RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg!

[Sundiata]

Ultimately, I think that for those opposed to abortion like myself should stray from theology and try to make our case against abortion in a constitutional manner. I'm personally trying to gain a better understanding to make that case.

I am religious, but am not against abortion because of religion, it is just wrong in every way to me.

I agree, and there will come a day of healing where we are cleansed forever.

[Sundiata]

Ultimately, I think that for those opposed to abortion like myself should stray from theology and try to make our case against abortion in a constitutional manner. I'm personally trying to gain a better understanding to make that case.

I am religious, but am not against abortion because of religion, it is just wrong in every way to me.

I agree with you but unfortunately our detractors do not.

[Tekania]

No update from Grassley on his intentions. He did post this on Twitter, though.

(Image)

His twitter is bizarre. I remember other similar things coming from him in the past.

The saddest thing about is Twitter feed is that it is still more preferable than Trump's.

[New haven america]

Ultimately, I think that for those opposed to abortion like myself should stray from theology and try to make our case against abortion in a constitutional manner. I'm personally trying to gain a better understanding to make that case.

I am religious, but am not against abortion because of religion, it is just wrong in every way to me.

Yeah yeah, the fetus is sacred and must not be harmed, until it's born and becomes viewed as nothing more than a leech on the welfare system.

[Tekania]

I am going to post this post here of Biden with a video link and later on today on the related election thread.

Even Joe Biden, once said a US Supreme Court nominee could be confirmed a few months before an election, talk about hypocrisy, lol.

He also said if the nominee were chosen with the advice and not merely the consent of the Senate as the constitution requires.

GMS: Well the majority of the 53 Republican senators, probably 50 or 51 agree with President Trump s nominee right now as the US constitution allows him too. Biden also said other strong words why it should happen.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... mpaign=582

Does this justify Republicans flip-flopping as well, in your eyes?

I'll just say the same here as I did off in social media land when my old Boot Camp Company commander was pissed about the hypocrisy doing on in the Senate over this from 2016 and people saying well the dems are too.

"I don't accept the 'well they are doing it' argument from children, and therefore I certainly won't accept it from people purporting to be grown-ass adults."

[Saiyan Galactic Empire]

the empire sends its condolences to the humans

General is out of character.

Sorry I just want to role-playing with my country

[Tekania]

General is out of character.

Sorry I just want to role-playing with my country

There's a whole slew of places to do that at the top of the forum listing.

[Major-Tom]

No update from Grassley on his intentions. He did post this on Twitter, though.

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I found the tweet humorous and provided a much needed chuckle.

Pretty funny, but the fact that he's serious is kinda weird. Wonder if he's been going, y'know, sundowning.

[Greed and Death]

I am going to post this post here of Biden with a video link and later on today on the related election thread.

Even Joe Biden, once said a US Supreme Court nominee could be confirmed a few months before an election, talk about hypocrisy, lol.

He also said if the nominee were chosen with the advice and not merely the consent of the Senate as the constitution requires.

GMS: Well the majority of the 53 Republican senators, probably 50 or 51 agree with President Trump s nominee right now as the US constitution allows him too. Biden also said other strong words why it should happen.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... mpaign=582

Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.

I think the Republicans have never played anything but politics.

[The Black Forrest]

Counter point: There's even more words from Republicans in the past on why it shouldn't happen. The hypocrisy is going both ways.

I think the Republicans have never played anything but politics.

I am shocked they are liars.

[Greed and Death]

I think the Republicans have never played anything but politics.

I am shocked they are liars.

First time watching a politician speak ?

[The Black Forrest]

I am shocked they are liars.

First time watching a politician speak ?

Nah I have always known republicans are liars. All that morality talk and caring about the country bullshit.

[Gig em Aggies]

First time watching a politician speak ?

Nah I have always known republicans are liars. All that morality talk and caring about the country bullshit.

well TBH most politicians eventually turn into liars if they stay in DC long enough others only take one term to become liars.

[Rusozak]

Nah I have always known republicans are liars. All that morality talk and caring about the country bullshit.

well TBH most politicians eventually turn into liars if they stay in DC long enough others only take one term to become liars.

And others get to DC by being lairs.

[The Black Forrest]

Nah I have always known republicans are liars. All that morality talk and caring about the country bullshit.

well TBH most politicians eventually turn into liars if they stay in DC long enough others only take one term to become liars.

Oh I am not suggesting the Demos don’t lie.

Reps call themselves the party of morality and integrity.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Ultimately, I think that for those opposed to abortion like myself should stray from theology and try to make our case against abortion in a constitutional manner. I'm personally trying to gain a better understanding to make that case.

The court case did not allow legalizing , but rather forbade making illegal. The exceptions for life is quite easily obtained from the constitution, but remaining reasons stem off of what was an arbitrary decision defining the start of human life. This start is the difference between self-autonomy not infringing upon anyone's rights, and infringing severely upon someone's rights.
Unless an authoritative body redefines the start of life arbitrarily again, then it will be difficult to twist the constitution regarding abortion without it metaphorically tearing a bit.

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I am religious, but am not against abortion because of religion, it is just wrong in every way to me.

Yeah yeah, the fetus is sacred and must not be harmed, until it's born and becomes viewed as nothing more than a leech on the welfare system.

I am against abortion (because it is killing, although I am faced with Zeno's/sorites paradox when deciding the precise cut-off line; I am against meat mainly for the same reason), with the exceptions being medical requirement as deemed by a doctor (quite a bit of grey-area with necessity, but I consider this more cleanly ethical than self-defense, because medical need is under the realm of what science can prove), and maybe/eventually using the would-be abortus to test artificial wombs. If successful, the child would be given up for adoption and all abortion would be transfer to artificial wombs. I am also for schools having sex ed (I got infinitely/undefinedly more from the internet than from school), and free sterilizations and birth control paid for by taxpayers who would be allowed to hypothecate their share of the taxes. Additionally, I would expect my former teacher (of a truly bizarre twist of "pro-life" who also supported the death penalty for theft and sodomy), who said

I would not let my daughter get an abortion if it [the pregnancy (a very taboo word for him to say)] would kill her, the child would be severely disabled, and she were raped. And I would keep the mixed race [he doesn't think it would be at all likely for someone who was not a non-latinx white person to rape] child as proof of how good God is!

...I would expect him to hypothecate his taxes very much towards welfare and improving quality of life, if I didn't know (he told how the budget should be) that he claimed he would just spread it between military, police, and fire/rescue.
Basically and in general, pro-right-to-abortion is pro-quality-of-life, and anti-right-to-abortion is pro-quantity-of-lives.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Ultimately, I think that for those opposed to abortion like myself should stray from theology and try to make our case against abortion in a constitutional manner. I'm personally trying to gain a better understanding to make that case.

The court case did not allow legalizing , but rather forbade making illegal. The exceptions for life is quite easily obtained from the constitution,

Uh-huh. Such as?

but remaining reasons stem off of what was an arbitrary decision defining the start of human life. This start is the difference between self-autonomy not infringing upon anyone's rights, and infringing severely upon someone's rights.
Unless an authoritative body redefines the start of life arbitrarily again, then it will be difficult to twist the constitution regarding abortion without it metaphorically tearing a bit.

Roe v. Wade does not rule on when life begins. The beginning of the trimester is chosen arbitrarily as when the right to life of the fetus outweighs the mother's right to privacy. Planned Parenthood v. Casey introduces the concept of viability, but unwisely it didn't draw an arbitrary line so now we have states trying to set the line at 20 weeks because one fetus was prematurely delivered at that age and survived. The vast majority of fetuses would not survive, and imo that line of "viability" should be set not at the extreme case but at the developmental age that 50% (or more) of premature deliveries survive.

[Miternet]

Prolifers creep me out.

[Salus Maior]

Prolifers creep me out.

The feeling is mutual, to put it mildly.

[Salus Maior]

I am religious, but am not against abortion because of religion, it is just wrong in every way to me.

Yeah yeah, the fetus is sacred and must not be harmed, until it's born and becomes viewed as nothing more than a leech on the welfare system.

You might be pleasantly surprised to hear that there are plenty of people who consider life sacred as a whole.

[The Black Forrest]

Yeah yeah, the fetus is sacred and must not be harmed, until it's born and becomes viewed as nothing more than a leech on the welfare system.

You might be pleasantly surprised to hear that there are plenty of people who consider life sacred as a whole.

Until they are taxed to support it.

[Salus Maior]

You might be pleasantly surprised to hear that there are plenty of people who consider life sacred as a whole.

Until they are taxed to support it.

I wouldn't mind my taxes being used to support children rather than murder them.

Either here or overseas.

[The Black Forrest]

Until they are taxed to support it.

I wouldn't mind my taxes being used to support children rather than murder them.

Either here or overseas.

Ok. One. The majority do not.

[-Astoria-]

I wouldn't mind my taxes being used to support children rather than murder them.

Either here or overseas.

Ok. One. The majority do not.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation, though?

[The Alma Mater]

Ok. One. The majority do not.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation, though?

*looks at the world*

Where is all the money for unwanted children then ?