Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[Thermodolia]

“QUORUM; ADJOURNMENTS FROM DAY TO DAY; COMPELLING ATTENDANCE. Two-thirds of each House shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner and under such penalties as each House may provide.” (The Constitution of the State of Texas, Article 3, Section 10)

Okay, this doesn't apply outside of Texas though. If the legislatures have left Texas, as many have - presumably knowing about this procedure to round them up - then this doesn't mean anything in regards to compelling them to return, by force or otherwise.

California and Illinois aren’t going to do shit if they got extradition requests

[Galloism]

Okay, this doesn't apply outside of Texas though. If the legislatures have left Texas, as many have - presumably knowing about this procedure to round them up - then this doesn't mean anything in regards to compelling them to return, by force or otherwise.

California and Illinois aren’t going to do shit if they got extradition requests

I'm sure they'll schedule an extradition hearing sometime in 2024. The courts are really busy you know.

[Rusozak]

“QUORUM; ADJOURNMENTS FROM DAY TO DAY; COMPELLING ATTENDANCE. Two-thirds of each House shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner and under such penalties as each House may provide.” (The Constitution of the State of Texas, Article 3, Section 10)

Which is nice and all, but does not apply outside of Texas. Police in Texas cannot legally enforce Texas law outside of Texas, and police forces from places outside of Texas cannot enforce Texas law at all. Federal law enforcement itself cannot enforce state law.

So if someone commits a state crime which is not also a federal crime and flees to another state where it's not a crime, there's nothing they can do about it?

Interesting...

[Neutraligon]

Which is nice and all, but does not apply outside of Texas. Police in Texas cannot legally enforce Texas law outside of Texas, and police forces from places outside of Texas cannot enforce Texas law at all. Federal law enforcement itself cannot enforce state law.

So if someone commits a state crime which is not also a federal crime and flees to another state where it's not a crime, there's nothing they can do about it?

Interesting...

Extradition is a thing. A state might in certain cases hold a person and inform the state where the crime occurred that they are holding them...but except in cases of crimes like murder or rape, this tends not to happen. Since refusing to show up is not a crime, although penalties and the like can be applied, there is nothing a police officer can do in another state.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What the fuck is this shit?

This just sounds wrong.

[ImperialRussia]

A-least Texas can return to its glory days not to influenced not foreign democrat voters.

Wait... are you supporting my sovereign Anglo-Latin esoteric state with copious maternalistic green conservatism, cottagecore, and neoclassical pretensions? 'Cuz based. And litty.

Sure

[Fahran]

What the fuck is this shit?

This just sounds wrong.

It's really not. It's much more mundane than folks are making out.

[Galloism]

What the fuck is this shit?

This just sounds wrong.

It's really not. It's much more mundane than folks are making out.

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

[Ethel mermania]

It's really not. It's much more mundane than folks are making out.

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

Honestly I was disappointed in the story, I was visualizing Republicans roping democrats like a cattle drive , and the the repubs camping out under the texan night skies with the democrats mooing and loeing before the next days drive to kansas

[Galloism]

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

Honestly I was disappointed in the story, I was visualizing Republicans roping democrats like a cattle drive , and the the repubs camping out under the texan night skies with the democrats mooing and loeing before the next days drive to kansas

I already made this joke.

I believe Texas state law requires that they round them up while on horseback, wearing a cowboy hat, using a lasso.

[Ethel mermania]

Honestly I was disappointed in the story, I was visualizing Republicans roping democrats like a cattle drive , and the the repubs camping out under the texan night skies with the democrats mooing and loeing before the next days drive to kansas

I already made this joke.

I believe Texas state law requires that they round them up while on horseback, wearing a cowboy hat, using a lasso.

Almost great minds think alike.

[Mercatus]

Politicians I despise are being rounded up.

Pretty ok in my book. It was their choice not to do their job and actually practice democracy, now they’re paying the price. This just proves politicians really only care about themselves.

[The Two Jerseys]

It's really not. It's much more mundane than folks are making out.

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

IIRC it was Abe Lincoln himself who jumped out the window...

[Adamede]

What the fuck is this shit?

This just sounds wrong.

Regardless if it’s right or wrong fact is it’s a bipartisan tactic that’s been used for a while now.

[Necroghastia]

Politicians I despise are being rounded up.

Pretty ok in my book. It was their choice not to do their job

What, precisely, would you say their job is?

and actually practice democracy,

Ironic statement, considering the reason they left.

now they’re paying the price. This just proves politicians really only care about themselves.

Despite this being a measure taken to a) represent their constituents' wishes and b) protect their rights from unreasonable restrictions?

[Galloism]

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

IIRC it was Abe Lincoln himself who jumped out the window...

Thank you - I googled that and...

Holy shit he did it twice, and once was out of a second story

[Ethel mermania]

Historically, this has happened much more dramatically. I remember reading in history about one Congress person (name escapes me) who jumped out of a window and fled to deny quorum.

It didn’t work for procedural reasons (he was already counted present), but off the chain stuff like this is part of our history.

IIRC it was Abe Lincoln himself who jumped out the window...

He was a Whig at the time.

[Fauzjhia]

IIRC it was Abe Lincoln himself who jumped out the window...

Thank you - I googled that and...

Holy shit he did it twice, and once was out of a second story

Man I love snopes. What would we be able to do in our era without de-bunkers like snopes ?
it seem we learn something new everyday

Politicians I despise are being rounded up.

Pretty ok in my book. It was their choice not to do their job and actually practice democracy, now they’re paying the price. This just proves politicians really only care about themselves.

its their job to protect the rights of their constituents, and since they were unable to negotiate, they now use quorum-busting to block legislation, you might not like, but that is their job. Staying in the house and letting the house voting that bill, would not be their job, since they would have refused to use a power they can use to block a legislation that can hurt their constituents.
Politicians are humans like us, not martians.

[Mercatus]

Politicians I despise are being rounded up.

Pretty ok in my book. It was their choice not to do their job

What, precisely, would you say their job is?

and actually practice democracy,

Ironic statement, considering the reason they left.

now they’re paying the price. This just proves politicians really only care about themselves.

Despite this being a measure taken to a) represent their constituents' wishes and b) protect their rights from unreasonable restrictions?

I am a biased man, and so are most others. I find this move to be agreeable because I do not agree with the affected parties.

They were elected into office to stay in that office and partake in legislative work. They could’ve stuck in for their voters had they been there to express disagreement.

[Ifreann]

What, precisely, would you say their job is?

Ironic statement, considering the reason they left.

Despite this being a measure taken to a) represent their constituents' wishes and b) protect their rights from unreasonable restrictions?

I am a biased man, and so are most others. I find this move to be agreeable because I do not agree with the affected parties.

They were elected into office to stay in that office and partake in legislative work. They could’ve stuck in for their voters had they been there to express disagreement.

How unfortunate that you embrace something obviously negative.

[Necroghastia]

What, precisely, would you say their job is?

Ironic statement, considering the reason they left.

Despite this being a measure taken to a) represent their constituents' wishes and b) protect their rights from unreasonable restrictions?

I am a biased man, and so are most others. I find this move to be agreeable because I do not agree with the affected parties.

The "affected parties" you disagree with being...?

They were elected into office to stay in that office and partake in legislative work. They could’ve stuck in for their voters had they been there to express disagreement.

There's no way they could've stuck up for their voters without doing this.

[Kannap]

What, precisely, would you say their job is?

Ironic statement, considering the reason they left.

Despite this being a measure taken to a) represent their constituents' wishes and b) protect their rights from unreasonable restrictions?

I am a biased man, and so are most others. I find this move to be agreeable because I do not agree with the affected parties.

They were elected into office to stay in that office and partake in legislative work. They could’ve stuck in for their voters had they been there to express disagreement.

If they had stayed, it would've gone to vote and they would've lost - and they know that and their voters know that.

[The Lone Alliance]

I think many people agree that voting needs to be secure. At the same time they recognize that the solutions that the Republicans propose seem too conveniently close to voter suppression territory.

Eh, I think we should just hand out free IDs to all citizens at this point and have voting holidays. Then nobody has an excuse for not being able to both get to the booths and show an ID. Still, I think the OP is more about pointing out the legislative tactics than the actual bill.

Thing is I think it's actually the idea that there's these massive number of voters roaming around the country without a single form of ID yet who vote in every election doesn't pass the smell test and that the Republicans are actually accomplishing something with these kind of bills is hard to prove.

There are so many things in the country that require some form of ID that the only people who would have no ID at all are people who are so bottom rung that they likely barely even interact with society, and if that's the type of life you're living you're already too disenfranchised to vote in the first place, voter ID or no.

I could see bills like this far more likely to backfire and affect older Republican voters who in their old age have lapsed and possibly even lost their old IDs. Doesn't mean I think these bills are any good but I've failed to see any evidence that voter ID bills have successfully accomplished anything other than annoying people.

[Dresderstan]

What the fuck is this shit?

This just sounds wrong.

It's really not. It's much more mundane than folks are making out.

But we need something to scare the populace!

[The Alma Mater]

There are so many things in the country that require some form of ID that the only people who would have no ID at all are people who are so bottom rung that they likely barely even interact with society, and if that's the type of life you're living you're already too disenfranchised to vote in the first place, voter ID or no.

IIRC, it varies by region what is and is not accepted as valid ID to vote.
To wit: republicans accept your NRA membership card as ID, but not your university ID.