Pashinyan offered to trade his son.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The "real citizens"? What do you mean by real citizens?
Also what is this obsession with science? I don't think the act of voting in this kind of thing involves science.

ID card. The light of science is everywhere, but I gave the example of Saudi Arabia or Iran. If religious laws come by election, even if it is fair, I will not respect that election. It is a pity that the terrible ambition of the Armenian government shows that even a father can sacrifice his child in this way. The Armenian people and the region need a leader who accepts their past to contribute to peace. The Turkish people are not the enemies of the Armenians, the politicians are pitting us against each other to make money for the war traders.

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

ID card. The light of science is everywhere, but I gave the example of Saudi Arabia or Iran. If religious laws come by election, even if it is fair, I will not respect that election. It is a pity that the terrible ambition of the Armenian government shows that even a father can sacrifice his child in this way. The Armenian people and the region need a leader who accepts their past to contribute to peace. The Turkish people are not the enemies of the Armenians, the politicians are pitting us against each other to make money for the war traders.

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

Um... SA has no elections. Also, you should really stop telling people to be European somehow if they don't want it.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Um... SA has no elections.

To be fair, they indeed have elections, albeit at local level.

Also, you should really stop telling people to be European somehow if they don't want it.

This. Though to be fair to Hakinda, there are elements in the Turkish society that want to be acknowledged as a part of Europe.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Um... SA has no elections.

To be fair, they indeed have elections, albeit at local level.

Also, you should really stop telling people to be European somehow if they don't want it.

This. Though to be fair to Hakinda, there are elements in the Turkish society that want to be acknowledged as a part of Europe.

The elected guys don't have much power, though.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

The only people who need a new mindset are the genocidaires in "Azerbaijan" Arran and their supporters - including you.

[NationStates Puppet]

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

'War culture'? Tell me, when has Europe not been in a war before the creation of the EU?

[Pasong Tirad]

Oh great, another Hakinda thread on Armenia.

Because a Nationalist Turk is going to be an unbiased source.

This sums up all my thoughts on this thread.

Willing to sacrifice his family to free Armenians from racist warmongers like you. It’s likely he’s not actually offering his son, but your first reaction to the freeing of POWs is that Armenians should be imprisoned for regional “unity” makes it pretty clear that this is little more then your hatred against Armenians showing again.

And also this, actually.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

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Um... SA has no elections. Also, you should really stop telling people to be European somehow if they don't want it.

The European Union is the system model that the whole world should take as an example. We must blend our cultures with European Union standards.

To be fair, they indeed have elections, albeit at local level.


This. Though to be fair to Hakinda, there are elements in the Turkish society that want to be acknowledged as a part of Europe.

The elected guys don't have much power, though.

The Middle East mentality will be cleared from the Anatolian lands in the first elections. there will be no uneducated person

Answer To Political Islam

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Um... SA has no elections. Also, you should really stop telling people to be European somehow if they don't want it.

The European Union is the system model that the whole world should take as an example. We must blend our cultures with European Union standards.

The elected guys don't have much power, though.

The Middle East mentality will be cleared from the Anatolian lands in the first elections. there will be no uneducated person

Answer To Political Islam

'Middle east mentality'. You may see the ME as a barbaric, foreign place but it's where civilisation came from. Where was the first university? You are acting as if Middle Eastern culture is against education.

[Diarcesia]

The European Union is the system model that the whole world should take as an example. We must blend our cultures with European Union standards.


The Middle East mentality will be cleared from the Anatolian lands in the first elections. there will be no uneducated person

Answer To Political Islam

'Middle east mentality'. You may see the ME as a barbaric, foreign place but it's where civilisation came from. Where was the first university? You are acting as if Middle Eastern culture is against education.

You can argue that several groups in the ME today are against education (Taliban for example). However, that will be another topic.

[Linessia]

Saudi Arabia: Um, no election?
Iran: Greatest growth in science in the world

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

He offered his son because Azerbaijan is violently attacking Armenian citizens. If there is indeed a "Middle Eastern war culture," Azerbaijan is by no means innocent.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The United States is the world leader and focal point.There are elections in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but they kill gay people. Typical middle eastern mentality is unacceptable even if people want it. Turn your face to Europe. I reject the freedom of people not to be free. Pashinyan's attempt to give his son to azerbaijan shows that he preserved the war culture of the middle east. We are in the 21st century. I hope Pashinyan stays away from such behavior + And I hope Azerbaijan does not become a partner in this terrible mentality.

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He offered his son because Azerbaijan is violently attacking Armenian citizens. If there is indeed a "Middle Eastern war culture," Azerbaijan is by no means innocent.

It is the government of Armenia that does not comply with the rules of the United Nations.they do not respect the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, georgia and turkey, those who follow an expansionist policy are typical middle eastern countries. Those who sold their sons are the same mindset that committed the Khojaly genocide. We do not want ultra-nationalists in Europe who dream of ultra-nationalism, regardless of whether they are Turkish, Armenian or Georgian.Azerbaijan has the right to intervene in the occupying Armenia, but everyone should take responsibility. Justice and democracy in the country first for Dağlık Karabağ. Do you think Azerbaijan is democratic ? I do not think so

[Kubra]

He offered his son because Azerbaijan is violently attacking Armenian citizens. If there is indeed a "Middle Eastern war culture," Azerbaijan is by no means innocent.

It is the government of Armenia that does not comply with the rules of the United Nations.they do not respect the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, georgia and turkey, those who follow an expansionist policy are typical middle eastern countries. Those who sold their sons are the same mindset that committed the Khojaly genocide. We do not want ultra-nationalists in Europe who dream of ultra-nationalism, regardless of whether they are Turkish, Armenian or Georgian.Azerbaijan has the right to intervene in the occupying Armenia, but everyone should take responsibility. Justice and democracy in the country first for Dağlık Karabağ. Do you think Azerbaijan is democratic ? I do not think so

Was Turkey not itself "expansionist" in its aims to regain anatolian territory lost with the treaty of sèvres?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

It is the government of Armenia that does not comply with the rules of the United Nations.they do not respect the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, georgia and turkey, those who follow an expansionist policy are typical middle eastern countries. Those who sold their sons are the same mindset that committed the Khojaly genocide. We do not want ultra-nationalists in Europe who dream of ultra-nationalism, regardless of whether they are Turkish, Armenian or Georgian.Azerbaijan has the right to intervene in the occupying Armenia, but everyone should take responsibility. Justice and democracy in the country first for Dağlık Karabağ. Do you think Azerbaijan is democratic ? I do not think so

Was Turkey not itself "expansionist" in its aims to regain anatolian territory lost with the treaty of sèvres?

Turkey did not lose any land with the Treaty of Sevres. I think you wrote the underlined sentence deliberately. Apart from this, unfortunately, those who govern Turkey seem to be expansionists for their own interests. however, the expansionist policy of the Armenian government has an official status. Turkey is not just made up of political Islam and ultra-nationalist people. There are social democrat kemalists like me. Supporters of the Treaty of Sèvres, the dreams of human enemies will not come true, long live the european union.Just as we stopped the occupation of the Dağlık Karabağ by the Armenian government, we will not let anyone destroy Syria, Libya and Cyprus today. Those who yearn for America will realize that the Ottoman Empire is over.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Was Turkey not itself "expansionist" in its aims to regain anatolian territory lost with the treaty of sèvres?

Turkey did not lose any land with the Treaty of Sevres. I think you wrote the underlined sentence deliberately. Apart from this, unfortunately, those who govern Turkey seem to be expansionists for their own interests. however, the expansionist policy of the Armenian government has an official status. Turkey is not just made up of political Islam and ultra-nationalist people. There are social democrat kemalists like me. Supporters of the Treaty of Sèvres, the dreams of human enemies will not come true, long live the european union.Just as we stopped the occupation of the Dağlık Karabağ by the Armenian government, we will not let anyone destroy Syria, Libya and Cyprus today. Those who yearn for America will realize that the Ottoman Empire is over.

Uh, do you know that with the Treaty of Sévres, cities such as Istanbul, Edirne, Izmir, Erzurum, Van, and possibly Diyarbakir won't be in Turkish lands, right?

[Kubra]

Was Turkey not itself "expansionist" in its aims to regain anatolian territory lost with the treaty of sèvres?

Turkey did not lose any land with the Treaty of Sevres. I think you wrote the underlined sentence deliberately. Apart from this, unfortunately, those who govern Turkey seem to be expansionists for their own interests. however, the expansionist policy of the Armenian government has an official status. Turkey is not just made up of political Islam and ultra-nationalist people. There are social democrat kemalists like me. Supporters of the Treaty of Sèvres, the dreams of human enemies will not come true, long live the european union.Just as we stopped the occupation of the mountainous Karabakh by the Armenian government, we will not let anyone destroy Syria, Libya and Cyprus today. Those who yearn for America will realize that the Ottoman Empire is over.

As I'm sure you're aware, the only reason it was not ratified was the end of the ottoman empire. By this time effective control of a lot of the territories that were to be ceded had been in any case lost anyways.
Nonetheless, as you're also aware, the new government fought tooth-and-nail to reassert control over the territory that they intended on keeping. This is correct, yes?
And again, you have steadfastly refused to present anything but circumspect justification for nagormo-karabakh's territorial status. We want to know why Armenians must be azerbaijani, instead of armenians.

[Lady Victory]

We want to know why Armenians must be azerbaijani, instead of armenians.

The answer is actually fairly simple: he hates Armenians because Armenians refuse to bow to Turkic imperialists and this upsets his pan-Turkic ultranationalist sensibilities.

[Sungoldy-China]

Imany regional powers are beginning to feel dissatisfied with the sphere of influence assigned to them after World War II.

Either the defender of the order fight back the challenger or compromise challenger .

[Linessia]

He offered his son because Azerbaijan is violently attacking Armenian citizens. If there is indeed a "Middle Eastern war culture," Azerbaijan is by no means innocent.

It is the government of Armenia that does not comply with the rules of the United Nations.they do not respect the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, georgia and turkey, those who follow an expansionist policy are typical middle eastern countries. Those who sold their sons are the same mindset that committed the Khojaly genocide. We do not want ultra-nationalists in Europe who dream of ultra-nationalism, regardless of whether they are Turkish, Armenian or Georgian.Azerbaijan has the right to intervene in the occupying Armenia, but everyone should take responsibility. Justice and democracy in the country first for Dağlık Karabağ. Do you think Azerbaijan is democratic ? I do not think so

The UN is neither the arbiter of morality nor of territorial identity.
Your attempt to frame wanting justice and independence for your ethnicity as "ultra-natonalism" (while yourself being an expansionist ultranationalist) because it's Armenians rather than Turkic people is really telling.

[Adamede]

Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan, who held rallies before the parliamentary elections in Armenia, He called on Azerbaijan to return all Armenian prisoners against his son. What do nationstates users think about this ? In my opinion, Pashinyan is a person who cannot really master the geography of the region, he should not mix his own child in the occupation policy of Armenia. Those who support the war should be tried in Armenian courts. An Armenian leader who recognizes the Turks, Iranians and Georgians who favor peace should come to power. Conscientious Turks, Armenians and Georgians are tired of the call for war, the period of the crusades is over, it is now the time of unity.

https://tass.com/world/1300519
https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2021/dunya/pasinyandan-secim-vaadi-oglumu-verip-esirleri-alacagim-6476505/

Sure now is the time of Unity, so long as that unity is in the form of Turkish domination over their neighbors.

You ultranationalists are an interesting lot. I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you must take part in to make the Azerbaijanis the victims here.