APNM Asks: Should We Abolish America?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

But how is frying the South going to solve problems? What if the rest of the South gets fried, too?

As the notable General-Secretary from the sweet state of Georgia once said: "Death solves all problems. If there's no man, there's no problem."

Technically, they're correct...

(Sorry if I was being a jerk earlier...)

[My Political Fantasy]

But how is frying the South going to solve problems? What if the rest of the South gets fried, too?

People's sense of self-worth will improve temporarily.

[The Marlborough]

I don't really care about his deluded fantasy of the United States collapsing like the USSR. The United States is MUCH different than the USSR.

Rather irrelevant.

First of all, the United States has one primary language which is English while the primary language of the Soviet Union was Russian, but in the Soviet's case only around half of the population spoke the lingua franca.

Not even remotely close to being true. The majority of non-Russians could speak Russian and evidently so could 100% of Russians who made up more than half the population themselves. In 1989 there were ~285 million people in the Soviet Union and ~230 million of them could speak Russian. Meanwhile in the US, English as a first language has been steadily decreasing from near 90% in the early 2000's to around 75% today.

There isn't really that much ethnic division like in the United States where the main cultural difference is based on race.

...Which is a major division and there is a ton of ethnic divisions in the US. Hell, there is the whole hyphenated American shenanigans and incredibly strong regional identities. There is even currently a low level ethnic cleansing campaign being conducted by some Latino street gangs against black Americans. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story.html https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304906004576371823857839048

Second, the Soviet Union had a border stetching from Finland to China. The United States had two weak neighbors which don't pose any threat to it and surround by two large oceans. The heart of the Soviet Union rested on the North European Plain which meant that it had to spend a large amount of its resources on its military.

The US spends an incredible amount of its resources and political capital in support of its military. Further, just because one is surrounded by weak neighbours does not mean it cannot internally collapse in on itself. Just look at China's history.

Third, the Soviet economy was so crappy that the only good thing it could produce was military goods. The rest of the world didn't want to buy goods from the Soviets because the products they made were shoddy. The Soviet economy was very closed off from the rest of the world market and tried to sustain itself by cutting itself off from the world market.

At this point you're just pulling little tid bits in the hope that it comes across as a coherent case. When I used the Soviet Union as an example, I used it in the context of people saying I wanted to commit a genocide. Many Americans wished for the dissolution of the Soviet Union and many still consider it a good thing without it being genocidal.

[The Marlborough]

Though support for the dissolution for the USSR is still rather apt because a lot of Americans, even those further to the left, would consider it a net benefit to the world as it stopped being a threat to other countries. This is despite the absolute hellscape and economic problems it caused in the region, something which many of them still haven't recovered from.

[Atheris]

Does this mean you're fine if the American South suffers?

Yes, Dixie must suffer to become the barren, lifeless wasteland she was always meant to be.

Sherman Moment^TM

[The Marlborough]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Hell no

Longer answer: If one wants to kill America, they also want

1: The death of over three hundred million people
2: All the history of America, among it universally loved people like Einstein and MLK, completely gone
3: The values of the revolution, those being liberty, equality, democracy, and unity, to fail and be seen as worthless
4: A return of the British Empire at full force, ruling every inch of this world by a supposed divine right
5: The complete destruction of Vietnam, Venezuela, Liberia, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, and many other nations
6: A shot through the heart for Russia, China, Cuba, and France

If we had no America, this whole world would be hell, no matter how bad our government's been.

This post is entirely nonsensical.

[Stellar Colonies]

Though support for the dissolution for the USSR is still rather apt because a lot of Americans, even those further to the left, would consider it a net benefit to the world as it stopped being a threat to other countries. This is despite the absolute hellscape and economic problems it caused in the region, something which many of them still haven't recovered from.

Not really.

Most merely want to alter our foreign policy (sometimes involves military withdrawals), and institute reforms, not dissolve the country itself.

Like #Calexit^TM, they are a fringe.

[The Marlborough]

Though support for the dissolution for the USSR is still rather apt because a lot of Americans, even those further to the left, would consider it a net benefit to the world as it stopped being a threat to other countries. This is despite the absolute hellscape and economic problems it caused in the region, something which many of them still haven't recovered from.

Not really.

Most merely want to alter our foreign policy (sometimes involves military withdrawals), and institute reforms, not dissolve the country itself.

Like #Calexit^TM, they are a fringe.

I was talking about the dissolution of the USSR and the support that historical event gets from Americans.

[Stellar Colonies]

Not really.

Most merely want to alter our foreign policy (sometimes involves military withdrawals), and institute reforms, not dissolve the country itself.

Like #Calexit^TM, they are a fringe.

I was talking about the dissolution of the USSR and the support that historical event gets from Americans.

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[My Political Fantasy]

Though support for the dissolution for the USSR is still rather apt because a lot of Americans, even those further to the left, would consider it a net benefit to the world as it stopped being a threat to other countries. This is despite the absolute hellscape and economic problems it caused in the region, something which many of them still haven't recovered from.

I would consider it a net benefit for another reason other than ideological, at least it gave the United States a reason to maintain and expand its military capabilities rather than having a basically non-existent force before WW2

[Punished UMN]

One could argue that the fear which Americans instinctually seem to have of large numbers of immigrants stems from the United States' widespread and historical usage of filibustering to undermine the sovereignty of its neighbors in preparation for annexation.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

One could argue that the fear which Americans instinctually seem to have of large numbers of immigrants stems from the United States' widespread and historical usage of filibustering to undermine the sovereignty of its neighbors in preparation for annexation.

man we should bring this back only without the consent of the federal government

[Cordel One]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Hell no

Longer answer: If one wants to kill America, they also want

1: The death of over three hundred million people
2: All the history of America, among it universally loved people like Einstein and MLK, completely gone
3: The values of the revolution, those being liberty, equality, democracy, and unity, to fail and be seen as worthless
4: A return of the British Empire at full force, ruling every inch of this world by a supposed divine right
5: The complete destruction of Vietnam, Venezuela, Liberia, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, and many other nations
6: A shot through the heart for Russia, China, Cuba, and France

If we had no America, this whole world would be hell, no matter how bad our government's been.

What now

[The Reformed American Republic]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Hell no

Longer answer: If one wants to kill America, they also want

1: The death of over three hundred million people
2: All the history of America, among it universally loved people like Einstein and MLK, completely gone
3: The values of the revolution, those being liberty, equality, democracy, and unity, to fail and be seen as worthless
4: A return of the British Empire at full force, ruling every inch of this world by a supposed divine right
5: The complete destruction of Vietnam, Venezuela, Liberia, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, and many other nations
6: A shot through the heart for Russia, China, Cuba, and France

If we had no America, this whole world would be hell, no matter how bad our government's been.

What now

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

[Punished UMN]

What now

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

That's not the point, the point is that the post quoted is just dumb, as OT pointed out.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

That's not the point, the point is that the post quoted is just dumb, as OT pointed out.

What I posted was just general advice, not a rehabilitation of any particular post.

[The Marlborough]

What now

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

I have many friends from America.

[Joohan]

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

I have many friends from America.

I don't hate America - some of my good friends are American!

[Atheris]

I know you hate the country, but don't attempt to get on the (now mod removed) OP's good graces. He hates all Americans as a people, and that no doubt includes you.

I have many friends from America.

"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Not really.

Most merely want to alter our foreign policy (sometimes involves military withdrawals), and institute reforms, not dissolve the country itself.

Like #Calexit^TM, they are a fringe.

I was talking about the dissolution of the USSR and the support that historical event gets from Americans.

Well I for one consider the collapse of the USSR to be a mistake considering the short term and long term effects. Even to this day I'd prefer a USSR the was reformed by Gorbachev than the current, fractured, warring states (except the Baltics which have gotten American protection) led by strongmen dictators.

The logic for the US is no different. Again, splitting one of the largest economies in the world would create serious economic issues for the world, which still relies on America. It'd be like splitting up China, except instead of removing a large producer we'd be removing a large consumer.

Also, it's funny how you confuse Americans ignoring/forgetting about Canada for Americans not respecting and wanting to invade Canada. Always ready to twist America into the villain, eh?

[The Reformed American Republic]

I was talking about the dissolution of the USSR and the support that historical event gets from Americans.

Well I for one consider the collapse of the USSR to be a mistake considering the short term and long term effects. Even to this day I'd prefer a USSR the was reformed by Gorbachev than the current, fractured, warring states (except the Baltics which have gotten American protection) led by strongmen dictators.

The logic for the US is no different. Again, splitting one of the largest economies in the world would create serious economic issues for the world, which still relies on America. It'd be like splitting up China, except instead of removing a large producer we'd be removing a large consumer.

Also, it's funny how you confuse Americans ignoring/forgetting about Canada for Americans not respecting and wanting to invade Canada. Always ready to twist America into the villain, eh?

I agree with this. The USSR was better together. What needed to end was the gulags and the KGB having the power to bypass the criminal justice system and disappear dissidents. In other words, a democratic USSR.

[Salus Maior]

One could argue that the fear which Americans instinctually seem to have of large numbers of immigrants stems from the United States' widespread and historical usage of filibustering to undermine the sovereignty of its neighbors in preparation for annexation.

I think fear of immigrants is something which is almost universal.

And most Americans don't even know what filibustering was.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

What is it with people proposing genocidal ideas like abolition of countries popping up in NSG lately? First Nekostan, and now Marlborough.

Abolition of China is not genocidal. I don’t know where you got that idea from. Azerbaijan abolishing the Nargono-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast or Soviet abolition of Chechen ASSR did correlate with (attempted) genocide though since they were clearly meant to be something more than political change.

I have not seen the OP so I do not know whether their proposal is genocidal.

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

as long as we get free Cascadia I'm happy

[United Chinese Communes]

I consider the dissolution of the US to be a net good not just for the rest of the world, but potentially for Americans themselves. The United States is increasingly dysfunctional and schizophrenic as the partisan divide grows and drags the country in opposite directions. The abolition of the US could allow for people to form new communities more suited to their belief systems than existing society, thus negating any perceived need for political violence. Mind you, I admit that this is a rather far-fetched and utopian proposal, but it would be nice if it worked.