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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:16 pm

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I generally am opposed to laws and think that "order" being dependent on them is a conservative fabrication. Throughout the entirety of tha animal kingdom, ecosystems have "order" without law and I don't think humans are far different, if given the chance. I do think there needs to be environmental/ecological rules, though, with our large population. As for what should happen to the shooter, you know I support firearm access and people handling their own business. Whatever people decided to do with him is their prerogative, no state law needed. I'm not really an anarchist because I think there needs to be an overarching body for the sake of efficiency, but I object to the "govern" in government. I think the State should be more like a service apparatus to the people with lots of horizontal leadership, so, instead of a govern-ment, I would like a service-ment, if that remotely makes sense.


No it makes zero sense. This evil man deserves to go to prison for decades. Somalia is a prefect example of what happens when you don't have a functioning government.

Your idealism has never worked and never will.


No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.

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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 4:17 pm

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No it makes zero sense. This evil man deserves to go to prison for decades. Somalia is a prefect example of what happens when you don't have a functioning government.

Your idealism has never worked and never will.


No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.

u can tell this person has never set foot inside an english inner city
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2022 4:18 pm

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No it makes zero sense. This evil man deserves to go to prison for decades. Somalia is a prefect example of what happens when you don't have a functioning government.

Your idealism has never worked and never will.


No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


Fucking what? Do you know anything about European history? The cornerstone of European civilization, Rome and its subsequent republic and empire, were famously legalistic.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm

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Apparently "police need to stop killing people" is identarian now.

They also advocate for Anti-White propaganda and the deconstruction of our identity let's say if I made a group dedicated to deconstructing the Trans identity and you responded with "We are oppressed we need representation and a fair share of the conversation" That's identity politics and once more this thread gets derailed.


what about BLM is anti-white? is being against police brutality anti-white?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:24 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:Another thing I want to address is this "White Supremacy" trash that you all keep regurgitating. The average Euro and diaspora has been exploited, held in poverty and sacrificed on battlefields like an expendable resource for over a thousand years. It's not "White Supremacy" when 99% of Euros are treated like human garbage by their ruling classes and sacrificed en masse and abused for their benefit. Add in how we've been oppressed and genetically domesticated by law enforcement and it's clear that the 1st and foremost victims of "White supremacy" are Europeans themselves.

is this why the average white european in european countries is infinitely more economically advantaged and politically represented than the average nonwhite european

No, that's more due to biological (racial) differences, like how Asians have a very productive history, as well. Our environments just were conducive to inducing such evolutionary features, whereas the African landscape is extremely harsh and sunbaked. From a survival perspective, it makes far more sense to be competitive, instead of cooperative with such a high pressure environment. And then you have tropical areas across the world with extremely little seasonal variation, so all you really have to do is pick fruits and do a little hunting and fishing to thrive.

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon May 16, 2022 4:26 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:Another thing I want to address is this "White Supremacy" trash that you all keep regurgitating. The average Euro and diaspora has been exploited, held in poverty and sacrificed on battlefields like an expendable resource for over a thousand years. It's not "White Supremacy" when 99% of Euros are treated like human garbage by their ruling classes and sacrificed en masse and abused for their benefit. Add in how we've been oppressed and genetically domesticated by law enforcement and it's clear that the 1st and foremost victims of "White supremacy" are Europeans themselves.


so what you’re saying is that white people have been exploited too, so racism doesn’t exist?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:26 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:
I generally am opposed to laws and think that "order" being dependent on them is a conservative fabrication. Throughout the entirety of tha animal kingdom, ecosystems have "order" without law and I don't think humans are far different, if given the chance. I do think there needs to be environmental/ecological rules, though, with our large population. As for what should happen to the shooter, you know I support firearm access and people handling their own business. Whatever people decided to do with him is their prerogative, no state law needed. I'm not really an anarchist because I think there needs to be an overarching body for the sake of efficiency, but I object to the "govern" in government. I think the State should be more like a service apparatus to the people with lots of horizontal leadership, so, instead of a govern-ment, I would like a service-ment, if that remotely makes sense.


ah, so people should be allowed to kill whoever they want and their punishment is up to random people because that’s how it happens in nature? that seems like a great way for thousands of people to be murdered.


As opposed to all the people the State murders? I'll take a little gang warfare and the occasional vendetta over genociding entire generations of young men on killing fields, or putting them in prison for a slower death.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:28 pm

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No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.

u can tell this person has never set foot inside an english inner city

I was raised around the OMC biker culture here in the States. Your inner city would probably be mild to me.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:30 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:No, that's more due to biological (racial) differences, like how Asians have a very productive history, as well. Our environments just were conducive to inducing such evolutionary features, whereas the African landscape is extremely harsh and sunbaked. From a survival perspective, it makes far more sense to be competitive, instead of cooperative with such a high pressure environment. And then you have tropical areas across the world with extremely little seasonal variation, so all you really have to do is pick fruits and do a little hunting and fishing to thrive.


I would try not to engage with this guy in moderation he said I belong in a Zoo and I'm a piece of shit I don't think he's trying to engage in any good faith argument.

Of course he's not, he's just a troll. Other people read the posts, though, so some things are worth saying for the sake of discussion.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:32 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:As for being "White" and "White culture", that's a difficult and complex thing to try to articulate into words. It's like being asked to describe what it means to be human, but even more specific. It's more of a visceral feeling, like music. We're more emotional, more abstract, more individualistic than most others, among other things.


ah, so having white skin means you’re more emotional?

the funny thing is that within a day or so, you’ll be back at the whole “I’m not a racist!” shtick and you’ll pretend you never said this.

Fine, I'm racist, then. All peoples are different and I unironically appreciate that human diversity. I just want my boundaries.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:33 pm

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No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


Fucking what? Do you know anything about European history? The cornerstone of European civilization, Rome and its subsequent republic and empire, were famously legalistic.

I know and that's why I'm not 1 of the Western loving, "defend our culture" crowd. I oppose that totalitarian crap.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 4:35 pm

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No it makes zero sense. This evil man deserves to go to prison for decades. Somalia is a prefect example of what happens when you don't have a functioning government.

Your idealism has never worked and never will.


No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


Wow so your completely ignorant of history too. Laws developed because once people began to stay in one place as opposed to being nomads it was essential to have rules in place. I can't believe I have to explain this. Did you pay attention in history class at all?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:35 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:Another thing I want to address is this "White Supremacy" trash that you all keep regurgitating. The average Euro and diaspora has been exploited, held in poverty and sacrificed on battlefields like an expendable resource for over a thousand years. It's not "White Supremacy" when 99% of Euros are treated like human garbage by their ruling classes and sacrificed en masse and abused for their benefit. Add in how we've been oppressed and genetically domesticated by law enforcement and it's clear that the 1st and foremost victims of "White supremacy" are Europeans themselves.


so what you’re saying is that white people have been exploited too, so racism doesn’t exist?

No, racism definitely exists, but I think perpetuating this "White supremacy" canard is ignorant and tone deaf. I support the decolonization of all people, especially my own.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm

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Fucking what? Do you know anything about European history? The cornerstone of European civilization, Rome and its subsequent republic and empire, were famously legalistic.

I know and that's why I'm not 1 of the Western loving, "defend our culture" crowd. I oppose that totalitarian crap.


But it entirely disproves your nonsensical bullshit. Every civilization sprung not from the absence of laws but from a combination of sedentary agriculture and early law systems. Like, this is basic history, how do you not only fail to grasp it but somehow manage to think the exact opposite.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon May 16, 2022 4:38 pm

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No it makes zero sense. This evil man deserves to go to prison for decades. Somalia is a prefect example of what happens when you don't have a functioning government.

Your idealism has never worked and never will.


No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


so Africans didn’t evolve for “that level of development” and need law enforcement to keep them in check, while the peaceful europeans don’t? do you have evidence for this?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:
No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


Wow so your completely ignorant of history too. Laws developed because once people began to stay in one place as opposed to being nomads it was essential to have rules in place. I can't believe I have to explain this. Did you pay attention in history class at all?

There is a difference between tribal conduct and societal law. Societal law is mainly to facilitate the monopoly on violence and to protect the economic supremacy of the financial classes. I strongly doubt Western civilization would've been stunted with more horizontal leadership instead of our oligarchical impotus.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 4:45 pm

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Wow so your completely ignorant of history too. Laws developed because once people began to stay in one place as opposed to being nomads it was essential to have rules in place. I can't believe I have to explain this. Did you pay attention in history class at all?

There is a difference between tribal conduct and societal law. Societal law is mainly to facilitate the monopoly on violence and to protect the economic supremacy of the financial classes. I strongly doubt Western civilization would've been stunted with more horizontal leadership instead of our oligarchical impotus.


You are so idealist and naive its not possible to take you seriously. What should happen to Buffalo shooter? You want no jails, no police and no courts? What therefore should happen? Should we just have The Purge?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:46 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:I know and that's why I'm not 1 of the Western loving, "defend our culture" crowd. I oppose that totalitarian crap.


But it entirely disproves your nonsensical bullshit. Every civilization sprung not from the absence of laws but from a combination of sedentary agriculture and early law systems. Like, this is basic history, how do you not only fail to grasp it but somehow manage to think the exact opposite.

Those law systems are not necessary, at least not now. We had tribal conduct that selected for cooperation and an environment that also encouraged it. Then we went too far into self domestication by obsessively selecting against "criminality", which is actually just competitive human behavior. The cost has been too high. Euros, especially Western ones now have extremely limited cognitive variety and excessively domesticated genetics, which I assert is what caused the creation of this mass shooter.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:54 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:
No, Somalia is what happens when an African country becomes overpopulated due to Westerners and then exacerbated by Western technology like firearms. Africans did not naturally evolve for a population that big and for that level of development. My "idealism" only applies to Europeans. We do not need and have never needed law enforcement. Our civilizations literally 1st developed from the absence of laws.


so Africans didn’t evolve for “that level of development” and need law enforcement to keep them in check, while the peaceful europeans don’t? do you have evidence for this?

What Africans do is their business and the European wars a result of oligarchs sending people to die. It doesn't make someone inherently violent when they're manipulated and coerced into slaughter by their rulers. My evidence is natural selection, evolution and domestication. Humans are a part of the animal kingdom, not above it and we are at the mercy of biological mechanics like any other species.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2022 4:56 pm

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But it entirely disproves your nonsensical bullshit. Every civilization sprung not from the absence of laws but from a combination of sedentary agriculture and early law systems. Like, this is basic history, how do you not only fail to grasp it but somehow manage to think the exact opposite.

Those law systems are not necessary, at least not now. We had tribal conduct that selected for cooperation and an environment that also encouraged it. Then we went too far into self domestication by obsessively selecting against "criminality", which is actually just competitive human behavior. The cost has been too high. Euros, especially Western ones now have extremely limited cognitive variety and excessively domesticated genetics, which I assert is what caused the creation of this mass shooter.


This is genuinely so schizo I can barely understand it. You don't understand law and crime, you don't understand history (the claim that Europeans were cooperative is hilarious, one of the largest known Bronze Age battlefields is in northern Germany and took place between two European groups that we otherwise know nothing about), you really don't understand genetics. It's like you're living in an entirely different world.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 4:58 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:There is a difference between tribal conduct and societal law. Societal law is mainly to facilitate the monopoly on violence and to protect the economic supremacy of the financial classes. I strongly doubt Western civilization would've been stunted with more horizontal leadership instead of our oligarchical impotus.


You are so idealist and naive its not possible to take you seriously. What should happen to Buffalo shooter? You want no jails, no police and no courts? What therefore should happen? Should we just have The Purge?

I'm not that idealistic. Rulers use law to monopolize power. Remember how ancient kings were the only ones that could commune with the gods? I already told you about the shooter. Whoever were to get his hands on him decides his fate. I know you don't like this, but that is part of human autonomy and the State doesn't have the right to monopolize it.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 5:06 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:Those law systems are not necessary, at least not now. We had tribal conduct that selected for cooperation and an environment that also encouraged it. Then we went too far into self domestication by obsessively selecting against "criminality", which is actually just competitive human behavior. The cost has been too high. Euros, especially Western ones now have extremely limited cognitive variety and excessively domesticated genetics, which I assert is what caused the creation of this mass shooter.


This is genuinely so schizo I can barely understand it. You don't understand law and crime, you don't understand history (the claim that Europeans were cooperative is hilarious, one of the largest known Bronze Age battlefields is in northern Germany and took place between two European groups that we otherwise know nothing about), you really don't understand genetics. It's like you're living in an entirely different world.

No, you don't understand. Warfare does not exclude cooperation; warfare is competition between groups. Europeans are cooperative at the interpersonal (tribal) level and this would've eventually carried over to the societal as nation states formed, just with a higher ( and desirable) level of interpersonal competition. I understand genetics far better than you and this is a simple matter of cause and effect. Euros have been obsessively selecting against individual competitive traits and are now excessively domesticated. Another huge driver of interpersonal violence has been alcohol, which Europeans have an intimate history with. I know all the shit I'm hitting you with is new, but it's not schizo.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2022 5:11 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:I understand genetics far better than you


No, you do not. This is genuinely some Lysenkoist style shit in how detached it is from reality. You'd actually be laughed out of a class on the topic.

Indomitable Friendship wrote:I know all the shit I'm hitting you with is new, but it's not schizo.


No it's not new I've been talking to racists online for 10 years, the only thing different about your posts is that it's even more pseudo-scientific than most, and that's saying something.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 16, 2022 5:15 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
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You are so idealist and naive its not possible to take you seriously. What should happen to Buffalo shooter? You want no jails, no police and no courts? What therefore should happen? Should we just have The Purge?

I'm not that idealistic. Rulers use law to monopolize power. Remember how ancient kings were the only ones that could commune with the gods? I already told you about the shooter. Whoever were to get his hands on him decides his fate. I know you don't like this, but that is part of human autonomy and the State doesn't have the right to monopolize it.


You are ridiculously idealistic to the point where it’s apparent you live in another reality. Your completely ignorant of many things two of them being history and law and order.

There needs to be someone to lead and make law when people are in one place. Even the animal kingdom has leaders and rules.

Your stupid statement about the shooting is insulting to the victims. It’s as if you want this to keep happening because law and order is wrong to you.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon May 16, 2022 5:17 pm

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Indomitable Friendship wrote:I understand genetics far better than you


No, you do not. This is genuinely some Lysenkoist style shit in how detached it is from reality. You'd actually be laughed out of a class on the topic.

Indomitable Friendship wrote:I know all the shit I'm hitting you with is new, but it's not schizo.


No it's not new I've been talking to racists online for 10 years, the only thing different about your posts is that it's even more pseudo-scientific than most, and that's saying something.

All you have to offer is snide remarks, whereas I can objectively prove my theories with evidence: Belyaev's foxes, prisoner testosterone, heritability and so on and so forth. Anyway, this all off topic.

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