American Politics Thread VI: Can't We All Just Get Along?

[Kilobugya]

Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's lawyers say the new revelations show the FBI investigation into Justice Kavanaugh was a sham.

"Not only did the FBI refuse to interview Dr. Ford or the corroborators....it failed to act on the over 4,500 tips it received about then-nominee Kavanaugh."

4500 tips just ignored? Smells like whitewash to me.

Well, refusing to even interview the accuser is pretty clear sign it was a total sham... the least of the least in an investigation is asking the accuser / victim their version of the facts...

[Myrensis]

I wouldn't say its entire existence. It was the first major abolitionist party in the US.

The GOP=/=The Reps.

The GOP is a faction of the Reps that currently runs the party, but not all Reps are GOPers. Doesn't stop them for voting for them though.

Which makes the distinction pretty meaningless.

"Hey, don't lump me in with those crazies! I don't share their stupid and dangerous beliefs, I just support and empower them because it's politically useful, so see I'm a moderate!".

[New haven america]

The GOP=/=The Reps.

The GOP is a faction of the Reps that currently runs the party, but not all Reps are GOPers. Doesn't stop them for voting for them though.

Which makes the distinction pretty meaningless.

"Hey, don't lump me in with those crazies! I don't share their stupid and dangerous beliefs, I just support and empower them because it's politically useful, so see I'm a moderate!".

Completely agree!

Still though, I'd say the difference is that they're slightly less likely to coup the government, not by much, but slightly less.

[Tarsonis]

Finally, all the senseless murders of the past decades will end. Pray for all the lost lives.

"Murders" and "lost lives" only happen when abortion is illegal, pregnant women having to do dangerous illegal and shady procedures instead of receiving a medical abortion, many dying in the process.

Pray that the Supreme Court hears that the people want the end of abortion.

About 60% of US citizen want abortion to be legal, so the Supreme Court should hear the 40% and ignore the 60% ? That's a weird conception of democracy.

Not to side with wot, here, but the SCOTUS, in theory, shouldn't hear anybody. It's congress' job to respond to the whims of the electorate. SCOTUS should only be concerned with the Constitution.

[San Lumen]

https://www.nola.com/gambit/news/the_la ... 9ec87.html

Louisiana Senate fails to override governor's veto of permitless concealed carry, voter suppression bills

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https://www.nola.com/gambit/news/the_latest/article_cb263f5c-e98c-11eb-bcaa-3b99c779ec87.html

Louisiana Senate fails to override governor's veto of permitless concealed carry, voter suppression bills

That's bad comma good

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Cancel culture out of its mind! See how a triggered snowflake demands the state to ban an icecream for expressing an opinion on something.

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Cancel culture out of its mind! See how a triggered snowflake demands the state to ban an icecream for expressing an opinion on something.

The worst part is it could happen. It would be unconstitutional but American states have already passed unconstitutional pro-Zionist laws. In one state (I believe Texas but I don't remember) people who were getting hurricane/flood relief funds had to sign a contract that they wouldn't support BDS.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.nola.com/gambit/news/the_latest/article_cb263f5c-e98c-11eb-bcaa-3b99c779ec87.html

Louisiana Senate fails to override governor's veto of permitless concealed carry, voter suppression bills

That's bad comma good

Stop saying things I agree with. You know how that makes me cranky

[Myrensis]

Cancel culture out of its mind! See how a triggered snowflake demands the state to ban an icecream for expressing an opinion on something.

The worst part is it could happen. It would be unconstitutional but American states have already passed unconstitutional pro-Zionist laws. In one state (I believe Texas but I don't remember) people who were getting hurricane/flood relief funds had to sign a contract that they wouldn't support BDS.

Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The worst part is it could happen. It would be unconstitutional but American states have already passed unconstitutional pro-Zionist laws. In one state (I believe Texas but I don't remember) people who were getting hurricane/flood relief funds had to sign a contract that they wouldn't support BDS.

Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

It's only freedom of speech if the GOP agrees with what is being said.

[Ifreann]

The worst part is it could happen. It would be unconstitutional but American states have already passed unconstitutional pro-Zionist laws. In one state (I believe Texas but I don't remember) people who were getting hurricane/flood relief funds had to sign a contract that they wouldn't support BDS.

Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

America needs to support Israel so as to bring about the end of the world.

[Tarsonis]

Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's lawyers say the new revelations show the FBI investigation into Justice Kavanaugh was a sham.

"Not only did the FBI refuse to interview Dr. Ford or the corroborators....it failed to act on the over 4,500 tips it received about then-nominee Kavanaugh."

4500 tips just ignored? Smells like whitewash to me.

Well, refusing to even interview the accuser is pretty clear sign it was a total sham... the least of the least in an investigation is asking the accuser / victim their version of the facts...

the whole thing was a sham to begin with

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Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

America needs to support Israel so as to bring about the end of the world.

It is really fucking disturbing that a huge fraction of Congress, maybe 30 or 40 percent literally believe in end times prophecies and imminent apocalypse. People who think that shouldn't be in office because what incentive do they have to govern decently or give a shit? If I was convinced that the world was ending in the next year I'd be railing mephedrone right now.

[Ifreann]

Well, refusing to even interview the accuser is pretty clear sign it was a total sham... the least of the least in an investigation is asking the accuser / victim their version of the facts...

the whole thing was a sham to begin with

Did anyone ever find out what happened with Kavanaugh's debt? Dude was deep in the hole before getting nominated, then suddenly his debts vanished. Weird that this literally never came up in his nomination hearings.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The worst part is it could happen. It would be unconstitutional but American states have already passed unconstitutional pro-Zionist laws. In one state (I believe Texas but I don't remember) people who were getting hurricane/flood relief funds had to sign a contract that they wouldn't support BDS.

Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

Because they're hypocrites just like a great deal of political movements. Freedom for me and not for thee.

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Never ceases to amuse me that the party that is forever screeching about being the true patriot defenders of freedom of speech is obsessed with having the government punish people for failing to love a particular foreign country enough.

Because they're hypocrites just like a great deal of political movements. Freedom for me and not for thee.

I mean IMO that applies to everyone who isn't an anarchist but yeah the hypocrisy is extra bad with the reactionary-right.

I have a test for seeing if someone is truly principled: Name 5 things that personally disgust you that should nonetheless be legal. Most people fail.

[Great Algerstonia]

the whole thing was a sham to begin with

Did anyone ever find out what happened with Kavanaugh's debt? Dude was deep in the hole before getting nominated, then suddenly his debts vanished. Weird that this literally never came up in his nomination hearings.

Well, what does debt have to do with judicial experience? I'd be concerned enough to not vote for someone if they're in debt and are running for a position that is part of economic management, but I don't see a correlation in debt and judicial competency.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Because they're hypocrites just like a great deal of political movements. Freedom for me and not for thee.

I mean IMO that applies to everyone who isn't an anarchist but yeah the hypocrisy is extra bad with the reactionary-right.

I have a test for seeing if someone is truly principled: Name 5 things that personally disgust you that should nonetheless be legal. Most people fail.

No, it applies to anarchists too. Not as visibly intense now, but still.

[Kilobugya]

Did anyone ever find out what happened with Kavanaugh's debt? Dude was deep in the hole before getting nominated, then suddenly his debts vanished. Weird that this literally never came up in his nomination hearings.

Well, what does debt have to do with judicial experience? I'd be concerned enough to not vote for someone if they're in debt and are running for a position that is part of economic management, but I don't see a correlation in debt and judicial competency.

It doesn't have much to do with judicial experience, but it has to do with integrity and leverage. When someone is deeply in debt, the creditors have power on him, can pressure or even blackmail him, casting a doubt on the sincerity of his rulings.

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I mean IMO that applies to everyone who isn't an anarchist but yeah the hypocrisy is extra bad with the reactionary-right.

I have a test for seeing if someone is truly principled: Name 5 things that personally disgust you that should nonetheless be legal. Most people fail.

No, it applies to anarchists too. Not as visibly intense now, but still.

I can't speak for all anarchists but I am an absolutist of the principle that one should be free to do literally anything that does not harm an unconsenting third party.

[Kilobugya]

I can't speak for all anarchists but I am an absolutist of the principle that one should be free to do literally anything that does not harm an unconsenting third party.

Well, I agree with that principle, but in practice it's very rare that something "does not harm an unconsenting third party" at all. So we have to deal in shades of gray, in how high the harm (or risk of harm) to third-party is, in what the consequences of a ban or a legalization would be, and similar. Principles are very important, but being too absolutist about them just can't work in a complicated, interconnected reality.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No, it applies to anarchists too. Not as visibly intense now, but still.

I can't speak for all anarchists but I am an absolutist of the principle that one should be free to do literally anything that does not harm an unconsenting third party.

Well, no, not really. Carrying an American flag doesn't harm an unconsenting third party, but you were ok with your fellow anarchists mistaking him for a fascist and attacking him. You do have restrictions that you would place on expression, even if no one is directly harmed. It's not magically better just because it's not done by state actors. So no, I do not think many movements are principled on that front, but certainly not anarchists.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

America needs to support Israel so as to bring about the end of the world.

It is really fucking disturbing that a huge fraction of Congress, maybe 30 or 40 percent literally believe in end times prophecies and imminent apocalypse. People who think that shouldn't be in office because what incentive do they have to govern decently or give a shit? If I was convinced that the world was ending in the next year I'd be railing mephedrone right now.

Like, biblical apocalypse or evil conspiracy destroys the world apocalypse? Because knowing one produces different results than knowing another.

[Ifreann]

Did anyone ever find out what happened with Kavanaugh's debt? Dude was deep in the hole before getting nominated, then suddenly his debts vanished. Weird that this literally never came up in his nomination hearings.

Well, what does debt have to do with judicial experience? I'd be concerned enough to not vote for someone if they're in debt and are running for a position that is part of economic management, but I don't see a correlation in debt and judicial competency.

It doesn't have anything to do with his judicial experience, but it has everything to do with the integrity of his decisions on the bench. Someone quietly paid off those debts. Whoever that is, Kavanaugh owes them a big favour. And favours from a Supreme Court Justice could be massively consequential. What if this unknown party wants Roe v. Wade overturned?