American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[San Lumen]

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Faux News is leading with the search for Brian Laundrie; the WSJ Editorial Report was all about Hunter Biden's emails (really). Outside the Trump unreality bubble folks are moving on.

Yet the party base won't. I would not put it past them to attempt to overturn any election they lose next year or refuse to hand over power if lose a state legislature.

[Kowani]

they
do
not
give
a
shit

Then they will watch as the country tears itself asunder like John Dickinson predicated.

yes, the end result of the past few decades of apocalyptic rhetoric combined with demographic shifts/changing party strengths has put many of them in the position where they would rather the country burn than lose
saying "but if they do that then Bad Things will happen" doesn't mean shit
they know

[Postauthoritarian America]

Overturning an election will lead to mass protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

they know that too
this is part of the plan
you are dealing with a party that would rather let the country burn than lose power
it's time to start recalibrating your expectations

We have dueling interpretations of the state of democracy in the US from unrepentant neoconservative Robert Kagan in the WaPo and MSM stan Jack Shafer in Politico. Shafer's and other's faith in bipartisan centrism is certainly touching but I fear tragically misplaced. As for Kagan, his appeal to anti-Trump Republicans to do something, anything, is both futile and needless. The Romneys, McConnells, Sasses, Cheneys and Kinzigers don't need another 4,000 word essay from Kagan's overworked pen to tell them what is happening or what the stakes are. They know, and to whatever degree they have chosen to tolerate and enable the madman of Mar-a-Lago, his pathologies and his white supremacist authoritarian insurrection. And it's not reluctance or calculation on the part of Democrats that keeps a "Constitutional Republican" faction from forming as Kagan suggests, it's the utter lack of will or commitment from his entirely theoretical "centrist" Republicans; a lack of will that may yet result in the US defaulting on its sovereign debt if not an actual honest-to-God coup.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Faux News is leading with the search for Brian Laundrie; the WSJ Editorial Report was all about Hunter Biden's emails (really). Outside the Trump unreality bubble folks are moving on.

Yet the party base won't. I would not put it past them to attempt to overturn any election they lose next year or refuse to hand over power if lose a state legislature.

So is Hunter going to be the new Hilary since they are both going mental over emails belonging to them?

[Genivaria]

I always thought/heard that once the Night of the Long Knives happened, the military as a whole pretty much came to support Hitler. There were a few exceptions (both then and throughout his regime), but Hitler ultimately gave the military a lot of what they wanted. The Reichswehr had been secretly pursuing rearmament during the interwar period (now they could pursue it freely), and the more radical/problematic elements of the Nazi party had been dealt with.

EDIT: The German military leadership also supported the idea of war against Germany's enemies. Their reservation was that Hitler was being too fast and too aggressive. They were also not supporters of German democracy by any means.

Yes, but that's an important distinction. Hitler didn't ally with the military, an alliance implies that both parties retain separate agency. Hitler forcibly subordinated the military to the Nazi Party.

I've no idea if there's actual evidence of this but this reminds me of the film Downfall in that famous scene where Hitler loses his shit and wishes he had purged the military like Stalin did.

[Gravlen]

the claims aren’t supposed to add up. they know it’s bullshit. the objective is to maintain a constant drumbeat of lunacy so when state legislatures have to certify an election, the maniacs in the base threaten them with death if they don’t overturn it for republicans
it's the same trick that the right-wing media apparatus has always pulled-keeping people angry and afraid all the time so they can justify pushing the boundaries of what is permissible

Sort of similar to the response to the Benghazi controversy, then? Keep the war drums beating, keep the fires hot, keep the base pissed off and energized?

People seldom read past the headlines, and when they do you just have to keep the spin going to keep them angry.

Regardless of the audit confirming Biden's win and revealing no evidence to validate claims of massive fraud, some have made assertions to the contrary. Trump himself released a statement maintaining that "Massive fraud was found in the Arizona Forensic Audit" and the "numbers are Election Changing!"

Just turn up the propaganda if things doesn't go your way, and make it seem like it did.

[Tarsonis]

Yes, but that's an important distinction. Hitler didn't ally with the military, an alliance implies that both parties retain separate agency. Hitler forcibly subordinated the military to the Nazi Party.

I've no idea if there's actual evidence of this but this reminds me of the film Downfall in that famous scene where Hitler loses his shit and wishes he had purged the military like Stalin did.

So do I. He would have lost far sooner without Rommel making mincemeat of the French and British

[Gravlen]

Explain how 'being rich' is an achievement and not a moral failing.

Amazon making more products available, at lower prices, allowing people to increase their standard of living isn’t a good thing? Those who are rich because of this success are moral failures?

In free enterprise, you “get rich” by selling products and services that people want. The more people who benefit from their transactions with you, the more money you bring in.

If someone takes over the marketplace, are we still talking about a free market?

[Deblar]

Amazon making more products available, at lower prices, allowing people to increase their standard of living isn’t a good thing? Those who are rich because of this success are moral failures?

In free enterprise, you “get rich” by selling products and services that people want. The more people who benefit from their transactions with you, the more money you bring in.

If someone takes over the marketplace, are we still talking about a free market?

Of course.

As long as you’re the one controlling said marketplace

[Galloism]

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Faux News is leading with the search for Brian Laundrie; the WSJ Editorial Report was all about Hunter Biden's emails (really). Outside the Trump unreality bubble folks are moving on.

They should team up with OJ who's still looking for the real killer.

[Gravlen]

Worker safety in the Golden State

California has become the first state to implement a law that addresses working conditions for warehouse workers, like those for Amazon and other major companies.

Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom signed AB 701, which takes effect in the new year, into law on Wednesday. The law aims to address the impact of quotas on worker injuries and health.

It establishes new standards for companies to make clear to warehouse staff what their production quotas are. The legislation ensures workers cannot be fired or retaliated against for failing to meet an unsafe quota.

"We cannot allow corporations to put profit over people. The hardworking warehouse employees who have helped sustain us during these unprecedented times should not have to risk injury or face punishment as a result of exploitative quotas that violate basic health and safety," Newsom said in a statement.

"I'm proud to sign this legislation giving them the dignity, respect and safety they deserve and advancing California's leadership at the forefront of workplace safety."

Under this law, the state Labor Commission is given the authority to issue citations to companies in violation. The department is also allowed to access workers' compensation data to find facilities where there are high rates of injury and investigate whether it's due to the use of unsafe quotas. The law also bars the use of algorithms that track rests and bathroom breaks and specifically prohibits the firing of workers for failing to meet unsafe quotas because they were on a rest or bathroom break or during compliance with health and safety laws.

"We cannot allow corporations to put profit over people."
You must be new here.

In case there was a danger of corporations putting people over profit, Marco Rubio has now introduced a bill which allows shareholders to sue the companies if they do anything of the sort.

[Cannot think of a name]

The Chair of the Arizona GOP is now calling for another audit

Faux News is leading with the search for Brian Laundrie; the WSJ Editorial Report was all about Hunter Biden's emails (really). Outside the Trump unreality bubble folks are moving on.

That's by design. You don't want full coverage. Full coverage would reveal that not only have these been increasingly pointless, expensive, and hapazard but at best...at best they have exposed levels of petty fraud by Repbulicans like fake ballot boxes and paying a candidate to run that has the same name as your opponent. Real actual things done in the election.

You keep a thing like this on simmer and let people move on while still stewing it. The people outside partisan bubbles cease caring, but when it comes around again and they have to engage for half a second for another election that low boil is still there. A bunch of contradicting headlines are all there in the hopes that they read it as an actual controversy that has had developments when the reality is it's been one long sustained dry hump.

[Kowani]

we're in the endgame now
Pelosi wants the everything-Government funding, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, and the Reconciliation Bill-passed this week

and reconciliation is reported favourably out of the Budget Committee! (even with Rep. Scott Peters (D-CA) voting "no"

[Galloism]

we're in the endgame now
Pelosi wants the everything-Government funding, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, and the Reconciliation Bill-passed this week

and reconciliation is reported favourably out of the Budget Committee! (even with Rep. Scott Peters (D-CA) voting "no"

Come on, give me a nice juicy residential solar tax credit boost!

[Antipatros]

Huawei CFO strikes agreement with U.S. over fraud charges, allowing her to leave Canada

U.S. Republican senators slam release of Huawei's Meng

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Then they will watch as the country tears itself asunder like John Dickinson predicated.

yes, the end result of the past few decades of apocalyptic rhetoric combined with demographic shifts/changing party strengths has put many of them in the position where they would rather the country burn than lose
saying "but if they do that then Bad Things will happen" doesn't mean shit
they know

I can assure all of you, a point of view we don't share.

[Kowani]

yes, the end result of the past few decades of apocalyptic rhetoric combined with demographic shifts/changing party strengths has put many of them in the position where they would rather the country burn than lose
saying "but if they do that then Bad Things will happen" doesn't mean shit
they know

I can assure all of you, a point of view we don't share.

yeah im not dealing with you again, GMS
block list it is

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

I can assure all of you, a point of view we don't share.

yeah im not dealing with you again, GMS
block list it is

ok I have to respect your wishes again, but I for one don't place any persons on ignore for strongly disagreeing with their political views, or any reasons, and I am very proud of it. GMS.

[Necroghastia]

yeah im not dealing with you again, GMS
block list it is

ok I have to respect your wishes again, but I for one don't place any persons on ignore for strongly disagreeing with their political views, or any reasons, and I am very proud of it. GMS.

speaking personally, i put people on blocklists for making incoherent, grammarless excuses for arguments, never taking advice on how to improve said arguments, and also making a horde of puppets to post from so people who get tired of that behavior have to play whack-a-mole with their blocklists

[Diahon]

trump
he just
he admitted to everything
he's complaining about not getting what he wants
out
fucking
loud

[Antipatros]

trump
he just
he admitted to everything
he's complaining about not getting what he wants
out
fucking
loud

I got lost in the stream of consciousness and didn't realize that it looped until I got 15 seconds into the second run.

[North Washington Republic]

trump
he just
he admitted to everything
he's complaining about not getting what he wants
out
fucking
loud

You act like your shocked. If so, why are you? The mother fucker our tried to overthrow government via violent coup, and you’re surprised he admits to attempting to some quid pro quo?

[Diahon]

trump
he just
he admitted to everything
he's complaining about not getting what he wants
out
fucking
loud

I got lost in the stream of consciousness and didn't realize that it looped until I got 15 seconds into the second run.

it just sounds so casual, so droll, doesn't it, his admitting he did what he did to lengthen his murderous misrule?

and yet there that motherfucker lies, bragging instead of being in solitary confinement, bragging instead of suffering for his atrocities, bragging instead of dying, bragging that he did what he wanted but couldn't get everything he wanted instead of getting what he has deserved for spoiling his life and that of hundreds of thousands of others

[Diahon]

trump
he just
he admitted to everything
he's complaining about not getting what he wants
out
fucking
loud

You act like your shocked. If so, why are you? The mother fucker our tried to overthrow government via violent coup, and you’re surprised he admits to attempting to some quid pro quo?

basic self-preservation demands, nay, pleads that he save his malevolence for the private sphere, but i guess all laws are suspended before him

[North Washington Republic]

You act like your shocked. If so, why are you? The mother fucker our tried to overthrow government via violent coup, and you’re surprised he admits to attempting to some quid pro quo?

basic self-preservation demands, nay, pleads that he save his malevolence for the private sphere, but i guess all laws are suspended before him

The dude and his most devoted followers are mentally ill*. He hasn’t been charged for any of the bullshit he tried to pull, and thus he believes he is going get away with it.

*I say this as a person that has multiple diagnosed mental illnesses, so people can save the “you’re weaponizing mental illness”.