Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: The Great Betrayal

[Salus Maior]

I was really hoping we'd see Armenia march on Baku.

I don't see what good that would have done.

Artsakh is Armenian, yes, but Azerbaijan in general isn't. That would have just sown more death and destruction where there doesn't need to be.

This is of course assuming Armenia had the capacity to do that, which of course they don't.

[Salus Maior]

I don't see what good that would have done.

i.e. Armenia wins the war, allowing it to formally annex Artsakh.

Well, Armenia didn't have the capacity to do that anyway.

[The Yellow Emperor]

Unfortunate that Armenia has lost, however, they need to move on now and look to the future.

[Rio Cana]

Unfortunate that Armenia has lost, however, they need to move on now and look to the future.

Correct. Once the land is given back, Azerbaijan and Turkey should proceed to re-open there borders with Armenia to commercial trade once again.

So some here say the EU. will never take in Armenia. So what is left to them. Will they then go the way of NK. and develop there own missiles and nukes. Chances are if they develop nukes then the EU. would care about Armenia.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Azerbaijan butchered Armenians living on their own land and the world just fucking watched. It makes me sick knowing that the bloodthirsty thugs in Baku were able to wage a war of aggression against a weaker power and bully it into submission without so much as a condemnation. This does not set a good precedent for future wars in the region or anywhere else for that matter. I only hope this won't be the first step in a chain of events leading to the destruction of the Armenian nation.

[Rio Cana]

Found out Armenia has been importing Turkish items for years. Last year Turkey exported US$265.41 million to Armenia. Seems the Turkish trucks report that the goods are for re-sale in Georgia. But once in Georgia they change paperwork and drive on to Armenia. Turkish trucks are allowed to enter Armenia. Supposedly, it was easier to do years ago. But now it has gotten somewhat more difficult. Armenia really did not export anything to Turkey since really Armenian trucks are not allowed to enter Turkey. And Georgia is making a bundle by charging a re-export tax between $800 to $1200 for trucks heading to Armenia. This extra cost is a problem that many landlocked nations must face.

[Aureumterra III]

What a sad defeat

[Rio Cana]

Found this short report from Radio Free Europe of the Armenians from Artsakh leaving - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPDX-ul1TcQ

[Dakran]

The Kingdom of Deacarsia fully supports the Republic of Armenia in its conflict with the Republic of Azerbaijan.

This... This isn't the RP forum. This is real life.

[Nakena]

It's also interesting who supplied the azeri with some of the more advanced drone technologies.

[Salus Maior]

It's also interesting who supplied the azeri with some of the more advanced drone technologies.

Yeah, we know about that.

It's pretty obvious that Israel is in bed with Azerbaijan. Mostly because of anti-Iranian geopolitics.

[Albionist Great Britain]

It's also interesting who supplied the azeri with some of the more advanced drone technologies.

Yeah, we know about that.

It's pretty obvious that Israel is in bed with Azerbaijan. Mostly because of anti-Iranian geopolitics.

Though I am Zionist, I’m firmly against Israeli aid going towards Baku. The Turks’ attitude should’ve raised red alarms and reminded the Jews of Hitler.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Yeah, we know about that.

It's pretty obvious that Israel is in bed with Azerbaijan. Mostly because of anti-Iranian geopolitics.

Though I am Zionist, I’m firmly against Israeli aid going towards Baku. The Turks’ attitude should’ve raised red alarms and reminded the Jews of Hitler.

It's strategic. They help Baku, Baku lets them use their land as a potential springboard in case of war with the IR. What I'm more offended by is Israel not recognizing the Armenian Genocide in the first place, which is a lot more bizarre.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Though I am Zionist, I’m firmly against Israeli aid going towards Baku. The Turks’ attitude should’ve raised red alarms and reminded the Jews of Hitler.

It's strategic. They help Baku, Baku lets them use their land as a potential springboard in case of war with the IR. What I'm more offended by is Israel not recognizing the Armenian Genocide in the first place, which is a lot more bizarre.

Haven’t they? That’s fucking bullshit. The Israelis should know full well what a genocide looks like and anything that goes against the interest of the Turks is justified.

[Baltenstein]

Though I am Zionist, I’m firmly against Israeli aid going towards Baku. The Turks’ attitude should’ve raised red alarms and reminded the Jews of Hitler.

It's strategic. They help Baku, Baku lets them use their land as a potential springboard in case of war with the IR. What I'm more offended by is Israel not recognizing the Armenian Genocide in the first place, which is a lot more bizarre.

Historically, this has a lot do with wanting to maintain good relations with Turkey, whose relations with Israel were generally very good before they started deteriorating under Erdogan.
It should also be noted that Israel had a similarly great relationship with the South African Apartheid - you'd think that this also should have given them a massive dose of "DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING", but Realpolitik is what it is.

It still is a bit revolting to see Israeli newspapers running headlines about the alleged spread and depth of anti-semitism among Armenians (so clearly, we shouldn't feel too sad when the Azeris attack and ethnically cleanse them).

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

[The Huskar Social Union]

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

Hey guys the Azeris are a bunch of Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aserbaidschanische_Legion


Its obviously true guys because i found a wiki article on a few thousand of them that fought for the Nazis so clearly Azerbaijan is a nazi country with antisemetic nazi policies i mean that is how it works now guys


sorry guy this is just me being a racist fascist or something.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

Hey guys the Azeris are a bunch of Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aserbaidschanische_Legion


Its obviously true guys because i found a wiki article on a few thousand of them that fought for the Nazis so clearly Azerbaijan is a nazi country with antisemetic nazi policies i mean that is how it works now guys


sorry guy this is just me being a racist fascist or something.

A more modern example would be the Antiarmenianism present in """Azerbaijan""" and Turkey. The former doesn’t consider Armenia a legitimate nation and Armenians as foreign squatters. It’s best to just ignore Hakinda otherwise you’re giving attention to a racist Turkosupremacist that deserves none of it.

[Baltenstein]

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

Hey guys the Azeris are a bunch of Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aserbaidschanische_Legion


Its obviously true guys because i found a wiki article on a few thousand of them that fought for the Nazis so clearly Azerbaijan is a nazi country with antisemetic nazi policies i mean that is how it works now guys


sorry guy this is just me being a racist fascist or something.

In fact, all Turkic peoples everywhere are Nazis. As are all Greeks, for that matter.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hey guys the Azeris are a bunch of Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aserbaidschanische_Legion


Its obviously true guys because i found a wiki article on a few thousand of them that fought for the Nazis so clearly Azerbaijan is a nazi country with antisemetic nazi policies i mean that is how it works now guys


sorry guy this is just me being a racist fascist or something.

A more modern example would be the Antiarmenianism present in """Azerbaijan""" and Turkey. The former doesn’t consider Armenia a legitimate nation and Armenians as foreign squatters. It’s best to just ignore Hakinda otherwise you’re giving attention to a racist Turkosupremacist that deserves none of it.

Trust me im throwing him on ignore now, sick and tired of his thinly veiled supremacist bullshit

[The Restored Danelaw]

A more modern example would be the Antiarmenianism present in """Azerbaijan""" and Turkey. The former doesn’t consider Armenia a legitimate nation and Armenians as foreign squatters. It’s best to just ignore Hakinda otherwise you’re giving attention to a racist Turkosupremacist that deserves none of it.

Trust me im throwing him on ignore now, sick and tired of his thinly veiled supremacist bullshit

He's like the second person I've ever put on ignore, because of these exact kinds of comments tbh.

[Insaanistan]

Trust me im throwing him on ignore now, sick and tired of his thinly veiled supremacist bullshit

He's like the second person I've ever put on ignore, because of these exact kinds of comments tbh.

I don’t put them on ignore: I like to argue with ‘em.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

this just seems like grasping at straws tbh

[Wropdeedop]

This isn't the worst outcome. The Azerbaijani's could've decided not to stop at Shusha. It's unclear if Russia really have the appetite to stop them from going all the way. I feel sorry for the Armenians, that they lost a significant portion of NK, but Pashinyan was behind some severe blunders. And not only could he have prevented this war from occurring (and not gotten Turkey involved with stupid statements about the Sevres Treaty) but Armenia really should have ended this conflict years ago. They had ample opportunity to do a land swap with foreign peacekeepers that didn't involve losing large portions of NK, but their nationalists prevented that.

The hope now is that Putin doesn't go super cynic and that Aliyev is generous and lets go of NK.

[Vapormancer]

It seems the Armenian military was gutted by somebody with pro-Western sympathies and then he wondered what the fuck happened when his military couldn't fight. In the run up the war, the PM purged:

1. Almost his entire general staff on the grounds that a wedding broke COVID restrictions
2. Cycled three intelligence chiefs with the most critical post going to an NGO guy who had no experience in the field, halted information sharing with the Russians
3. Removed integration of their AA net with the Russians
4. Started acting tough with the Azeris

It seems Azeribaijan not only saw the opportunity but kept a number of trump cards in its deck

1. Turkish/Israeli drones and rumors of foreign operators of them
2. A crack mountain unit to attack their campaign end point of Shusha
3. The Turkish general staff drew up their campaign plan
4. Turkish intelligence may have found and eliminated at traitor who was Armenia's early warning person
5. Azerbaijan had a crack lobbyist force in all the major capitals, they also utilized existing Israeli patronage networks to ensure good coverage as Israeli didn't want to look bad selling weapons to a "bad guy", a diplomatically isolated target is a very easy target

The losses were about equal at the end of the day including the Arab legion fodder the Azeris used to spot positions. They also cleverly used old AN-2s to bait Armenian AAs. The beheading of the Armenian General staff would explain pretty well why they reacted so poorly, with virtual zero initiative. A good count of just how much damage 11 drones did is here. The AN-2s helped fool everyone into thinking the Azeris had far more than they had. It seems drones here to stay and help countries punch far far above their weight. Armenia has bled so much heavy equipment that they are probably not a threat for the next 10-15 years. They don't have the money or industry to replace these losses. Only becoming a defacto satellite again do they have a chance.