trans people are invalid or freaks or anything your typical Republican would say, but rather the whole existence of gender in society is bizarre to me. Like, I get male and female. That's a whole thing in the entire mammalian animal kingdom. What I don't understand is why we place so much emphasis on it in any which way. Gender served our species a very vital purpose in the past, but we have evolved enough to where it's not so necessary. Why does your own body cause you so much grief that you think mutilating it is the answer, and why do the so-called "professionals" agree? Why is this even a thing? At its core, transgenderism has absolutely nothing to do with gender if the main issue is dissatisfaction with genitalia/body. That's sex, booboo. That's not a gender issue. That's a mental health issue. If it was a gender issue, simply identifying as the opposite gender and being validated as such would bring them complete satisfaction, but it doesn't. Because it has nothing to do with gender, because gender isn't real.

It's really difficult to explain my thoughts thoroughly on this without coming across as either bigoted or esoteric, or both. I get why gender is important to people, but I don't get why it has to be. I think we're in a growing pains kind of situation in society where humanity as a whole is trying to figure itself out and figure out what makes sense and what doesn't. Neopronouns make zero sense to me, as does the concept of rigid gender roles being pushed onto people in modern society. It's kind of like....shouldn't we be evolved beyond this by now?

I think, in maybe 20-30 years, we'll be back to male and female only...But with the caveat that it'll just strictly be about sex; and pronouns won't be used as much if at all (though this may take much longer given how the English language works). Instead of "they identify as xir/xe" it'll just be "yeah that's Tommy". The concept of male and female as genders will likely still exist, but I imagine they'll be fading away. And the concept of gendered pronouns will be mocked and laughed at the same way we mock and laugh at 2009 memes. It's kind of a scary thought, but I think it's also the logical conclusion to this rebellious teenage phase that we're in.

TL;DR Society has went: Gender determines your life --> gender is important but we're equal --> gender isn't everything --> my gender is everything --> --> other genders exist too --> gender isn't real, so I think the endgame to this is "gender is irrelevant".

If someone wants to pick through all that and hopefully reword the point I'm trying to make into a more cohesive argument, that'd be great. Something something gender was useful but is kinda pointless now.

[Diarcesia]

You may attempt to keep handwaving the intersex arguments by demoting it as "abnormal", but that doesn't change that it is a disproval of your hypothesis that sex is solely determined by chromosomes. But you might not be familiar enough with the scientific process to realize that...


Again, no it isn't, not by your definition (chromosomes).
Gender in all it's social aspects is based on gender expression and secondary characteristics.
It doesn't matter if you have a dick, it doesn't matter if you hav XY chromosomes, if you look like a woman, you will be recognized as a woman.


You do know that the human is a species where the brain is actually alot more important than anything else?
Also, I don't think you are in any form capable of making a judgement of what isa mental illness or not.
The APA seems to have that well in hand.

Also I hope you realise trans people transition? A vast majority also medically transition, which has the explicit goal of changing secondary sexual characteristics (and often also primary secondary characteristics).
That is mostly done by undergoing HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy), thereby changing the hormone household (which actually determines your secondary sexual characteristics and physiology), and undergoing surgery (usually to remove already develloped, unwanted characteristics, such as narrowing the shoulders or removing the breasts - not counting SRS yet).
Most trans people who have finished their medical transition are usually indistinguishable from cis people of the same gender.

OMG i'm not saying that it's literally just XX and XY that determine your sex but also your genes which exist in your sex chromosomes. That's why they're called your sex chromosomes.

Tell me how is an intersex person not one male or female when there disorder names literally gender them. XY Female syndrome or XX Male syndrome. They may have the opposite sex chromosome set but in thy have genes that code to make that person a man or a woman not inbetween but one or the other.

And just looking like a woman doesn't make you a woman like what. It's like saying oh that person is dressed like Michael Jackson so it must obviously be Michael Jackson. What do you think gendering is, why would we have just by pure coincidence two genders and two sexes both named the same thing. I mean it's almost like they're supposed to reflect each other!

You can't change your sex and therefore you can't change your gender. And you shouldn't gender is there to give you information about someone like can you breed with them or can they join this sport or can they use this bathroom.

Going through hormone replacement therapy won't change your sex (i.e. genes) and while it might make you look like a woman you aren't so why on earth would you be gendered as one

That's where the disconnect starts. You assert that sex = gender, your debate opponents assert that its not.

Let's put it this way. Let's say I'm born with a penis. Am I forbidden to wear skirts because my sex assigned at birth is male?

[Neutraligon]

Which is biological, since the mind is created by the brain.

Gender is social not phycological as gender norns are different around the world. Sex is biological XX can only be female and XY only male, intersex is when they don't line up.

No, gender expression is social. Gender is psychological and therefore biological.

[Armeattla]

Why does your own body cause you so much grief that you think mutilating it is the answer, and why do the so-called "professionals" agree? Why is this even a thing? At its core, transgenderism has absolutely nothing to do with gender if the main issue is dissatisfaction with genitalia/body. That's sex, booboo. That's not a gender issue.That's a mental health issue. If it was a gender issue, simply identifying as the opposite gender and being validated as such would bring them complete satisfaction, but it doesn't.

Frankly, instead of cutting that text to pieces I'll just address it this way for the sake of structure:
Fundamentally being trans is a discrepancy between one's sex (and therefore the derived gender) and one's neurological sex (and therefore gender identity).
This discrepancy causes something called "Gender Dysphoria" (dyphoria being the opposite to euphoria). Technically not only trans people suffer from dysphoria but cis people in certain circumstances too (e.g. a cis man undergoing transfeminine HRT will feel dysphoria - as an extreme example). You could describe it as a woman's brain in a man's body, or the other way around.
Dysphoria can show itself in many ways and at many things, and is frankly not exclusive to trans people.
This includes (but is not limited to):

• Genital Dysphoria (at one's genitals)
• Physical Dysphoria (at one's body shape)
• Biochemical Dysphoria (at one's hormones)
• Social Dysphoria (at one's gender, presentation or how people refer to one)

Many different trans people of course have many different ways they experience dysphoria, so not every trans person has genital dysphoria, and not every trans person has physical dysphoria but still genital dysphoria. And there are also many trans people who are non-binary and therefore try to work in some fashion outside of the binary.

As for "it's about sex and not about gender": it's about both. Gender is usually derived from the secondary characteristics after all.
Originally people used the term "transsexual", but they realized that there were plenty of people who weren't "transsexual" but still very much trans, therefore it was opted to use the term "transgender" in the english spaces.
In german we simply use "Trans*", acknowledging that there are still many ways to identify as trans, at least in the german sphere (e.g. we actually have two different native words for "transgender"). (Same actually for Inter)

Someone on this forum has once put it very nicely: Progress has outpaced language. Therefore language needs to pick up the pace, and that causes alot of confusion with everyone.

[Diarcesia]

The question is: "What are your pronouns?"

According to wiktionary, your pronouns are second person possessive determiners to tell something is belonging to you; of you; related to you.

[North Korea Choson]

From pronouns to orgasm. The topic shift is hilarious.

[Katganistan]

Well put it like this. You go through two stages right? Primary sexual development when you develop gonads and secondary sexual development that develop secondary sexual charecteristics. These together make the most sense to determine your gender. An intersex person is inbetween because of their condition but depending on what sex comes through after puberty would be gendered as such.

However if you are not intersex this does not apply to you. If you are a male who has male sex organs you are gendered as such because as people we gender you as close to your sex as possible. It's why we gender babies on their sex organs because that's how that works. If you are a male by sex who developed as a male through puberty you are male as a gender through and through and no matter how much you try you wont be a woman as you didn't develop as one and why you are excluded from female sports and bathrooms.



Sex is about reproduction and the orgasm is just a way nature makes you want to, also your a fucking prude and i can't really be bothered to discuss this mass delusion anymore

Society has decided the feelings of the minute few should trump science. Can't define sex or man/woman without being called bigoted. God forbid you only bring up women when talking about pregnancy or menstruation. What you care about reproduction what a creep. Pregnant people vs woman lol.

I agree with you it's crazy.

Really?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
https://apnews.com/article/politics-sci ... 97817b097a
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/ ... nd-gender/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/nov-24- ... -1.4916508
https://www.newsweek.com/sex-gender-tra ... an-1572088
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/az ... der-binary

Funny that you should mention science. Seems like it disagrees with your feelings, and facts trump feelings.

[Lanoraie II]

Why does your own body cause you so much grief that you think mutilating it is the answer, and why do the so-called "professionals" agree? Why is this even a thing? At its core, transgenderism has absolutely nothing to do with gender if the main issue is dissatisfaction with genitalia/body. That's sex, booboo. That's not a gender issue.That's a mental health issue. If it was a gender issue, simply identifying as the opposite gender and being validated as such would bring them complete satisfaction, but it doesn't.

Frankly, instead of cutting that text to pieces I'll just address it this way for the sake of structure:
Fundamentally being trans is a discrepancy between one's sex (and therefore the derived gender) and one's neurological sex (and therefore gender identity).
This discrepancy causes something called "Gender Dysphoria" (dyphoria being the opposite to euphoria). Technically not only trans people suffer from dysphoria but cis people in certain circumstances too (e.g. a cis man undergoing transfeminine HRT will feel dysphoria - as an extreme example). You could describe it as a woman's brain in a man's body, or the other way around.
Dysphoria can show itself in many ways and at many things, and is frankly not exclusive to trans people.
This includes (but is not limited to):

• Genital Dysphoria (at one's genitals)
• Physical Dysphoria (at one's body shape)
• Biochemical Dysphoria (at one's hormones)
• Social Dysphoria (at one's gender, presentation or how people refer to one)

Many different trans people of course have many different ways they experience dysphoria, so not every trans person has genital dysphoria, and not every trans person has physical dysphoria but still genital dysphoria. And there are also many trans people who are non-binary and therefore try to work in some fashion outside of the binary.

As for "it's about sex and not about gender": it's about both. Gender is usually derived from the secondary characteristics after all.
Originally people used the term "transsexual", but they realized that there were plenty of people who weren't "transsexual" but still very much trans, therefore it was opted to use the term "transgender" in the english spaces.
In german we simply use "Trans*", acknowledging that there are still many ways to identify as trans, at least in the german sphere (e.g. we actually have two different native words for "transgender"). (Same actually for Inter)

Someone on this forum has once put it very nicely: Progress has outpaced language. Therefore language needs to pick up the pace, and that causes alot of confusion with everyone.

I'm super high so I'll try to remember to respond to this more eloquently later, but this is an interesting read. I just feel like there's a huge glaring issue here but I can't quite describe it aside from "gender isn't real, it's a social construct".

Quick disclaimer again: None of what I said or am saying is justification/the ok-go to discriminating, harassing, abusing, etc. trans people or NBs. I think the pronouns shit is dumb as hell but I also emphasize that it's rude as hell to not use someone's preferred pronouns.

[Neutraligon]

Frankly, instead of cutting that text to pieces I'll just address it this way for the sake of structure:
Fundamentally being trans is a discrepancy between one's sex (and therefore the derived gender) and one's neurological sex (and therefore gender identity).
This discrepancy causes something called "Gender Dysphoria" (dyphoria being the opposite to euphoria). Technically not only trans people suffer from dysphoria but cis people in certain circumstances too (e.g. a cis man undergoing transfeminine HRT will feel dysphoria - as an extreme example). You could describe it as a woman's brain in a man's body, or the other way around.
Dysphoria can show itself in many ways and at many things, and is frankly not exclusive to trans people.
This includes (but is not limited to):

• Genital Dysphoria (at one's genitals)
• Physical Dysphoria (at one's body shape)
• Biochemical Dysphoria (at one's hormones)
• Social Dysphoria (at one's gender, presentation or how people refer to one)

Many different trans people of course have many different ways they experience dysphoria, so not every trans person has genital dysphoria, and not every trans person has physical dysphoria but still genital dysphoria. And there are also many trans people who are non-binary and therefore try to work in some fashion outside of the binary.

As for "it's about sex and not about gender": it's about both. Gender is usually derived from the secondary characteristics after all.
Originally people used the term "transsexual", but they realized that there were plenty of people who weren't "transsexual" but still very much trans, therefore it was opted to use the term "transgender" in the english spaces.
In german we simply use "Trans*", acknowledging that there are still many ways to identify as trans, at least in the german sphere (e.g. we actually have two different native words for "transgender"). (Same actually for Inter)

Someone on this forum has once put it very nicely: Progress has outpaced language. Therefore language needs to pick up the pace, and that causes alot of confusion with everyone.

I'm super high so I'll try to remember to respond to this more eloquently later, but this is an interesting read. I just feel like there's a huge glaring issue here but I can't quite describe it aside from "gender isn't real, it's a social construct".

Quick disclaimer again: None of what I said or am saying is justification/the ok-go to discriminating, harassing, abusing, etc. trans people or NBs. I think the pronouns shit is dumb as hell but I also emphasize that it's rude as hell to not use someone's preferred pronouns.

I disagree, gender is very real and has to do with the biology of the brain, it is just hard to describe like many things that have to do with the biology of the brain. Gender expression is very much societal, and has to do with how people think those of a certain sex (or who look close enough to those of that sex as to be seen as being of that sex) should act, what they should wear etc. Because gender expression is taught so young to children it can become so linked in the mind as to be almost impossible to separate.

As to pronouns, yeah. I personally see it a bit like using someone's prefferred name, if they have expressed a preferred name/pronoun it is rude not to use it and does me no harm to do so.

[Thomasi]

Society has decided the feelings of the minute few should trump science. Can't define sex or man/woman without being called bigoted. God forbid you only bring up women when talking about pregnancy or menstruation. What you care about reproduction what a creep. Pregnant people vs woman lol.

I agree with you it's crazy.

Really?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
https://apnews.com/article/politics-sci ... 97817b097a
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/ ... nd-gender/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/nov-24- ... -1.4916508
https://www.newsweek.com/sex-gender-tra ... an-1572088
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/az ... der-binary

Funny that you should mention science. Seems like it disagrees with your feelings, and facts trump feelings.

I never claimed sex and gender were the same. I simply said that society is trying to change the meaning of words.

Definition of Female Adj-of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs. Noun a female person : a woman or a girl, an individual of the sex that is typically capable of bearing young or producing eggs

Definition of Male Adj-of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to produce relatively small, usually motile gametes which fertilize the eggs of a female. Noun a man or a boy, an individual of the sex that is typically capable of producing small, usually motile gametes (such as sperm or spermatozoa) which fertilize the eggs of a female

Definition of Girl a female child from birth to adulthood

Definition of Boy a male child from birth to adulthood

Definition of woman adult female person

Definition of man an individual human
especially : an adult male human

They are trying to change these words to mean something else, they are clear and grounded in science and if we start messing around with them they become useless as important identifiers.

Femininity and Masculinity are the Gender terms and people should feel free to use those as they wish.

[New haven america]

Which is biological, since the mind is created by the brain.

Gender is social not phycological as gender norns are different around the world. Sex is biological XX can only be female and XY only male, intersex is when they don't line up.

Gender=/=Gender roles

[Aggicificicerous]

I never claimed sex and gender were the same. I simply said that society is trying to change the meaning of words.

Who cares? Societies change the meanings of words all the time. That's how living languages work: they change to suit the needs of the people using them.

They are trying to change these words to mean something else, they are clear and grounded in science and if we start messing around with them they become useless as important identifiers.

Femininity and Masculinity are the Gender terms and people should feel free to use those as they wish.

Your definitions were pulled from Meriam Webster. They're not 'grounded in science,' whatever that's supposed to mean. Science isn't a dogmatic ideology, nor is it a cudgel for bludgeoning people over the way they talk. It's a method for observing the world and testing hypotheses about it. It offers no advice on how to define or organize society, and it certainly isn't connected to people's pronoun usage.

[Heloin]

Really?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
https://apnews.com/article/politics-sci ... 97817b097a
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/ ... nd-gender/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/nov-24- ... -1.4916508
https://www.newsweek.com/sex-gender-tra ... an-1572088
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/az ... der-binary

Funny that you should mention science. Seems like it disagrees with your feelings, and facts trump feelings.

I never claimed sex and gender were the same. I simply said that society is trying to change the meaning of words.

[…]

They are trying to change these words to mean something else, they are clear and grounded in science and if we start messing around with them they become useless as important identifiers.

That’s how language works. If your upset the meaning is changing then find something more productive to be upset about then the most inevitable aspect of language.

Femininity and Masculinity are the Gender terms and people should feel free to use those as they wish.

???

[Diarcesia]

I never claimed sex and gender were the same. I simply said that society is trying to change the meaning of words.

[…]

They are trying to change these words to mean something else, they are clear and grounded in science and if we start messing around with them they become useless as important identifiers.

That’s how language works. If your upset the meaning is changing then find something more productive to be upset about then the most inevitable aspect of language.

Femininity and Masculinity are the Gender terms and people should feel free to use those as they wish.

???

It should not be dismissed that change can be scary for some people, because some of them can be bad. But whether they're good or bad, it may be decided on hindsight.

[Ifreann]

2% is hardly common. It isn't extremely rare either.

It’s not even that. The 1.7% used an overly broad definition of intersex, the actual amount is less than 1%
https://www.leonardsax.com/how-common-i ... -sterling/

Yet again this is a case of people misunderstanding how statistics work just like the abortion debate

The number of intersex people isn't important. The point is that they exist. We cannot say that human sex is a simple binary if we have even one individual who does not fit into the binary.