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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:34 am

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Senkaku wrote:What’s wrong with the present balance of power? The Americans are still in, the Russians are still out, and the Germans are still down, it seems pretty good to me.

this is incredibly poor bait

mafia petrostates reducing their weak neighbors to vassalage is actually geopolitical revolutionary praxis
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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:40 am

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Hukhalia wrote:this is incredibly poor bait

mafia petrostates reducing their weak neighbors to vassalage is actually geopolitical revolutionary praxis

It's rather amusing -- people who oppose the interests of weaker geopolitical powers off of the base of ethical or political concerns regarding the nature of such powers, in spite of their general criticism towards US hegemony, are the same kind of people who'll argue that electoralism in favour of Biden/the Democrats is "the lesser evil".

Fracturing the imperialist camp and intensifying these fractures can only serve to further damage the imperial system and eventually bring it crashing down. It nearly happened once before, it can happen again. If this means that we must hedge our bets on Russia opposing US influence, that's regrettable but nevertheless a necessary step. After all, it's "the lesser evil".
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Postby Heloin » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:54 am

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Hukhalia wrote:I see this objective as a necessary evil to challenge the present European balance of power.

What’s wrong with the present balance of power? The Americans are still in, the Russians are still out, and the Germans are still down, it seems pretty good to me.

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Postby Kubra » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:59 am

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Hukhalia wrote:I see this objective as a necessary evil to challenge the present European balance of power.

What’s wrong with the present balance of power? The Americans are still in, the Russians are still out, and the Germans are still down, it seems pretty good to me.
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Postby Cosmic79 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:06 am

The nation of major poo wrote:https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2021/11/20/russia-preparing-to-attack-ukraine-by-late-january-ukraine-defense-intelligence-agency-chief/

Russia has more than 92,000 troops amassed around Ukraine’s borders and is preparing for an attack by the end of January or beginning of February, the head of Ukraine’s defense intelligence agency told Military Times.

Such an attack would likely involve airstrikes, artillery and armor attacks followed by airborne assaults in the east, amphibious assaults in Odessa and Mariupul and a smaller incursion through neighboring Belarus, Ukraine Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told Military Times Saturday morning in an exclusive interview.

Russia’s large-scale Zapad 21 military exercise earlier this year proved, for instance, that they can drop upwards of 3,500 airborne and special operations troops at once, he said.

The attack Russia is preparing, said Budanov, would be far more devastating than anything before seen in the conflict that began in 2014 that has seen some 14,000 Ukrainians killed.

Speaking to the Washington Post on Friday, Ukraine’s new Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said it was unclear whether Russian President Vladimir Putin has yet decided to attack.

But Russia is building capacity to do so, Budanov told Military Times, increasing troop levels and weapons systems in occupied Crimea and staging systems like Iskandar short-range ballistic missile systems and other weapons elsewhere near the border. And he scoffed at suggestions that the brutal weather conditions during that time of the year would dissuade the Russians from attacking.

“It is no problem for us and the Russians,” Budanov said of fighting in the frigid weather.

Any such attack, however, would first follow a series of psychological operations currently underway designed to destabilize Ukraine and undermine its ability to fight, said Budanov, speaking through an interpreter.


It seems a conflict between Ukraine and Russia is on the horizon. What do you think NSG? Will the USA and NATO get involved? Can Ukraine withstand a Russian invasion? Could Russia attack even earlier than thought? Discuss


Judging from Europe's inaction, they will react to Russia's expansionism after they reach French borders.

But for real, Russia wants to invade and annex both the Baltic nations and Ukraine to create a bigger buffer zone between them and Europe and ensure the safety of the mafia that rules the nation. This would also ensure that they'll get to keep the stolen land in the region of crimea and, by extent, a sea port in the area. If they believe that they can invade and keep Ukraine, they will do so.

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Postby Hukhalia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:15 am

Cosmic79 wrote:the stolen land in the region of crimea

the residents of crimea don't seem to agree with your description there
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Postby Dystopian Florida » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:17 am

If the Nazi regime in Kiev wants war, it can have a war. It will be the Democrats' fault, too, for pushing aid to the stormtroopers in eastern Ukraine to "resist" Putin. No one's awarding Putin any prizes, and yes, it's true that Trump lent the Ukrainian SS their aid (after the supposedly impeachable attempt to horsetrade with their puppet President), but the fact remains that Obama went against his own better judgment and undid his own earlier earlier attempts to reset relations with Russia by taking this absurd path along with his insane vendetta against Assad.
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Postby Hrstrovokia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:23 am

Makes little sense for Russia to attack. Yes, it has demonstrated an ability to go on the offensive against Georgia and the annexation of Crimea. The scale of conflict that would occur following an invasion of Ukraine and the consequences - economic sanctions, blockades, pariah status - plus having to hold parts of Ukraine that are firmly Ukrainian. It would be far too great.

It's more likely that the Americans and Ukrainians are posturing to get some kind of defensive aid bill or defence budget improvements coming.

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Postby Dystopian Florida » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:59 am

Hrstrovokia wrote:Makes little sense for Russia to attack. Yes, it has demonstrated an ability to go on the offensive against Georgia and the annexation of Crimea. The scale of conflict that would occur following an invasion of Ukraine and the consequences - economic sanctions, blockades, pariah status - plus having to hold parts of Ukraine that are firmly Ukrainian. It would be far too great.

It's more likely that the Americans and Ukrainians are posturing to get some kind of defensive aid bill or defence budget improvements coming.


Precisely. These are the same idiots whose performative outrage over delaying aid to Nazi stormtroopers in eastern Ukraine led to the bogus impeachment of The Donald as if he had committed high treason or something.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:05 pm

Ukrainian and Belarus will be annexed Fully or Partially by Russia in our lifetime. The Baltics are probably safe since NATO doesn't screw around and Russia knows as such.
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Postby Cosmic79 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:20 pm

Hrstrovokia wrote:Makes little sense for Russia to attack. Yes, it has demonstrated an ability to go on the offensive against Georgia and the annexation of Crimea. The scale of conflict that would occur following an invasion of Ukraine and the consequences - economic sanctions, blockades, pariah status - plus having to hold parts of Ukraine that are firmly Ukrainian. It would be far too great.

It's more likely that the Americans and Ukrainians are posturing to get some kind of defensive aid bill or defence budget improvements coming.


That's true but, on the other hand, the rest of the world isn't exactly willing to stop an invasion on European soil.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:08 pm

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Senkaku wrote:mafia petrostates reducing their weak neighbors to vassalage is actually geopolitical revolutionary praxis

It's rather amusing -- people who oppose the interests of weaker geopolitical powers off of the base of ethical or political concerns regarding the nature of such powers, in spite of their general criticism towards US hegemony, are the same kind of people who'll argue that electoralism in favour of Biden/the Democrats is "the lesser evil".

Sorry that I’m not willing to stake my life on an accelerationist just-so story?

Fracturing the imperialist camp and intensifying these fractures can only serve to further damage the imperial system and eventually bring it crashing down.

Russia restoring one of the traditional provinces of its empire would not be “fracturing the imperialist camp,” it’s just… strengthening a different imperialist camp. Great-power politicking and empire-building is not revolutionary in any sense. Ukraine isn’t even in NATO; if the Russians do launch a full-scale invasion (which is mercifully unlikely) you’ll just be cheering on a war of aggression by an imperial power against a weak and defenseless neighbor— and you can bet the West will shrug and move on with their lives, because Mariupol being razed to the ground by artillery fire or whatever really wouldn’t affect anyone besides maybe having to strengthen the fence lines on the Polish border.
It nearly happened once before, it can happen again.

This is a weird and contorted way of saying “it’s never happened before but I really hope it will this time!”
If this means that we must hedge our bets on Russia opposing US influence, that's regrettable but nevertheless a necessary step. After all, it's "the lesser evil".

You haven’t demonstrated how a Russian takeover would meaningfully weaken the American empire or global capitalism. You just want an excuse to cheer on a war that sticks a finger in Uncle Sam’s eye and causes a few embarrassing news cycles for the American empire, because you engage with socialist ideas more as media-cultural tools for interpersonal provocation than as serious plans for political change.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:10 pm

Heloin wrote:
Senkaku wrote:What’s wrong with the present balance of power? The Americans are still in, the Russians are still out, and the Germans are still down, it seems pretty good to me.

Albanian Hegemony when?

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Ah, so if you acknowledge that Europhobia actually exists, you must be a literal Nazi or something like that, hmm?


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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:12 pm

Cosmic79 wrote:
Hrstrovokia wrote:Makes little sense for Russia to attack. Yes, it has demonstrated an ability to go on the offensive against Georgia and the annexation of Crimea. The scale of conflict that would occur following an invasion of Ukraine and the consequences - economic sanctions, blockades, pariah status - plus having to hold parts of Ukraine that are firmly Ukrainian. It would be far too great.

It's more likely that the Americans and Ukrainians are posturing to get some kind of defensive aid bill or defence budget improvements coming.


That's true but, on the other hand, the rest of the world isn't exactly willing to stop an invasion on European soil.

Ukraine isn’t “European soil” in any politically meaningful sense to the outside world. Were the Russians to invade, I’m sure we’d hear some sound and fury from DC & Brussels (sanctions, blah blah), but they’ve never been in the driver’s seat in the past few years of turmoil in Ukraine— they’ve mostly been observing to see how it turns out and occasionally trying to defuse things without getting sucked in themselves. If the Russians attacked, the EU and NATO would happily cut the Ukrainians loose— because what would really change for the West? Ukraine has always been in Russia’s sphere of influence and we managed just fine; it’s a shame that the Ukrainians who didn’t feel that arrangement suited them would be crushed, but the important thing in Western capitals is to keep the gas on and avoid nuclear war, not to coddle Ukrainian human rights activists.
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Postby Dystopian Florida » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:13 pm

We should support Greater Albania and Greater Serbia at once. Give Kosovo to Albania and compensate Serbia with the return of Montenegro. As for Bosnia, just give the Serb part to Serbia, the Croat part to Croatia, and let the Bosniak Muslims keep their microstate, perhaps in alliance with Albania for better security.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:14 pm

This war has been impending for like 7 years hurry up and do it already or stop talking about it
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Postby East Asia and the Pacific Islands » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:14 pm

Cosmic79 wrote:
Hrstrovokia wrote:Makes little sense for Russia to attack. Yes, it has demonstrated an ability to go on the offensive against Georgia and the annexation of Crimea. The scale of conflict that would occur following an invasion of Ukraine and the consequences - economic sanctions, blockades, pariah status - plus having to hold parts of Ukraine that are firmly Ukrainian. It would be far too great.

It's more likely that the Americans and Ukrainians are posturing to get some kind of defensive aid bill or defence budget improvements coming.


That's true but, on the other hand, the rest of the world isn't exactly willing to stop an invasion on European soil.

The UN might send peacekeepers if they were really generous
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:17 pm

Dystopian Florida wrote:We should support Greater Albania and Greater Serbia at once. Give Kosovo to Albania and compensate Serbia with the return of Montenegro. As for Bosnia, just give the Serb part to Serbia, the Croat part to Croatia, and let the Bosniak Muslims keep their microstate, perhaps in alliance with Albania for better security.

You mean Worse Albania and Greater Serbia?

Giving Kosovo to Albania is an awful idea. Kosovo will be subjected to the hellstate and will be tortured for eternity under their brutal grip. We need to unite as one to destroy Albania before Albania destroys us and establishes their hellstate dystopia over the world.

I believe by alliance of security, you mean alliance of Bosniak Muslims are forced to do whatever evil deeds the hellstate wants
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This war has been impending for like 7 years hurry up and do it already or stop talking about it

Yeah, even with oil riding high, I really doubt the Russians want the pain in the ass entailed by occupying a whole big-ass country.
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Postby Dystopian Florida » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:24 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:This war has been impending for like 7 years hurry up and do it already or stop talking about it

Yeah, even with oil riding here, I really doubt the Russians want the pain in the ass entailed by occupying a whole big-ass country.


Not until they have the logistical means to accomplish that. Which is why the alarmist books of the late 90s and early 2000s by neo-con hawks are so laughable. Russia was in worse economic shape back then than she is today. Not to mention badly demoralized. The idea of Russia occupying most of Europe, including Germany and France as postulated in such scenarios, would still be bizarre today, even more so back in that time. It's much like that Red Dawn 2012 remake. The 80s version pushed the envelope of realism, but the North Korean angle of the remake was downright absurd.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:33 pm

Dystopian Florida wrote:We should support Greater Albania and Greater Serbia at once. Give Kosovo to Albania and compensate Serbia with the return of Montenegro. As for Bosnia, just give the Serb part to Serbia, the Croat part to Croatia, and let the Bosniak Muslims keep their microstate, perhaps in alliance with Albania for better security.

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Dystopian Florida wrote:We should support Greater Albania and Greater Serbia at once. Give Kosovo to Albania and compensate Serbia with the return of Montenegro. As for Bosnia, just give the Serb part to Serbia, the Croat part to Croatia, and let the Bosniak Muslims keep their microstate, perhaps in alliance with Albania for better security.

I would fully support a 3 state Balkan Solution


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Postby Absolon-7 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:50 pm

The nation of major poo wrote:https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2021/11/20/russia-preparing-to-attack-ukraine-by-late-january-ukraine-defense-intelligence-agency-chief/

Russia has more than 92,000 troops amassed around Ukraine’s borders and is preparing for an attack by the end of January or beginning of February, the head of Ukraine’s defense intelligence agency told Military Times.

Such an attack would likely involve airstrikes, artillery and armor attacks followed by airborne assaults in the east, amphibious assaults in Odessa and Mariupul and a smaller incursion through neighboring Belarus, Ukraine Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told Military Times Saturday morning in an exclusive interview.

Russia’s large-scale Zapad 21 military exercise earlier this year proved, for instance, that they can drop upwards of 3,500 airborne and special operations troops at once, he said.

The attack Russia is preparing, said Budanov, would be far more devastating than anything before seen in the conflict that began in 2014 that has seen some 14,000 Ukrainians killed.

Speaking to the Washington Post on Friday, Ukraine’s new Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said it was unclear whether Russian President Vladimir Putin has yet decided to attack.

But Russia is building capacity to do so, Budanov told Military Times, increasing troop levels and weapons systems in occupied Crimea and staging systems like Iskandar short-range ballistic missile systems and other weapons elsewhere near the border. And he scoffed at suggestions that the brutal weather conditions during that time of the year would dissuade the Russians from attacking.

“It is no problem for us and the Russians,” Budanov said of fighting in the frigid weather.

Any such attack, however, would first follow a series of psychological operations currently underway designed to destabilize Ukraine and undermine its ability to fight, said Budanov, speaking through an interpreter.


It seems a conflict between Ukraine and Russia is on the horizon. What do you think NSG? Will the USA and NATO get involved? Can Ukraine withstand a Russian invasion? Could Russia attack even earlier than thought? Discuss


After the past fake outs of a possible invasion I'd just like to say that at the end of the Boy Who Cried Wolf there really came a wolf.

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Postby Vystercia-Nasucrea » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:12 pm

Whatever it takes to crush National Socialism, so be it. And since the Ukraine is a Nazi state, so be it.
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Vikanias wrote:Well shit boys it’s WWIII, see ya on the frontlines.

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