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Postby Kowani » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:54 pm

Biden administration quietly imposes temporary limits on counterterrorism drone strikes and commando raids outside conventional battlefield zones like Afghanistan and Syria, and it has begun a broad review of whether to tighten Trump-era rules for such operations

The military and the C.I.A. must now obtain White House permission to attack terrorism suspects in poorly governed places where there are scant American ground troops, like Somalia and Yemen. Under the Trump administration, they had been allowed to decide for themselves whether circumstances on the ground met certain conditions and an attack was justified.
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Postby Eahland » Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:56 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Senkaku wrote:What a fundamentally absurd comparison. You're making these points and in each case leaving out the most important details of FDR's record-- you know what the difference between him and Stalin is, in this case? Stalin killed millions of the Soviet civilians he interned; FDR did not (even though it was still wrong and people did die because of the terrible conditions). You really don't think that's a worthwhile distinction to draw, or that it's reasonable for that fact to differentiate our historical interpretations of their records?

And? That does not excuse that FDR committed arguably the biggest human rights violation in US history, in direct violation of the Constitution. His achievements don't negate that he put his own people in concentration camps, auctioned off their property, and deported tens of thousands of them for dubious reasons.

Hahahahaha no.

I'm not downplaying the severity of the Japanese internment, but we've done way, way worse. For starters, look at basically any interaction the U.S. has ever had with the native population. And do I need to remind you that literal millions of people were held as chattel slaves over a period of more than 75 years (and much longer before it was technically "US history"), with lingering effects even up to this day, and most of our pre-Civil War Presidents not only endorsed this practice, but participated in it?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:04 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Kowani wrote:Cuomo offers yet another apology

just resign already plz


I stopped listening and started laughing after he said he was sorry if he offended anyone. Every married man tries that excuse. Once. My wife laughed herself sick as well. The only thing missing from his nonapology shitshow was a political wife standing behind him with an adoring look and frozen smile on her face. But it pretty much explains why he's divorced.

All that being said I'm still waiting for the explanation of why not counting some deaths of nursing home residents that happened in hospitals as deaths of nursing home residents warrants an FBI investigation, particularly with the COVID-related shit going down in Florida. Luckily for the Andy Cuomo haters they're dealing with yet another in the long list of politicians who never learned which was the proper side of his pants to keep his pecker on.

Hes not going to go anywhere. The best we can hope for is him not running for a fourth term.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:19 pm

Sex is great. But have you tried data visualizations of partisan spatial segregation?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:24 pm


excellent hopefully Democrats can find a way to get it to pass the Senate.

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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:37 pm

Eahland wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:And? That does not excuse that FDR committed arguably the biggest human rights violation in US history, in direct violation of the Constitution. His achievements don't negate that he put his own people in concentration camps, auctioned off their property, and deported tens of thousands of them for dubious reasons.

Hahahahaha no.

I'm not downplaying the severity of the Japanese internment, but we've done way, way worse. For starters, look at basically any interaction the U.S. has ever had with the native population. And do I need to remind you that literal millions of people were held as chattel slaves over a period of more than 75 years (and much longer before it was technically "US history"), with lingering effects even up to this day, and most of our pre-Civil War Presidents not only endorsed this practice, but participated in it?

There is fundamentally a political difference between them, and that is the friend-enemy distinction. The Japanese-Americans were American citizens, the others were not, that is to say, FDR is the US president who committed war crimes against his own people.

That said, you're absolutely right, and I worded my post incredibly poorly.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:excellent hopefully Democrats can find a way to get it to pass the Senate.

10 Republican votes? Not a chance.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:40 pm

Kowani wrote:the world's greatest deliberative body
(Image)

I don't mean to sound rude but we've reached a stupid level of discourse.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:40 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
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Trying to help everyone means helping the 1% as well.

There's some point between 75% and 99% where a left-of-center government has to draw the line, and say "you people don't need government help, you've already helped yourself plenty".

That said, I wouldn't go much below 75%. It's political suicide to disdain the middle class.


Well someone should have thought of that about 70 years ago.


The percentage of income going to the top 1% reached a low in the late 70's, at 11%. Since about 1980 that has been rising and is now around 20%

The UK over the same time rose from 6% to 14%, and Canada from 8% to 14%

"70 years ago" is so unfounded in facts, I assume you're trying to deflect the blame from Reaganomics to ... I don't even know ... deficit spending on the Korean War or something?
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Postby Loeje » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:41 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:the world's greatest deliberative body
(Image)

I don't mean to sound rude but we've reached a stupid level of discourse.

I don't disagree with that. We all know that it's a lot of money.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:43 pm

Kowani wrote:the world's greatest deliberative body
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Send this to the Senate Hall of Fame alongside Inhofe holding a snowball and Mike "Reagan riding a dinosaur" Lee please.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:45 pm

Loeje wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I don't mean to sound rude but we've reached a stupid level of discourse.

I don't disagree with that. We all know that it's a lot of money.

For most of its citizens the United States is a failing state. But honestly, it was inevitably going to fail from the start.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:My girlfriend: He's probably thinking about other women right now.

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The Republican Party is a cult these days. It's past peak Mccarthy.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:48 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kowani wrote:the world's greatest deliberative body
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I don't mean to sound rude but we've reached a stupid level of discourse.


This is why the Australian parliament forbids "props". If a member wants to make a dumb point like that they have to read it aloud (while being heckled) which a mathematically-challenged member probably would not venture to.

"One mile, as we all know, is 63 point three six oh inches, meaning that ..."
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Postby Shu Chengdu » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:50 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:My girlfriend: He's probably thinking about other women right now.

My brain: (Image)

The Republican Party is a cult these days.


Whatever makes you think that?...
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Postby Umeria » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:51 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:Trying to help everyone means helping the 1% as well.

So? Proportionally it's negligible to them, and it doesn't increase the total cost all that much since they only make up 1% of the population. Means-testing, no matter how careful you are, leads to some people who need the money not getting it.
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Postby Loeje » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:51 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Loeje wrote:I don't disagree with that. We all know that it's a lot of money.

For most of its citizens the United States is a failing state. But honestly, it was inevitably going to fail from the start.

I don't know that it was always inevitable. But right now, yeah, that sounds pretty accurate.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:54 pm

Picairn wrote:
San Lumen wrote:excellent hopefully Democrats can find a way to get it to pass the Senate.

10 Republican votes? Not a chance.


Then get rid of the filibuster as it is and go back to the way it used to be. Talk and if you yield the floor the bill comes up to vote.

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Postby Sundiata » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:54 pm

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I don't mean to sound rude but we've reached a stupid level of discourse.


This is why the Australian parliament forbids "props". If a member wants to make a dumb point like that they have to read it aloud (while being heckled) which a mathematically-challenged member probably would not venture to.

"One mile, as we all know, is 63 point three six oh inches, meaning that ..."

The United States is unfortunately not a full democracy though. I believe that its politicians are too compromised to get any substantive change accomplished. With the increased liquidation of all facets of American life, the populace is doomed to the power of private tyrannies.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:54 pm



Oh poor him.

I am sure he is shedding tears as he deposits his payouts.

Wonder what was the total of his golden parachute?
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pm

Shu Chengdu wrote:
Sundiata wrote:The Republican Party is a cult these days.


Whatever makes you think that?...

The Republican Party with pride embraces everything ugly about the United States.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:Then get rid of the filibuster as it is and go back to the way it used to be. Talk and if you yield the floor the bill comes up to vote.

Maybe you can bring this suggestion to Manchin and Sinema.
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