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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:53 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:No you're not, I said tax the fucking rich in the area, rich people who work or live in the cities or do business in the city should be taxed, yet you have a fucking problem with it, because you like bootlick to the rich corporatists.

Why can't the rural poor be sponsored with city taxes to move into the city?

Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:54 pm

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The urban poor already have city jobs, city education (well at least through highschool, and affording anything beyond that would not be easy), and city healthcare; they are still the urban poor.

The urban poor should completely be supported by the city beyond high school, that way they'll be educated enough to generate more revenue for the city.

And there will still be need for people to work the tills and stock the shelves and clean the floors. And those individuals will still be the urban poor.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:54 pm

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And somehow that's going to magically give you enough money to build new water pipes or infrastructure?

Why has nowhere done such a simple solution? I don't boot lick anyone. I want the rich taxed more and we stop balding luxury penthouses for them they don't even live in but if the solution was as simple as you make it out to be it would have been done. It has nothing to do with campaign contributions.

No rural member of the state legislature here has ever proposed such a bill and I doubt anywhere else. Why don't they?

Yes.

Because the rich are the government.


If it was so simple then it would have been proposed. The rich are the government of Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, Iowa or Tennessee? Their state legislature is all uber rich people?

Why hasn't the legislature of any of these places proposed and passed a bill like the one you want?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:55 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Why can't the rural poor be sponsored with city taxes to move into the city?

Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:55 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Why can't the rural poor be sponsored with city taxes to move into the city?

Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.


You can't cap a city population. Thats not practical nor feasible plus the government cannot tell you where to reside.

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Yes.

Because the rich are the government.


If it was so simple then it would have been proposed. The rich are the government of Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, Iowa or Tennessee? Their state legislature is all uber rich people?

Why hasn't the legislature of any of these places proposed and passed a bill like the one you want?

Yes.

Because the Rich don't care about the poor, only money and power for themselves.

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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.


You can't cap a city population. Thats not practical nor feasible plus the government cannot tell you where to reside.

All of this is wrong. Internal passports will be needed however.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:57 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Why can't the rural poor be sponsored with city taxes to move into the city?

Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.

Everyone can absolutely live in cities. We don't have to have homeless people, we choose to.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.

Everyone can absolutely live in cities. We don't have to have homeless people.


That's neither feasible nor desirable.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:58 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If it was so simple then it would have been proposed. The rich are the government of Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, Iowa or Tennessee? Their state legislature is all uber rich people?

Why hasn't the legislature of any of these places proposed and passed a bill like the one you want?

Yes.

Because the Rich don't care about the poor, only money and power for themselves.


You can't be serious. Your simply generalizing when you make statements like that. What's your proof the Missouri, Iowa Tennessee legislature is made of mostly millionaires? The answer is their is none because its not true.

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Postby Sundiata » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Everyone can absolutely live in cities. We don't have to have homeless people.


That's neither feasible nor desirable.

It's more desirable than having homeless people, that's disgusting.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Yes.

Because the Rich don't care about the poor, only money and power for themselves.


You can't be serious. Your simply generalizing when you make statements like that. What's your proof the Missouri, Iowa Tennessee legislature is made of mostly millionaires? The answer is their is none because its not true.

Prove it.
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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:00 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If it was so simple then it would have been proposed. The rich are the government of Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, Iowa or Tennessee? Their state legislature is all uber rich people?

Why hasn't the legislature of any of these places proposed and passed a bill like the one you want?

Yes.

Because the Rich don't care about the poor, only money and power for themselves.

Speaking as someone who has recently came into a considerable amount of money, this isn't entirely accurate. I still support unions and other such stuff. I just suddenly decided flat income tax systems are based however.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:00 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You can't be serious. Your simply generalizing when you make statements like that. What's your proof the Missouri, Iowa Tennessee legislature is made of mostly millionaires? The answer is their is none because its not true.

Prove it.


Why don't you since you made the outlandish claim?

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Prove it.


Why don't you since you made the outlandish claim?

Prove it.

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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:01 pm

Sundiata wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Because that wouldn't solve the issue? Plus you can't have everyone live in the cities.

How about this: no city can have more than 2.5 million residents. Cities above this mark must expel their excess population into the boondocks.

Everyone can absolutely live in cities. We don't have to have homeless people, we choose to.

You do know we can house homeless people in regular towns, right? Further, a number of industries are always going to be more rural based. Mining, forestry, energy production, agriculture. We kind of need these things.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:02 pm

Sundiata wrote:
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That's neither feasible nor desirable.

It's more desirable than having homeless people, that's disgusting.

The option isn't just between homeless people and living in the city...you are aware of that yes? And cities are very well known for having homelessness issues.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:02 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why don't you since you made the outlandish claim?

Prove it.

Here, have at it, both of you https://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_of_s ... e_salaries
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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's more desirable than having homeless people, that's disgusting.

The option isn't just between homeless people and living in the city...you are aware of that yes? And cities are very well known for having homelessness issues.

Yeah doesn't LA have the largest homeless population in the USA? Not to mention the crisis in San Francisco.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:02 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You can't cap a city population. Thats not practical nor feasible plus the government cannot tell you where to reside.

All of this is wrong. Internal passports will be needed however.

how about no. The government has no right to tell you where you can reside.
Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why don't you since you made the outlandish claim?

Prove it.

The burden of proof is on you since your the one who made the claim.

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Postby Esalia » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:03 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's neither feasible nor desirable.

It's more desirable than having homeless people, that's disgusting.


We can eliminate homelessness and not herd everyone into cities.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:04 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The option isn't just between homeless people and living in the city...you are aware of that yes? And cities are very well known for having homelessness issues.

Yeah doesn't LA have the largest homeless population in the USA? Not to mention the crisis in San Francisco.

Depends, I think New York is higher than LA since 1/5 is homeless there.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:All of this is wrong. Internal passports will be needed however.

how about no. The government has no right to tell you where you can reside.
Dresderstan wrote:Prove it.

The burden of proof is on you since your the one who made the claim.

No, I'm not gonna waste my time with someone who won't listen, I don't have time for someone so stubborn like you.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:how about no. The government has no right to tell you where you can reside.
The burden of proof is on you since your the one who made the claim.

No, I'm not gonna waste my time with someone who won't listen, I don't have time for someone so stubborn like you.


Why arent you willing to prove your claim? Many state legislatures are part time and don't play a lot. Some are volunteer like New Mexico.

Tell me again how they are all millionaires: https://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_of_s ... e_salaries

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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Prove it.

Here, have at it, both of you https://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_of_s ... e_salaries

Tbf you have to account for what they were making before they went into office as well as their net worth. At the federal level they are considerably well off and I'd be surprised if it was radically different at the state level.
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