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Do you accept Luna's offer?

Yes
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No
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The Greater Gothic Empire
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Postby The Greater Gothic Empire » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:01 am

Rusozak wrote:Sounds like a Slaaneshi trap!

I know. Conscious of the consequences behind the offer, I do not want to end up like Dorian Gray and his portrait, so I would breed my own luck while turning down any offer of endless pleasure.
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:06 am

The Greater Gothic Empire wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Sounds like a Slaaneshi trap!

I know. Conscious of the consequences behind the offer, I do not want to end up like Dorian Gray and his portrait, so I would breed my own luck while turning down any offer of endless pleasure.

ive never actually read up on Dorian Gray, could you give me an abridged version to what it has to do with the chaos god of depravity?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:22 am

YES

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:28 am

I, no doubt, would be highly sceptical of this fantastical feline and its promises. I feel like I’d accept, after all existence does not have any higher meaning to and simply fulfilling one’s fantasies and desires is as natural a calling as one can be. However I think my dedication and love for my family would come first and foremost, a life without them would be torture and I could not abandon them for any reason.
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Postby L-453 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:34 am

If you agree and then end up in Tirana lying in an ice-bath with your kidneys missing, don't come crying back to me because I told you so.

Also I like a world of ambiguity and hardships, makes things more interesting than a perfect world for the rest of your life. So yeah, I don't really agree with going to a 'world of infinite pleasure', and would much rather live in a realistic world with people I know and am familiar with.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:41 am

I value agency too much, so no battery park for me. But i do get picking otherwise.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:43 am

But of course
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:47 am

If I said yes I would be useless, my life would have no ultimate meaning, and no one would be able to truly love me while I also wouldn’t be able to truly love anybody. Things might seem fine, but I would be nothing more than practically dead, I would be a burden to my family, and the rest of society, I would feel good, but everyone else would feel terrible. I would experience pleasure like never before, but not real pleasure, only simulated pleasure. And in turn I would make people with ACTUAL feeling unhappy, and more miserable than ever. If everything would be a simulation, then even the pleasure I would experience would be, meaning I wouldn’t actually be happy, I would be more depressed than ever, but convince myself that I was happy. The answer is obviously no, and if you answer yes you’re selfish and a coward, not being strong enough to face reality. Or perhaps I’m just overthinking things?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:49 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Sengoku Americas wrote:Suppose one day on your way home from work, you are stopped by a magical cat who offers you a choice: a life with unlimited pleasure and no pain or responsibilities. According to Ms. Magical Cat (whose name is Luna, by the way), you would be immersed in a simulation which is so perfectly created that you would never be able to tell the different between real life and simulation world. However, in simulation world, your life will be completely different. No more pain, no more sadness, no more working overtime, no more anxiety. Luna promises all of those displeasures will be replaced with nothing but your dreams being fulfilled in every way. Simply wish for something, and the laws of simulation universe will bend to accommodate your desire.

Do you accept Luna's offer?

I might have to seriously consider her offer, and even accept in certain cases.


I grab the cat.

I now have a cat.

Why would I want to change that reality?

D'aaawwwww

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:09 am

Sengoku Americas wrote:Suppose one day on your way home from work, you are stopped by a magical cat [...]

Ew. Filth. I keep walking as soon as I see it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Sengoku Americas wrote:Suppose one day on your way home from work, you are stopped by a magical cat [...]

Ew. Filth. I keep walking as soon as I see it.


HEY!! I am sitting right here. :twisted:
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Postby L-453 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:34 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Sengoku Americas wrote:Suppose one day on your way home from work, you are stopped by a magical cat [...]

Ew. Filth. I keep walking as soon as I see it.

Good, you can't trust the Albanian mafia and their 'cats'.

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Postby Qhevak » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:37 am

No, especially because I only have Luna's word as evidence that the simulation is what they say it is.

Why is an alien trying to get a random primitive to plug themselves into their simulation? I doubt there's no ulterior motive involved here - I'd guess it's probably an experiment of some sort, and in their simulation I have no ability to keep them from doing whatever they want to me whenever they want.
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Postby Nalver And » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:57 am

i remember the saying

"its too good to be true when they are no cons"
this also applies to this one question
i might say yes but knowing you are in a simulation rather then reality
i will say no to this
and a magical cat appearing out of nowhere for no reason, that is just too good is it?
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Postby Diahon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:08 am

it would be grossly unfair for me alone to live a life of infinite bliss

let all sentient beings partake, not just me

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Postby Zul-ar » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:11 am

Yes, assuming I retain my current memories. If it's fulfilling dreams, my one and only dream is true omnipotence. Being god in a simulation sounds fun, and if I ever want more challenge, as I am omnipotent, I am capable of creating challenge.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:59 am

No, not because I'm averse to a lack of suffering, but because being trapped in a virtual world would be nightmarish. There would be zero opportunity to learn and grow because everything would be catered to what you want, and people often aren't the best judges when it comes to what they want or need. I'm also savvy enough to know it usually doesn't end well when a small furry creature offers a girl magical powers.
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Postby Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:07 am

Yeah, I think the "I have no reason to trust her" people are right on this one.

If there was some divine inspiration, or an infallible word from the creators of the universe that this worked, or something similarly stupendously obvious, I may have enough reason to accept the offer — some people are making good points about how challenge and purpose can be reconstructed if need be. And there's all kinds of things I'd want to do given immortality and total freedom that I can't get to now. The problem is that if this just happened in front of me one day, and nothing else suggested it might be reliable, I'd start getting suspicious really quick.

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Postby Diahon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:08 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:No, not because I'm averse to a lack of suffering, but because being trapped in a virtual world would be nightmarish. There would be zero opportunity to learn and grow because everything would be catered to what you want, and people often aren't the best judges when it comes to what they want or need. I'm also savvy enough to know it usually doesn't end well when a small furry creature offers a girl magical powers.


why would you wanna keep on growing when everything is served head on foot? is not growing such a bad thing, especially if everyone else gets the same tailor-made treatment as you do?

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Postby Senkaku » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:11 am

Taking the premise at face value and assuming this is real and not a trap, yeah, I probably would. Presumably if it's indistinguishable from reality and can offer me infinite pleasures, versions of my loved ones that I couldn't distinguish from the real ones would probably be in there too, so I wouldn't be worried (as some other people have expressed) about not being able to see them, and if you're refusing because you're worried about the moral implications of living in a simulation or a life without meaning... I have some bad news for you about our reality. :p
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Postby Diahon » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:13 am

our reality is bad, but any reality would be more filled with suffering than what our feline friend has offered

take it, and free the world from suffering

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:15 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Sengoku Americas wrote:Suppose one day on your way home from work, you are stopped by a magical cat who offers you a choice: a life with unlimited pleasure and no pain or responsibilities. According to Ms. Magical Cat (whose name is Luna, by the way), you would be immersed in a simulation which is so perfectly created that you would never be able to tell the different between real life and simulation world. However, in simulation world, your life will be completely different. No more pain, no more sadness, no more working overtime, no more anxiety. Luna promises all of those displeasures will be replaced with nothing but your dreams being fulfilled in every way. Simply wish for something, and the laws of simulation universe will bend to accommodate your desire.

Do you accept Luna's offer?

I might have to seriously consider her offer, and even accept in certain cases.


I grab the cat.

I now have a cat.

Why would I want to change that reality?

You also have a talking cat
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:17 am

Tbh I’m conflicted. On one hand I could stop my depression, anxiety, and general fucked in the headness and I could also be back in the military that I loved. But on the other hand it just wouldn’t be the same because I wouldn’t be me.
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Postby Dorylaeumnia » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:31 am

Greater Victora wrote:I accept the offer and then what? I have nothing more to strive for. No more aspirations. Life no longer has meaning. If everything is great and fantastic than what even is the point of doing anything? Sooner or later happiness will loose its meaning and pleasure won't be pleasure. Reality would bend to prevent you from suffering from bordom but in turn would only cause more stagnation. It turns into a horrifying and incomprehensible paradox.

So no, I would never accept the offer.


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