American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Thermodolia]

Executive Orders. FDR issued thousands of them to alleviate the Great Depression when Congress stonewalled him. There’s nothing stopping Biden from doing the same

A right wing SCOTUS and a public that would quite literally attempt to murder him if he tries to curtail them is a pretty big obstacle.

Sure but if he frames it as an attempt to keep the economy running I don’t think many would actually care all that much. Besides he could just go full Jackson and tell the court to pound sand

[San Lumen]

Enlighten me.

Executive Orders. FDR issued thousands of them to alleviate the Great Depression when Congress stonewalled him. There’s nothing stopping Biden from doing the same

If the Us Defaults the government can no longer borrow money. No one will lend to us. No one will by treasury bonds. Biden can’t do anything about that. Federal workers and the military wouldn’t get paid, there would be no money to fund the government as we’d be short the required funds, social security checks wouldn’t go out. How does Biden fix that via executive order with money that isn’t there.

FDR wasn’t dealing with a debt default.

Telling the court to pound sand would be political suicide.

[Ifreann]

Right, and it would have been real great if it could have been examined while he was being confirmed and was under oath.

It does please me to imagine Trump wasting money.

Perhaps but remember these aren't traditional legal inquiries, rather they're political inquisition. Paid off debt is a tough sell, and with all the accusations dems we're making about corruption, Republicans would have easily dismissed it out of hand as just more Democrat smears in Trump. I think Feinstein and the dems instead pit all their eggs in the Ford accusation basket.

There was never any possibility of preventing Kavanaugh from being confirmed, but if they'd laid the groundwork then for suspicions about corruption they'd be in a good position now to open impeachment hearings.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A right wing SCOTUS and a public that would quite literally attempt to murder him if he tries to curtail them is a pretty big obstacle.

FDR faced that as well and threatened to pack the courts.. I don't think the public would be that bothered this time either given the sheer obstinacy of the right.

FDR very much did not face that. He was able to actually bully SCOTUS into allowing anything and everything unconstitutional he did, Biden would not be able to do the same. You'd have a hoard of Q types descend on Washington again and they'd probably be armed this time.

[Bombadil]

FDR faced that as well and threatened to pack the courts.. I don't think the public would be that bothered this time either given the sheer obstinacy of the right.

FDR very much did not face that. He was able to actually bully SCOTUS into allowing anything and everything unconstitutional he did

He bullied them by threatening to pack the courts.

Biden would not be able to do the same. You'd have a hoard of Q types descend on Washington again and they'd probably be armed this time.

Haha, sure, in your dreams. Washington would be very much more prepared and very much less stymied by the leader in dealing with those people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

FDR very much did not face that. He was able to actually bully SCOTUS into allowing anything and everything unconstitutional he did, Biden would not be able to do the same. You'd have a hoard of Q types descend on Washington again and they'd probably be armed this time.

Haha, sure, in your dreams. Washington would be very much more prepared and very much less stymied by the leader in dealing with those people.

Because I'm sure "lets hold hands and sing kumbaya" Joe Biden has prepped DC and Capitol Police to deal with another insurgency lol. Short of rolling out the Army or the Marines there's really nothing stopping another Capitol storming from happening, the cops just can't stop a large and determined enough crowd. Doubly so if they actually come armed.

[Thermodolia]

Executive Orders. FDR issued thousands of them to alleviate the Great Depression when Congress stonewalled him. There’s nothing stopping Biden from doing the same

If your Us Defaults the government can no longer borrow money. No one will lend to us. No one will by treasury bonds.

Who said anything about defaulting? The whole debt crisis and budget mess is a creation of congress who decided they wanted to hold the government by the balls. Before 1975 when a budget ended and we didn’t have a replacement we just used last year’s budget. Biden could easily just say that he’s not going to enforce the shutdown law and say he’s going to use last year’s budget to fund everything.

Sure Congress would be pissed but oh well it’s their fault we are in this mess.

Biden can’t do anything about that.

Biden is the chief executive. He can enforce the laws he wants to and not enforce the laws he doesn’t want to. Welcome to EO 101.

Federal workers and the military wouldn’t get paid, there would be no money to fund the government as we’d be short the required funds,

We use last years budget. Problem solved.

social security checks wouldn’t go out.

Social security isn’t funded by appropriations.

How does Biden fix that via executive order with money that isn’t there.

Using a prior budget.

FDR wasn’t dealing with a debt default.

So? He still issued a major fuckton of EOs to fix the situation. I don’t see why Biden can’t do the same.

Telling the court to pound sand would be political suicide.

Uh huh. And how exactly is the court going to enforce its rulings?

[Thermodolia]

Haha, sure, in your dreams. Washington would be very much more prepared and very much less stymied by the leader in dealing with those people.

Because I'm sure "lets hold hands and sing kumbaya" Joe Biden has prepped DC and Capitol Police to deal with another insurgency lol. Short of rolling out the Army or the Marines there's really nothing stopping another Capitol storming from happening, the cops just can't stop a large and determined enough crowd. Doubly so if they actually come armed.

It’s a damn shame that Biden doesn’t have the balls to handle this situation. Now if it was me in charge as President I’m sure we’d all know what would happen

[Bombadil]

Haha, sure, in your dreams. Washington would be very much more prepared and very much less stymied by the leader in dealing with those people.

Because I'm sure "lets hold hands and sing kumbaya" Joe Biden has prepped DC and Capitol Police to deal with another insurgency lol. Short of rolling out the Army or the Marines there's really nothing stopping another Capitol storming from happening, the cops just can't stop a large and determined enough crowd. Doubly so if they actually come armed.

At the first show of force your fantasy army would wet their pants and run. If you think Biden would allow another storming of the Capitol after what happened in January you might as well say the California fires were starting by space lizards.

[Kannap]

She's actually worse than Manchin lol. Joe is clearly just in it for his state but Sinema is just awful.

She’s getting primaried in 2024. A lot of that state democrats do not like her

Good riddance

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because I'm sure "lets hold hands and sing kumbaya" Joe Biden has prepped DC and Capitol Police to deal with another insurgency lol. Short of rolling out the Army or the Marines there's really nothing stopping another Capitol storming from happening, the cops just can't stop a large and determined enough crowd. Doubly so if they actually come armed.

At the first show of force your fantasy army would wet their pants and run. If you think Biden would allow another storming of the Capitol after what happened in January you might as well say the California fires were starting by space lizards.

You seem to have an idealized version of Joe Biden in your head and I hate to tell you but that's just not how he is in reality. He is not a determined or staunch leader, he has rolled over at almost every stage to work with the GOP, who I'll remind you are literally batshit insane, because he wants a return to the good ol days where we work together. If he tried to pack the Court he'd probably die because he's taken no real steps to combat the extremism the GOP has fostered, that's just the reality of it.

[Bombadil]

At the first show of force your fantasy army would wet their pants and run. If you think Biden would allow another storming of the Capitol after what happened in January you might as well say the California fires were starting by space lizards.

You seem to have an idealized version of Joe Biden in your head and I hate to tell you but that's just not how he is in reality. He is not a determined or staunch leader, he has rolled over at almost every stage to work with the GOP, who I'll remind you are literally batshit insane, because he wants a return to the good ol days where we work together. If he tried to pack the Court he'd probably die because he's taken no real steps to combat the extremism the GOP has fostered, that's just the reality of it.

Like I say, if you think not just Biden but the entire administration would allow for the Capitol to be breached again you're sorely mistaken, I think even the Republicans would have to strongly support any action against such a possibility, they could not afford to be seen as acquiescing to a bunch of loonies once more.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You seem to have an idealized version of Joe Biden in your head and I hate to tell you but that's just not how he is in reality. He is not a determined or staunch leader, he has rolled over at almost every stage to work with the GOP, who I'll remind you are literally batshit insane, because he wants a return to the good ol days where we work together. If he tried to pack the Court he'd probably die because he's taken no real steps to combat the extremism the GOP has fostered, that's just the reality of it.

Like I say, if you think not just Biden but the entire administration would allow for the Capitol to be breached again you're sorely mistaken, I think even the Republicans would have to strongly support any action against such a possibility, they could not afford to be seen as acquiescing to a bunch of loonies once more.

Quite the opposite, the GOP would have to support it, because that's what their base wants. It's why the party keeps throwing a wrench into any attempt to look into January 6th and even set up their own sham investigation to whitewash it, because the base by and large supported the storming and the sentiments behind it. Apart from a few holdouts like Liz Cheney the GOP is gone, they've sold themselves out entirely to that extremist wing and it is now the majority. We talk about MTG a lot here and she's actually only become more popular among the Republican base over time, that's the sort of person they want. You can't reason with that, even their lawmakers support it.

[San Lumen]

Like I say, if you think not just Biden but the entire administration would allow for the Capitol to be breached again you're sorely mistaken, I think even the Republicans would have to strongly support any action against such a possibility, they could not afford to be seen as acquiescing to a bunch of loonies once more.

Quite the opposite, the GOP would have to support it, because that's what their base wants. It's why the party keeps throwing a wrench into any attempt to look into January 6th and even set up their own sham investigation to whitewash it, because the base by and large supported the storming and the sentiments behind it. Apart from a few holdouts like Liz Cheney the GOP is gone, they've sold themselves out entirely to that extremist wing and it is now the majority. We talk about MTG a lot here and she's actually only become more popular among the Republican base over time, that's the sort of person they want. You can't reason with that, even their lawmakers support it.

No they wouldn't. Another Capitol storming would utterly doom them in this years elections if it happened this year and if it happened next year bring upon another wave like 2018. They are only saying what they are because they are afraid of Trump. I bet in private they'd say different.

People like MTG will lose them elections in metro areas and statewide elections but if that's the route they want to go down than please proceed.

[Thermodolia]

You seem to have an idealized version of Joe Biden in your head and I hate to tell you but that's just not how he is in reality. He is not a determined or staunch leader, he has rolled over at almost every stage to work with the GOP, who I'll remind you are literally batshit insane, because he wants a return to the good ol days where we work together. If he tried to pack the Court he'd probably die because he's taken no real steps to combat the extremism the GOP has fostered, that's just the reality of it.

Like I say, if you think not just Biden but the entire administration would allow for the Capitol to be breached again you're sorely mistaken, I think even the Republicans would have to strongly support any action against such a possibility, they could not afford to be seen as acquiescing to a bunch of loonies once more.

Unfortunately WRA is right. Instead of being forceful and practically ordering the senate around hes let the republicans do whatever they want.

Instead of ordering mandatory vaccines he’s let republican states stonewall the vaccination effort. He literally wants a bygone era of everyone working together that hasn’t existed since 2009. Biden is quite frankly a doormat. Now the person who could crack heads is currently the VP

[Bombadil]

Like I say, if you think not just Biden but the entire administration would allow for the Capitol to be breached again you're sorely mistaken, I think even the Republicans would have to strongly support any action against such a possibility, they could not afford to be seen as acquiescing to a bunch of loonies once more.

Quite the opposite, the GOP would have to support it, because that's what their base wants. It's why the party keeps throwing a wrench into any attempt to look into January 6th and even set up their own sham investigation to whitewash it, because the base by and large supported the storming and the sentiments behind it.

No, it's because they want to wipe it from memory, and they certainly don't want another.

Anyway, this sort of debate is pointless because you can argue you what you like here.. but you overestimate the ability of Q and supporters and underestimate the power of a federal government..

..and you can say the opposite of me.. la-di-da..

Unfortunately WRA is right. Instead of being forceful and practically ordering the senate around hes let the republicans do whatever they want.

Instead of ordering mandatory vaccines he’s let republican states stonewall the vaccination effort. He literally wants a bygone era of everyone working together that hasn’t existed since 2009. Biden is quite frankly a doormat. Now the person who could crack heads is currently the VP

From a legislative point of view whatever.. but from an allowing another storming of the Capitol point of view.. never going to happen.

[Thermodolia]

Quite the opposite, the GOP would have to support it, because that's what their base wants. It's why the party keeps throwing a wrench into any attempt to look into January 6th and even set up their own sham investigation to whitewash it, because the base by and large supported the storming and the sentiments behind it. Apart from a few holdouts like Liz Cheney the GOP is gone, they've sold themselves out entirely to that extremist wing and it is now the majority. We talk about MTG a lot here and she's actually only become more popular among the Republican base over time, that's the sort of person they want. You can't reason with that, even their lawmakers support it.

No they wouldn't. Another Capitol storming would utterly doom them in this years elections if it happened this year and if it happened next year bring upon another wave like 2018.

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

[San Lumen]

No they wouldn't. Another Capitol storming would utterly doom them in this years elections if it happened this year and if it happened next year bring upon another wave like 2018.

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

If they overturn a free and fair election they will have full scale riots and protests on their hands that would make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No they wouldn't. Another Capitol storming would utterly doom them in this years elections if it happened this year and if it happened next year bring upon another wave like 2018.

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

Exactly this. The GOP doesn't care about driving voters away, they'll just work to remove your ability to vote if you don't support them, and if you win anyways they'll say you cheated and try overturn it. Combine that with the general insanity that has taken over a large chunk of the party and you have a combo that should not be underestimated.

[Thermodolia]

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

If they overturn a free and fair election they will have full scale riots and protests on their hands that would make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

They. Do. Not. Care.

They are fascists Lumen. They want nothing but power and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If they are in power they will not hesitate to use the military or their own goons against the rioters

[The Reformed American Republic]

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

If they overturn a free and fair election they will have full scale riots and protests on their hands that would make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

And they will have their own militias come out to "restore order." Many are looking for a war, so what qualms would they have for overturning a free and fair election?

[San Lumen]

If they overturn a free and fair election they will have full scale riots and protests on their hands that would make the Floyd protests look like nothing.

They. Do. Not. Care.

They are fascists Lumen. They want nothing but power and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If they are in power they will not hesitate to use the military or their own goons against the rioters

Want to tear the country apart? That's how you'd do it.

[Thermodolia]

They don’t fucking care about elections anymore. The whole “stolen election” nonsense is just so that they can use more restrictions on voting and when a close election occurs cast enough doubt that the people believe them allowing them to take office.

The democrats under Biden have done Jack and shit to stop this as they still think they are working with the conservatives of old instead of the fascists they are.

Exactly this. The GOP doesn't care about driving voters away, they'll just work to remove your ability to vote if you don't support them, and if you win anyways they'll say you cheated and try overturn it. Combine that with the general insanity that has taken over a large chunk of the party and you have a combo that should not be underestimated.

It’s a shame we haven’t labeled them a terrorist organization for some of the things they’ve pulled.

Declare the GOP terrorists and seditionists. Arrest any senator/representative/elected official who supported overturning the 2020 election and who refused to vote for impeachment of trump after the Jan 6th with sedition and being a systematic sweep of the military and police for anyone who holds fascist views.

[Thermodolia]

They. Do. Not. Care.

They are fascists Lumen. They want nothing but power and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If they are in power they will not hesitate to use the military or their own goons against the rioters

Want to tear the country apart? That's how you'd do it.

They’ve already set on that path Lumen. They don’t care. They want a civil war

[The Reformed American Republic]

They. Do. Not. Care.

They are fascists Lumen. They want nothing but power and will stop at nothing to achieve it. If they are in power they will not hesitate to use the military or their own goons against the rioters

Want to tear the country apart? That's how you'd do it.

They don't give a damn about the country.