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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue May 04, 2021 4:22 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Personality, appearance and charisma counts in all Presidential, Vice Presidential, Governors, Representatives, Senators and Mayors, it is Part of Politics. Candance Owens is a Proud Black African American Lady, Proud Republican Trump Supporter, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizen of The USA With Pride And Honor and she has all these qualities.

It really doesn't matter the appearance, personality, or charisma of a Presidential candidate. It matters the qualifications. If a candidate has spent years in congress, serving America and learning how to be a good leader they are more qualified than a candidate who has spent years on failed businesses and scams, but is more charismatic. It also matters the morals of a candidate, because candidates with strong morals are vastly superior to candidates that are immoral, corrupt, unempathetic, etc.

Thank You for quoting me. You make many good points, but it matters to the base if the candidate has the qualities I mentioned and the qualifications you mentioned. This Lady Candace Owens has those qualities and qualifications. Candace Owens is an American conservative author, talk show host, political commentator, and activist.[1][2][3][4] Initially critical of United States President Donald Trump and the Republican Party, Owens eventually became known for her pro-Trump activism as a black woman,[5] in addition to her criticism of Black Lives Matter and the Democratic Party.[6][7][8] She worked for the conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA between 2017 and 2019 as its communications director.[9] In 2021, she joined The Daily Wire, and hosts Candace, a political podcast. *10) I know you and I understand you leftists don't like her, and there is nothing wrong with it, it is called Freedoms of Expression and Democracy, you will all find a lot he here to strongly disagree with her. I found these link videos from CSPAN I Posted on a right wing news site I Post on from time to time, and what a coincidence, they all strongly agree with me and my views and strongly disagree with you guys? As far as they are concerned I am right and we are right all the time on the same issues. Sounds familiar in reverse. We also Post to Leftists who Post from time to time. Thank You for quoting me. Peace over and Out.
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DeSantis sets the date for the Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach byelection: January 11, 2022

No, that's not a typo, that's how far ahead the general will be. The primary will be on November 2.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I should post that "everyone I don't like is Hitler" image.

Tell me, what does Nazism support?


New Haven, TRAR is a libertarian. He is not and has never been a Nazi and was bringing the pain against nazis in the white supremacist thread a couple nights ago. You don't need to like nationalism but TRAR isn't about to set up death camps for black folks and Muslims. That's not what he believes in at all.
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue May 04, 2021 4:25 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
New Jacobland wrote:CCP: Nationalist, commits genocide
Nazi Germany: Nationalist, commits genocide

See a pattern?


Because that is ento-nationalism. With civic and cultural nationalism, race isn’t a factor and tolerance of other races and cultures is the norm. I would consider Canada a prefect example of non-racist and non-genocidal civic and cultural nationalism

Race and ethnicity are, in large part, cultural, and nationalists movements often use cultural and civic reasons to wipe out groups that are inconvenient for their vision of the nation. This is because the idea of "national unity" requires an enemy that is foreign in-nature (i.e. not part of the nation), and that the state is not nationally homogenous undermines the ability to create the foreigner. Because nationalism, whether ethnic, cultural, civic, or whatever you call it, is ideological, and the ideological politik obscures politik, that is, it is intended to obscure the possibility of politics as the thing in-itself, within the nation-state. All politik is subordinated to the "national interest" and thus to the state, which represents the nation as an entity.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
New haven america wrote:Tell me, what does Nazism support?


New Haven, TRAR is a libertarian. He is not and has never been a Nazi and was bringing the pain against nazis in the white supremacist thread a couple nights ago. You don't need to like nationalism but TRAR isn't about to set up death camps for black folks and Muslims. That's not what he believes in at all.


Indeed. To those that equate all forms of nationalism to nazisim, what is left-wing nationalism then?
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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:26 pm

When you accept that cultural genocide is in fact genocidal it's hard to escape the fact that the vast majority of nationalist politics and states have, at one point or another, committed genocide. The difference is in the form and severity it has taken. The Swedish government sought to eliminate Finns and the Sami by forcing their children to abandon their traditions, customs, and languages whereas the Hutu sought to slaughter the Tutsi. Both are genocidal even if the latter is more viscerally repulsive than the former.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:The Marlborough doesn't like nationalism. He never did, nor does he like the U.S. so he probably has a special dislike for my nationalism.

I used to be a nationalist.

So tell me, how should we invade Canada?

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Postby New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
New haven america wrote:Tell me, what does Nazism support?


New Haven, TRAR is a libertarian. He is not and has never been a Nazi and was bringing the pain against nazis in the white supremacist thread a couple nights ago. You don't need to like nationalism but TRAR isn't about to set up death camps for black folks and Muslims. That's not what he believes in at all.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

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North Washington Republic wrote:
It depends, do they want to secede from the United States and from their own country or did they wanna simply self-segregate? I don’t necessarily have a problem with moderate multiculturalism. I see no issue with media being produced in other languages, although it would be best that everyone is able to read and write basic English(or whatever to major/national/official language is of said county)

Why does it have to be only moderate multiculturalism that is okay?


Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
New Haven, TRAR is a libertarian. He is not and has never been a Nazi and was bringing the pain against nazis in the white supremacist thread a couple nights ago. You don't need to like nationalism but TRAR isn't about to set up death camps for black folks and Muslims. That's not what he believes in at all.


Indeed. To those that equate all forms of nationalism to nazisim, what is left-wing nationalism then?


I thought I saw some of those listed earlier.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:They all support nationalism. :p

No they don't.

The USSR supported the downfall of monarchy.
Russia supports oligarchic capitalism and doesn't give a shit about anything else, including Russia and the Russians living there.
And the US was actually quite content to continue being a part of The UK.

Yet, look at what they all became.

The Soviets touted WW2 as the "Great Patriotic War", embraced historical Russian symbols and heroes, made learning the Russian language mandatory, and encouraged ethnic Russians to move to other SSRs.

The Russian Federation has one of it's foreign policies as promoting the Russian people and language and uses Russian nationalism to justify the intervention in Ukraine.

I'm sure you know modern-day American nationalism.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
New Haven, TRAR is a libertarian. He is not and has never been a Nazi and was bringing the pain against nazis in the white supremacist thread a couple nights ago. You don't need to like nationalism but TRAR isn't about to set up death camps for black folks and Muslims. That's not what he believes in at all.


Indeed. To those that equate all forms of nationalism to nazisim, what is left-wing nationalism then?

Canada.
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Postby Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I should post that "everyone I don't like is Hitler" image.

Tell me, what does Nazism support?

The reconstruction of society into a pseudo-religion around the state? Totalitarian corporatism? Total population control? You know, the exact opposite of American libertarianism?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:29 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Why does it have to be only moderate multiculturalism that is okay?


Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.


Wow, we agree on something. Amazing! :lol:

But indeed, there needs to be some acceptance of cultural and social norms practiced by all people.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:29 pm

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Indeed. To those that equate all forms of nationalism to nazisim, what is left-wing nationalism then?

Canada.


Ah, indeed. I listed Canada as an example just a few posts ago.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:29 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:I used to be a nationalist.

So tell me, how should we invade Canada?

Not being a nationalist doesn't mean I want Canada invaded lmao.
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Postby Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:30 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:So tell me, how should we invade Canada?

Not being a nationalist doesn't mean I want Canada invaded lmao.

Weak.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue May 04, 2021 4:31 pm

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Immortan Khan wrote:Not being a nationalist doesn't mean I want Canada invaded lmao.

Weak.


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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:32 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Why does it have to be only moderate multiculturalism that is okay?


Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.

Odd how there have been numerous very successful multi-ethnic states throughout human history that lasted long periods of time. Framing it also in terms of security is also very precarious because there is never enough security so it's not very difficult to start kicking the ball down the hill that leads to greater and greater discrimination.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:32 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Atheris wrote:Weak.


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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 04, 2021 4:32 pm

Atheris wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Not being a nationalist doesn't mean I want Canada invaded lmao.

Weak.

I want Canada to invade America instead.
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Postby Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 4:33 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Atheris wrote:Weak.

I want Canada to invade America instead.

Unbased. All the countries in the world belong to America.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:34 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Because otherwise you get balkanization. People in a community need unity of some kind and if they think of themselves as distinct entities, there will be only distrust at best and violence at worst.

Odd how there have been numerous very successful multi-ethnic states throughout human history that lasted long periods of time. Framing it also in terms of security is also very precarious because there is never enough security so it's not very difficult to start kicking the ball down the hill that leads to greater and greater discrimination.


Multiethnic does not equal full on multiculturalism. You asked why only moderate multiculturalism is acceptable but said multiethnic countries are an example of that. You need unity or you have no society. My community has many members who still haven't really integrated (many of the Albanians) and their separation from others has led to everything from distrust to violence.
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Postby New Jacobland » Tue May 04, 2021 4:35 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
New Jacobland wrote:CCP: Nationalist, commits genocide
Nazi Germany: Nationalist, commits genocide

See a pattern?

CCP: Originally fought against Kuomintang dictatorship and Japanese hordes, holds relations with numerous countries around the world, doesn't seek to limit religion, isn't led by batshit leaders that want to conquer the world.

Nazi Germany: Originally was created based on legitimate hatred of Western Powers and made-up hatred of Jews, held relationships only with it's collaborator countries, seeked to destroy religion and sought to slaughter peoples of multiple religions, led by batshit leaders that wanted to conquer the world.

See a pattern?

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Postby New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:36 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
New Jacobland wrote:CCP: Nationalist, commits genocide
Nazi Germany: Nationalist, commits genocide

See a pattern?

CCP: Originally fought against Kuomintang dictatorship and Japanese hordes, holds relations with numerous countries around the world, doesn't seek to limit religion, isn't led by batshit leaders that want to conquer the world.

Nazi Germany: Originally was created based on legitimate hatred of Western Powers and made-up hatred of Jews, held relationships only with it's collaborator countries, seeked to destroy religion and sought to slaughter peoples of multiple religions, led by batshit leaders that wanted to conquer the world.

See a pattern?

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