Republicans Rounding Up Democrats in Texas

[San Lumen]

I’m not sure what position staffers are being put in to be governing how politicians do their jobs in the manner you seem to imply. What system of employment would let a park tour guide institute gun control against the will of politicians? It’s a bit extreme to interpret that in a regular persons day to day duties under supervision of even a minor sort.

Do you mean them leaving the job and simply that?

San Lumen seems to be suggesting some form of general strike among staffers in order to protest government policy that (he assumes) they dislike. That's what I'm responding to.

People that don’t believe in democracy don’t deserve a staff. The legislators should refuse to return until the next regular session of the legislature next year.

[The Alma Mater]

I think the first action should be an audit of the Texas election results; especially since they already admitted the state could have turned blue without voter suppression. What else did those republicans do ?

I suggest the cyber ninjas.

[Neutraligon]

San Lumen seems to be suggesting some form of general strike among staffers in order to protest government policy that (he assumes) they dislike. That's what I'm responding to.

People that don’t believe in democracy don’t deserve a staff. The legislators should refuse to return until the next regular session of the legislature next year.

Why should they give up their income? Or are you going to continue to be a hypocrite?

[Shofercia]

That's a long winded answer that consists of two parts: first, that voter ID isn't an issue, but rather the issue is that it's hard for poor folks, minorities, Native Americans, etc, to get that ID, and second that it doesn't matter because voter fraud's a myth for Democrats. I'm going to address the first part. A lot of us who do support Voter IDs are for making it as easy as possible to get Voter IDs. Let's make it super-duper-pooper easy! Also, we do need to keep the voting rolls updated, so let's come up with sensible policies for that.

In fact, it's easier to complete the Voter ID requirements than it is to buy alcohol, get a driver's license, open a bank account, get a room to rent, complete collegiate need based paperwork, join the military, etc, etc, etc. And we're all for making it easier, because one Voter ID, one person, one vote. So how can Texas make the Voter ID requirements easier? Instead of coming together, all I'm hearing from Democrats is that voter ID laws are racist, updating voting rolls is racist, and that's why Texas Republicans did what they did. I disagree with it, but I understand why they did it. At some point, if the other side's just whining, you have to legislate.

...none of this addressed what i said
like you personally may be for making voter ID laws easy for people to deal with but republican legislators aren't
so when we're talking about the impact of bills (and this bill goes way beyond voter ID-which is quite honestly the least consequential part of it) the more important part is what the legislators actually did

and for that matter, the "whining" doesn't actually give license to craft horrible legislation
if someone says "they're trying to suppress the vote" and then you pass a bill which bans new ways counties headed by the other party were expanding the vote and cuts polling places in districts that overwhelmingly vote for the other party it becomes hard to deny you were just trying to suppress the vote all along

The reason that Republicans are acting that way, (at least in terms of Voter ID,) is because the Democrats adopted a "my way or the highway" approach. You can't yell "NO VOTER ID NEVER!" and expect the opposing party to just shut up and take it. So of course the rebuttal is going to be harsh; your choices are twofold, (again focusing on Voter ID) - either negotiate with Republicans, or accept the harsh laws as they come. If your side doesn't come to the table, why should the other side do so?

[Shofercia]

I was fine with the Oregon Republicans walking out, I'm fine with the Texas Democrats doing it, quorum busting is a valid tactic to block legislation.

That's how I feel about it, although I'd rather have consistent opinions that say that "quorum busting sucks" than opinions of partisanship and divisiveness.

I should also note the praise that I'm getting from Conservatives on NSG, (either in the thread of via TG,) even though I'm arguing, in very clear terms, that Republicans shouldn't round 'em up. I think it shows that anyone in the US, (except for the crazies on both sides of the aisle,) can be reasoned with, as long as we're making consistent arguments, and the nation isn't as divided as the media portrays it to be.

[Fauzjhia]

Well that's (democracy for republican)

and for those who accuse the democrats to not have negotiated with republicans, they tried to find a middle ground.
but the GOP want to make it harder to vote, they want to have less votes, the goal of this legislation is to maximize the chance of the GOP to win the next election, they don't want to see 84 millions of Americans for the democrats ever again.

They keep bringing concern of voter frauds, while it is very rare in the united states, unless you somehow believe the lies that massive voter fraud would have cost Trump the election, while somehow failing to take down key gop senators and failing to make gain in the house of representatives....
sadly, its impossible to negotiate with republicans, they do not want to and have no reason to negotiate.

to me, this decision to arrest the depute who left the assemble to prevent a quorum, can't be accepted in democracy. Nor any democracy should try to make it harder to vote.

not surprise, I knew something like this was coming.

I was fine with the Oregon Republicans walking out, I'm fine with the Texas Democrats doing it, quorum busting is a valid tactic to block legislation.

This is golden honestly. we should have the same standards for all politicians, if we let republican walk out of legislation, democrats must be able to do it too, that's only fair. having standards for democrats only and other standards for republicans is not fair.

[Uiiop]

I was fine with the Oregon Republicans walking out, I'm fine with the Texas Democrats doing it, quorum busting is a valid tactic to block legislation.

That's how I feel about it, although I'd rather have consistent opinions that say that "quorum busting sucks" than opinions of partisanship and divisiveness.

I should also note the praise that I'm getting from Conservatives on NSG, (either in the thread of via TG,) even though I'm arguing, in very clear terms, that Republicans shouldn't round 'em up. I think it shows that anyone in the US, (except for the crazies on both sides of the aisle,) can be reasoned with, as long as we're making consistent arguments, and the nation isn't as divided as the media portrays it to be.

Anecdotal evidence is a crap standard and never is mere assertion that the republicans had past reasonableness on voter ID post southern strategy.

Besides it's not like anyone cared that i posted that the system itself is not the fair playing filed everyone assumes we should act like it is and i doubt the conservatives would glomp on to if i revealed that i'm leaning on tolerating what happened in Oregon.

Your interrelationships with cons are your own(and honesty good for you) not a sign of people's general reasonability or the so-called falsehood of polarization .

[Kowani]

...none of this addressed what i said
like you personally may be for making voter ID laws easy for people to deal with but republican legislators aren't
so when we're talking about the impact of bills (and this bill goes way beyond voter ID-which is quite honestly the least consequential part of it) the more important part is what the legislators actually did

and for that matter, the "whining" doesn't actually give license to craft horrible legislation
if someone says "they're trying to suppress the vote" and then you pass a bill which bans new ways counties headed by the other party were expanding the vote and cuts polling places in districts that overwhelmingly vote for the other party it becomes hard to deny you were just trying to suppress the vote all along

The reason that Republicans are acting that way, (at least in terms of Voter ID,) is because the Democrats adopted a "my way or the highway" approach. You can't yell "NO VOTER ID NEVER!" and expect the opposing party to just shut up and take it. So of course the rebuttal is going to be harsh; your choices are twofold, (again focusing on Voter ID) - either negotiate with Republicans, or accept the harsh laws as they come. If your side doesn't come to the table, why should the other side do so?

this would be a good point in isolation, if the voter id debate was just starting
but in the context where we are now, it's not
texas had-prior to this law-some of the most stringent voter restrictions in the country
and even this atrocity of a bill didn't create voter id laws-they already had those
it just added extra hoops for people to jump through for it
there's a presumption of reasonableness here that isn't owed given the facts

[Arpasia]

Won't be surprised if either side pulled out their guns and start a huge ass firefight

[New haven america]

Big Brother Democrats claim to support democracy, yet despicably deny Texas voters their day in the legislature.

The dirty little secret is progressive Democrats pay lip service to democracy in the same way Nazis used democracy to gain power in Germany in the 1930's.

Once Democrats achieve a critical mass of political power in an enclave or nation-state, they utterly reject bipartisanship and shove statist legislation that empowers government and belittles individual rights and responsibilities down the throats of the citizenry.

Make no mistake censoring, intolerant, statist Democrats are the party of Big Brother. They will only use democratic institutions to gain authoritarian powers at the expense of democratic principles.

This wouldn't be so heinous, if not for the fact progressive (fascist) policies and practices generate perpetual poverty, crippling inequality, violent crime and failing schools.

You know the bill is to disenfranchise large portion of Texas' population and make democracy more difficult?

Well of course you do, but that doesn't stop you from posting projectionist conspiracy theories.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

Glad to see this is yet another debate on how some regions wanting to leave a state into another has bled over because... reasons?

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

Big Brother Democrats claim to support democracy, yet despicably deny Texas voters their day in the legislature.

The dirty little secret is progressive Democrats pay lip service to democracy in the same way Nazis used democracy to gain power in Germany in the 1930's.

Once Democrats achieve a critical mass of political power in an enclave or nation-state, they utterly reject bipartisanship and shove statist legislation that empowers government and belittles individual rights and responsibilities down the throats of the citizenry.

Make no mistake censoring, intolerant, statist Democrats are the party of Big Brother. They will only use democratic institutions to gain authoritarian powers at the expense of democratic principles.

This wouldn't be so heinous, if not for the fact progressive (fascist) policies and practices generate perpetual poverty, crippling inequality, violent crime and failing schools.

Your making the Democrats sound cool Sean Hannity

[Vassenor]

Big Brother Democrats claim to support democracy, yet despicably deny Texas voters their day in the legislature.

The dirty little secret is progressive Democrats pay lip service to democracy in the same way Nazis used democracy to gain power in Germany in the 1930's.

Once Democrats achieve a critical mass of political power in an enclave or nation-state, they utterly reject bipartisanship and shove statist legislation that empowers government and belittles individual rights and responsibilities down the throats of the citizenry.

Make no mistake censoring, intolerant, statist Democrats are the party of Big Brother. They will only use democratic institutions to gain authoritarian powers at the expense of democratic principles.

This wouldn't be so heinous, if not for the fact progressive (fascist) policies and practices generate perpetual poverty, crippling inequality, violent crime and failing schools.

Apparently it's fascist to want people to be able to exercise their right to vote and not have their kids be subjected to invasive genital exams in order to play sports.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

US democracy working “as intended”, excellent! Honestly this is a prime example of why I don’t believe in representative democracy at all.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

Big Brother Democrats claim to support democracy, yet despicably deny Texas voters their day in the legislature.

The dirty little secret is progressive Democrats pay lip service to democracy in the same way Nazis used democracy to gain power in Germany in the 1930's.

Once Democrats achieve a critical mass of political power in an enclave or nation-state, they utterly reject bipartisanship and shove statist legislation that empowers government and belittles individual rights and responsibilities down the throats of the citizenry.

Make no mistake censoring, intolerant, statist Democrats are the party of Big Brother. They will only use democratic institutions to gain authoritarian powers at the expense of democratic principles.

This wouldn't be so heinous, if not for the fact progressive (fascist) policies and practices generate perpetual poverty, crippling inequality, violent crime and failing schools.

Apparently it's fascist to want people to be able to exercise their right to vote and not have their kids be subjected to invasive genital exams in order to play sports.

Don't you know Martin Luther King jnr was a fascist, and that Hitler was a socialist, and those guys down at Charlottesville back in 2017 were fine people? Damn liberal communist wanting to destroy our great nation and replace it with the Socialist Islamic Atheist (SIC) dream of turning the frogs gay

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A legislator is elected to serve the interests of their constituents. If their constituents want them to stop a bill and the only way to do that is by quorum busting, they should do that.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the Republican Party and I think it was incredibly stupid for the Oregon Republicans to choose climate denial as their hill to die on, but I learned that when the governor ordered them arrested, one of them said "send bachelors and come heavily armed" and I have to admit that is one of the coolest things I've ever heard from a legislator. If only he was breaking quorum to do something good.

[Cameroi]

i remember there was an incident, somewhere, i think it may have been oregon, where it was the republicans who walked out to keep from having to vote on something and prevent there being a quorum for it. i forget off hand what the issue was.

naturally i believe in protecting voting rights because otherwise we'd have dictator for life trump, completing his intention to destroy the country and everything that otherwise justifies its existence.

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i remember there was an incident, somewhere, i think it may have been oregon, where it was the republicans who walked out to keep from having to vote on something and prevent there being a quorum for it. i forget off hand what the issue was.

naturally i believe in protecting voting rights because otherwise we'd have dictator for life trump, completing his intention to destroy the country and everything that otherwise justifies its existence.

Quorum busting has a long history in the US even going back to pre-Civil War times.

[The Hazar Amisnery]

This gives me Nazi vibes

[New haven america]

You know the bill is to disenfranchise large portion of Texas' population and make democracy more difficult?

Well of course you do, but that doesn't stop you from posting projectionist conspiracy theories.

Specifically, what is in the Texas bill that undermines registered legal votes?

Bans drive-thru voting, limits early voting hours, bans 24 hour voting centers, bans the distribution of mail in ballot applications, requires ID, requires monthly citizenship checks, and allows militias to stalk and harass voters at voting stations.

You could look this shit up yourself btw.

Ironically you want Reps to protect voting rights against fixed elections, when Trump was the only one who called to fix the election in his favor. (Like calling several governors to fix the EC vote for him)

[New haven america]

1. The absurdity of every leftist argument on this thread is the demonstrable fact that progressivism seeks to expand and to empower the iron fist of centralized government at the expense of individual rights.

2. The racist Democrat Party, the party of slavery in the 19th century, the party of Jim Crow in the 20th century, is the party a Big Brother in the 21st-century.

Progressives have always been vile racists, the only thing that changes is the victim and the perpetrator in their divisive and destructive narrative.

In sum, it is laughable that the statist mob that provides lip service to representative government is the same automaton mob that pays homage to Big Brother.

Ignorance is not bliss.

1. You planning on explaining how the restrictions listed below protects voting anytime soon?

Specifically, what is in the Texas bill that undermines registered legal votes?

Bans drive-thru voting, limits early voting hours, bans 24 hour voting centers, bans the distribution of mail in ballot applications, requires ID, requires monthly citizenship checks, and allows militias to stalk and harass voters at voting stations.

You could look this shit up yourself btw.

Ironically you want Reps to protect voting rights against fixed elections, when Trump was the only one who called to fix the election in his favor. (Like calling several governors to fix the EC vote for him)

2. Actually, there was a paradigm shift during the 1920's-50's, where democrat and republican ideals shifted.

Abe and Teddy would've been democrats if they were alive today. Hell, Teddy was a hardcore progressive and wrote several essays about the importance of Feminism and racial/socioeconomic equality. (And he was a Republican, because the Reps used to be the party of liberalism and progressivism. Not anymore) HEe'd probably be friends with Bernie and AOC.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

The absurdity of every leftist argument on this thread is the demonstrable fact that progressivism seeks to expand and to empower the iron fist of centralized government at the expense of individual rights.

The racist Democrat Party, the party of slavery in the 19th century, the party of Jim Crow in the 20th century, is the party a Big Brother in the 21st-century.

Progressives have always been vile racists, the only thing that changes is the victim and the perpetrator in their divisive and destructive narrative.

In sum, it is laughable that the statist mob that provides lip service to representative government is the same automaton mob that pays homage to Big Brother.

Ignorance is not bliss.

Lmao yeah, that darn Civil Rights act signed off by the Democrats was sooooo racist, and Bernie Sanders and AOC are literally Hitler incarnate. But sure, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are the anti-racists.

Why do you think I call you 'The Fox News guy"? Like wow, yeah, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the Republicans were founded to be 'progressive', but that was more than 150 years ago. Why would 'the party of slavery' and 'the party of Jim Crow' have the first black president if they hated black people so much? Are you the reincarnation of George Wallace, or are you a massive fan of his?

[Vassenor]

The absurdity of every leftist argument on this thread is the demonstrable fact that progressivism seeks to expand and to empower the iron fist of centralized government at the expense of individual rights.

The racist Democrat Party, the party of slavery in the 19th century, the party of Jim Crow in the 20th century, is the party a Big Brother in the 21st-century.

Progressives have always been vile racists, the only thing that changes is the victim and the perpetrator in their divisive and destructive narrative.

In sum, it is laughable that the statist mob that provides lip service to representative government is the same automaton mob that pays homage to Big Brother.

Ignorance is not bliss.

Got anything from this century that makes the Democrats so irredeemably evil that stripping people of their right to vote because they might vote Democrat and arresting representatives who object to this is justified?

[Picairn]

Lmao yeah, that darn Civil Rights act signed off by the Democrats was sooooo racist, and Bernie Sanders and AOC are literally Hitler incarnate. But sure, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are the anti-racists.

Why do you think I call you 'The Fox News guy"? Like wow, yeah, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the Republicans were founded to be 'progressive', but that was more than 150 years ago. Why would 'the party of slavery' and 'the party of Jim Crow' have the first black president if they hated black people so much? Are you the reincarnation of George Wallace, or are you a massive fan of his?

Funny that the guy worships Lincoln yet completely and unironically goes contrary against Lincoln's actual beliefs and actions. Lincoln is THE epitome of big government, in the same league of FDR.

[New haven america]

Lmao yeah, that darn Civil Rights act signed off by the Democrats was sooooo racist, and Bernie Sanders and AOC are literally Hitler incarnate. But sure, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan are the anti-racists.

Why do you think I call you 'The Fox News guy"? Like wow, yeah, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the Republicans were founded to be 'progressive', but that was more than 150 years ago. Why would 'the party of slavery' and 'the party of Jim Crow' have the first black president if they hated black people so much? Are you the reincarnation of George Wallace, or are you a massive fan of his?

Funny that the guy worships Lincoln yet completely and unironically goes contrary against Lincoln's actual beliefs and actions. Lincoln is THE epitome of big government, in the same league of FDR.

I mean, The GOP is generally for big government.

It's just that they want the government under their control to be big and powerful.