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by Liriena » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:13 pm
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by Jerzylvania » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:38 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Jerzylvania wrote:
"I don't think science knows actually" he said smugly when confronted by Californian politicians over Climate Change and it's effect on the extensive western fires.
I'd imagine Trump would show the same disdain for Scientific American as he does The Atlantic if he feels the need to comment on it. Maybe something like "Believe me, that fake American science magazine should look out because they're failing at partisan politics, this I can tell you."
In 2016, everyone was talking about fake news and alternative facts. In 2020, we will soon talk about fake science and alternative evidence.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:41 pm
Jerzylvania wrote:
"I don't think science knows actually" he said smugly when confronted by Californian politicians over Climate Change and it's effect on the extensive western fires.
I'd imagine Trump would show the same disdain for Scientific American as he does The Atlantic if he feels the need to comment on it. Maybe something like "Believe me, that fake American science magazine should look out because they're failing at partisan politics, this I can tell you."
I don't think science knows actually.
by Sanghyeok » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:49 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Jerzylvania wrote:
"I don't think science knows actually" he said smugly when confronted by Californian politicians over Climate Change and it's effect on the extensive western fires.
I'd imagine Trump would show the same disdain for Scientific American as he does The Atlantic if he feels the need to comment on it. Maybe something like "Believe me, that fake American science magazine should look out because they're failing at partisan politics, this I can tell you."I don't think science knows actually.
-Donald "stable genius" Trump
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Bombadil » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:25 pm
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:24 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:37 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The WTO finds Washington broke trade rules by putting tariffs on China
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... KKBN2662FE
I expect Trump will throw his toys out of the pram, and put sanctions on the WTO.
by Liriena » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:24 am
Bombadil wrote:And you’ll develop like a herd mentality.
That's right, he's below Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:25 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The WTO finds Washington broke trade rules by putting tariffs on China
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... KKBN2662FE
I expect Trump will throw his toys out of the pram, and put sanctions on the WTO.
Right-wingers, 2001: "China being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
Right-wingers, 2020: "The US being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:29 am
Liriena wrote:Getting emotionally prepared to embrace Xi Jinping thought.
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:31 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Right-wingers, 2001: "China being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
Right-wingers, 2020: "The US being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:47 am
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:57 am
by Vassenor » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:38 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The WTO finds Washington broke trade rules by putting tariffs on China
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... KKBN2662FE
I expect Trump will throw his toys out of the pram, and put sanctions on the WTO.
Right-wingers, 2001: "China being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
Right-wingers, 2020: "The US being in the WTO is a very bad idea!"
by Loben III » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:41 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:People seem to forget what the world looked like before the WTO. It wasn't all "now we can specialise and make rules that are just perfect for our economy!"
It was a racist mess of economical warfare that would often spiral into actual warfare as regional powers had to establish their economic dominance regionally and by force. There is actually nothing wrong with WTO rules on most favoured nation treatment, since the only reason for putting higher taxes on similar goods from different nations is economic warfare.
The WTO and its predecessors is partially responsible for peaceful relations after WW2.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:11 am
Loben III wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:People seem to forget what the world looked like before the WTO. It wasn't all "now we can specialise and make rules that are just perfect for our economy!"
It was a racist mess of economical warfare that would often spiral into actual warfare as regional powers had to establish their economic dominance regionally and by force. There is actually nothing wrong with WTO rules on most favoured nation treatment, since the only reason for putting higher taxes on similar goods from different nations is economic warfare.
The WTO and its predecessors is partially responsible for peaceful relations after WW2.
Uh oh, the R word was said. Better not leave the WTO.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:15 am
by Loben III » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 am
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:20 am
Loben III wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:We could have a discussion on the merits or all the other points I mentioned. Dismissing it because racism was mentioned seems intellectually dishonest.
Yes but you said the magic R word. Kinda stops most debate whenever that word gets thrown about Willy nilly by certain people.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:31 am
by Loben III » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:35 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hot take: the WTO is bad because it furthers enables the interests of big business capitalism which is a net loss for the majority of the human species
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:38 am
by Bombadil » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:43 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Both are good takes.
Both could fuck off out of the WTO ... and there would still be WTO.
Even together, China and the USA are only 40% of world GDP.
Even working in concert (heh) they wouldn't form a hegemony.
The US is about 25% of world GDP. The US needs to abandon this idea that its economic dominance matches its military dominance, it doesn't and probably hasn't since the 1960's. Pulling out of treaties or trade deals only causes them to collapse IF they were bilateral. The UN wouldn't collapse because the US pulls out. WHO wouldn't collapse because the US pulls out. TPP didn't collapse because the US pulled out. And WTO will not collapse because the US pulls out.
The US under Trump has been throwing away diplomatic and trade power, under the pretence of strengthening sovereignty.
It's a bad move in my opinion, but maybe some of it can be reversed by the next President. It might even be an opportunity to strike better deals (though not the CPTPP, it has members already so it's take-it-or-leave-it). Kind of a Good Cop/Bad Cop thing between Presidents!
So I think withdrawing from agreements/treaties/organizations actually makes the US weaker, diplomatically and in trade. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it's put down to some other cause, like those damn corporations not building factories like they should, or maybe tariffs of 20% aren't high enough. So you try that, and everyone seems happy that unemployment is way down, the gap between rich and poor might actually be narrowing, and you can buy a 4G phone that's mostly made in the USA! Any year now, GDP will turn around and start going up, look, it's almost flat at only minus 2%. Also nobody worries about immigration now, in fact they're calling for harsh treatment of emigrants instead.
A decade goes by. Military spending has to be increased, mainly due to Chinese escalation. A few things have to go. Welfare and stuff. Social Security is restructured as a wage-subsidy scheme so the elderly can return to the workforce. An attempt to raise more money by selling National Parks is called off due to lack of market interest (some handsome foreign bids were of course rejected).
Then there's the Second Canadian War. Their Russian equipment is surprisingly good, and they must be getting that nanotech stuff from China because Russian nanotech is big and clunky. This stuff's invisible. The President decides that trying to invade Canada was a bad idea. The Canadians are nice about it, and accept a peace deal for nothing more than an apology, Alaska and Maine.
The Wall no longer seems enough. It extends over both land borders and the coasts (in-a-bit where there's a famous beach) and it's made of titanium-resin composite so it's strong enough. But it's not a Dome. Americans deserve a dome. So the government starts raising the wall, knowing all the time there is no way they can afford a dome. The economy has been crap for decades now, even Mexicans are richer than Americans, but what choice is there? Military spending is already at 40% of GDP, Space is lost and US nanotech is pitiful ... it's too late to get back in the arms race.
Another decade limps by. The Wall is magnificent. Nobody says "dome" unless they want a fight. Americans regain the old virtues of thrift, hardiness and trial by gunfight. Tourists begin to arrive, hovering near the sights in their lighter-than-air vehicles and tittering at the reaction of locals when they throw a handful of dollars out the window. The economy begins to revive! A dollar is worth quite a lot now ... in America. It's not worth shit anywhere else, but what's it matter. Other than tourists, there's no trade, and no patriotic American would dream of spending their money anywhere but America. People are fairly content. At least, no-one is making a big noise about being unhappy.
And another decade. There's actually some modest economic growth. Perhaps because governments in the over-developed world, who have been offering aid for decades, have taken a lead from the tourists and now dump billions of dollars on the US from space. The government may be too proud to accept aid, but the people aren't.
So it's not a bright future, but it's not complete disaster either. It's now 2100, and that was the Second American Century.
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