The Future of China

[Novus America]

And didn't throw a temper tantrum over being mocked.

Not sure if that really absolves him of all the killing, though.

Sure but for Xi all the killings are not a point against Mao, and probably a point in favor of Mao in Xi’s mind. Xi and Putin care little to nothing for the economic policies of Mao and Stalin, just like that both were very feared, basically worshipped and could send millions of their perceived “enemies” to their deaths. Admittedly Xi is too comically incompetent at times to really be Mao, but I am sure he wishes he had Mao’s power, ability to strike fear and awe and prominent place in history.

The mass deaths is not a problem for Xi and might even be a bonus.

[Picairn]

It's an interesting point, that Soviet union lasted roughly 75 years. However I think the second poster is right, to a degree. We're in uncharted territory - however, ambition and resentment are human constants. The end of the CCP is perhaps more likely to be through a coup than a militia. Of course, it's also possible that what the CCP ends as might be quite a different organisation than to what it is at present (I'm thinking of something like the inversion of the Democrats and Republicans in the USA).

Actually, if you start from the founding of USSR in 1922 to its collapse in 1991, the Soviet Union existed for 69 years. Nice.

[Free China]

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Excellent analyses by you guys, although as like what Kamchakta said earlier, I'd disagree on certain fields Plzen. Overall great analysis.

[Australian rePublic]

Do you think there'd ever be a war between China and Australia?

[Heloin]

Do you think there'd ever be a war between China and Australia?

Independently? No.

If America goes to war with China? Definitely.

[Australian rePublic]

Do you think there'd ever be a war between China and Australia?

Independently? No.

If America goes to war with China? Definitely.

Do you think America will go to war with China?

[Heloin]

Independently? No.

If America goes to war with China? Definitely.

Do you think America will go to war with China?

I don't think that either side wants that. At least not at the present moment.

[FutureAmerica]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

[The Yellow Emperor]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

Highly doubtful. My friends in China are relatively doing fine, with this mess. Let's all point of our fingers at China and ramble nonsense just to make ourselves feel better, hmm? People's feelings seem to be fragile with this country, and consider it as an evil country... Likewise... I see meritocracy at blossoming at best.

On the the side note, we shouldn't be dictacting on the country that we dislike, what we should be doing is, co-operating with them, and boost trades, together. The United States needs China, and the latter needs the United States when it comes to trades. Having both in conflict or trade wars is always bad for our interests.

[Novus America]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

Highly doubtful. My friends in China are relatively doing fine, with this mess. Let's all point of our fingers at China and ramble nonsense just to make ourselves feel better, hmm? People's feelings seem to be fragile with this country, and consider it as an evil country... Likewise... I see meritocracy at blossoming at best.

On the the side note, we shouldn't be dictacting on the country that we dislike, what we should be doing is, co-operating with them, and boost trades, together. The United States needs China, and the latter needs the United States when it comes to trades. Having both in conflict or trade wars is always bad for our interests.

First of all given the slowing economy, widespread corruption and authoritarianism, declining returns corporate debt/zombie companies and demographic crisis, along with rising opposition to Xi’s incompetent and self defeating “wolf warrior diplomacy” all is not well with the PRC.

Authoritarianism and meritocracy cannot really well coexist. People are promoted based on loyalty to the regime, not merit.

Anyways no the US dies not need the PRC, at all. Anything we can get from it we could get elsewhere. And they block out our most our stuff anyways, they will never give our companies a fair playing field. The PRC economy is built on predatory dumping, mercantilism and protectionism. And their authoritarianism means banning many of the things we produce by default, such as many of our shows and movies, most our social media. They do not allow the free exchange of ideas, making fair trade in an ideas based economy with them impossible.
They only want one way trade.

It is their right to restrict us from their economy but it is our right to respond in kind.

You cannot cooperate with someone who does not want to cooperate and who has mutually exclusive goals.

If my goal is to kill you, and you want to survive, we cannot cooperate or compromise, what we agree to only half kill you?
Have you read Carl Schmitt?

This is from the PRC’s and Xi’s most influence political philosophers: "The crucial questions in politics are not questions of right and wrong, but of obedience and disobedience. If you do not submit to political authority, then 'If I say you're wrong, you're wrong, even if you're right.'"[12] Echoing Schmitt's theory of the friend–enemy distinction, he added, "Between friends and enemies, there is no question of freedom, only violence and subjugation. This is the reality of politics, a reality that liberals often do not dare to face."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Shigong

There is no room to compromise or cooperate there.

[FutureAmerica]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

Highly doubtful. My friends in China are relatively doing fine, with this mess. Let's all point of our fingers at China and ramble nonsense just to make ourselves feel better, hmm? People's feelings seem to be fragile with this country, and consider it as an evil country... Likewise... I see meritocracy at blossoming at best.

On the the side note, we shouldn't be dictacting on the country that we dislike, what we should be doing is, co-operating with them, and boost trades, together. The United States needs China, and the latter needs the United States when it comes to trades. Having both in conflict or trade wars is always bad for our interests.

You have a Yellow 'Xi' Emperor leading China right now. The great floods have signaled that he has lost the Mandate of Heaven and his rule is coming to an end.

[Exxosia]

Something that has been worrying me is the Three Gorges Dam as of late.

China is going off the rails with how much propaganda and twisting themselves in knots to maintain so many appearances. The Three Gorges Dam has long been a major focus for narratives in propaganda. If, or more likely when, it fails, I don't see China being able to keep things together without saying it was sabotage or attack.

I am seriously afraid China is going to start WWIII just to save face by lying and saying the US blew up the Three Gorges Dam because they are that desperate to maintain control and their narratives that a world war would be easier to deal with than the repercussions of the Three Gorges Dam failing.

[Rusozak]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

Highly doubtful. My friends in China are relatively doing fine, with this mess. Let's all point of our fingers at China and ramble nonsense just to make ourselves feel better, hmm? People's feelings seem to be fragile with this country, and consider it as an evil country... Likewise... I see meritocracy at blossoming at best.

On the the side note, we shouldn't be dictacting on the country that we dislike, what we should be doing is, co-operating with them, and boost trades, together. The United States needs China, and the latter needs the United States when it comes to trades. Having both in conflict or trade wars is always bad for our interests.

Yeah, no thanks. We need to stop putting a price on our values and letting today's equivalent to Nazi Germany continue to feast on the world's greed. Lest we all be complicit in whatever genocide or war crime the PRC will inevitably commit. And by the way, the status of a handful of people is hardly an indication of how the country as a whole lives. Not to mention from a police state where you're probably coerced to paint a pretty picture for the foreigners.

[Trollgaard]

Something that has been worrying me is the Three Gorges Dam as of late.

China is going off the rails with how much propaganda and twisting themselves in knots to maintain so many appearances. The Three Gorges Dam has long been a major focus for narratives in propaganda. If, or more likely when, it fails, I don't see China being able to keep things together without saying it was sabotage or attack.

I am seriously afraid China is going to start WWIII just to save face by lying and saying the US blew up the Three Gorges Dam because they are that desperate to maintain control and their narratives that a world war would be easier to deal with than the repercussions of the Three Gorges Dam failing.

I've that China has destroyed several dams downriver of Three Gorges in an effort to release flood waters faster, as none of the other dams can keep up with the water Three Gorges can let loose when fully opened.

[FutureAmerica]

The future of China is bleek under Xi and the CCP. They will actually bring China down and become the pariah of the planet.

Highly doubtful. My friends in China are relatively doing fine, with this mess. Let's all point of our fingers at China and ramble nonsense just to make ourselves feel better, hmm? People's feelings seem to be fragile with this country, and consider it as an evil country... Likewise... I see meritocracy at blossoming at best.

On the the side note, we shouldn't be dictacting on the country that we dislike, what we should be doing is, co-operating with them, and boost trades, together. The United States needs China, and the latter needs the United States when it comes to trades. Having both in conflict or trade wars is always bad for our interests.

Meritocracy in China? That's like saying North Korea has a Meritocracy.

[Nilrahrarfan]

The CCP will end up ruling it for a while, but it's likely unstable. It's not a matter of HOW it will survive, but IF it will survive.

[Australian rePublic]

Something that has been worrying me is the Three Gorges Dam as of late.

China is going off the rails with how much propaganda and twisting themselves in knots to maintain so many appearances. The Three Gorges Dam has long been a major focus for narratives in propaganda. If, or more likely when, it fails, I don't see China being able to keep things together without saying it was sabotage or attack.

I am seriously afraid China is going to start WWIII just to save face by lying and saying the US blew up the Three Gorges Dam because they are that desperate to maintain control and their narratives that a world war would be easier to deal with than the repercussions of the Three Gorges Dam failing.

Do you think that China is crazy enough to start a world war?

[Novus America]

Something that has been worrying me is the Three Gorges Dam as of late.

China is going off the rails with how much propaganda and twisting themselves in knots to maintain so many appearances. The Three Gorges Dam has long been a major focus for narratives in propaganda. If, or more likely when, it fails, I don't see China being able to keep things together without saying it was sabotage or attack.

I am seriously afraid China is going to start WWIII just to save face by lying and saying the US blew up the Three Gorges Dam because they are that desperate to maintain control and their narratives that a world war would be easier to deal with than the repercussions of the Three Gorges Dam failing.

Do you think that China is crazy enough to start a world war?

Deliberately? Probably not. But Xi doing some stupid shit like he did in India, and that getting out of hand? Very possible.
Xi almost started a war with India, and easily could have. So he very well might do the same thing somewhere else that gets out of control.

[Australian rePublic]

Personally, I'd give the CCP three/four months, tops. China, who was once seen as the world's factory a few months ago is now seen as a pariah. China is pissing off their neighbours and pissing off countries who can shut their trade routes. The CCP's entire propoganda is economic growth, and thanks to Covid, they've shot themselves in the foot. I can't see them lasting

[Nilrahrarfan]

Personally, I'd give the CCP three/four months, tops. China, who was once seen as the world's factory a few months ago is now seen as a pariah. China is pissing off their neighbours and pissing off countries who can shut their trade routes. The CCP's entire propoganda is economic growth, and thanks to Covid, they've shot themselves in the foot. I can't see them lasting

Expect China to become a different country on October 31st.

[Trollgaard]

Personally, I'd give the CCP three/four months, tops. China, who was once seen as the world's factory a few months ago is now seen as a pariah. China is pissing off their neighbours and pissing off countries who can shut their trade routes. The CCP's entire propoganda is economic growth, and thanks to Covid, they've shot themselves in the foot. I can't see them lasting

Expect China to become a different country on October 31st.

Oh?

What do you mean?

[Feyrisshire]

Personally, I'd give the CCP three/four months, tops. China, who was once seen as the world's factory a few months ago is now seen as a pariah. China is pissing off their neighbours and pissing off countries who can shut their trade routes. The CCP's entire propoganda is economic growth, and thanks to Covid, they've shot themselves in the foot. I can't see them lasting

We have already seen this kind of narrative.

Back in 2019, newspapers run news with headlines warning of China's imminent economic collapse.

Back in 2015, Wall Street Journal boldly predicts that China is going to collapse.

Back in 2001, some guy predicted and wrote a book named "Coming Collapse in China".

Back in 1989, people thought that Tiananmen Square would be the end of China and lead to its collapse as an international pariah.

Been there, been to that.....

[Australian rePublic]

Personally, I'd give the CCP three/four months, tops. China, who was once seen as the world's factory a few months ago is now seen as a pariah. China is pissing off their neighbours and pissing off countries who can shut their trade routes. The CCP's entire propoganda is economic growth, and thanks to Covid, they've shot themselves in the foot. I can't see them lasting

We have already seen this kind of narrative.

Back in 2019, newspapers run news with headlines warning of China's imminent economic collapse.

Back in 2015, Wall Street Journal boldly predicts that China is going to collapse.

Back in 2001, some guy predicted and wrote a book named "Coming Collapse in China".

Back in 1989, people thought that Tiananmen Square would be the end of China and lead to its collapse as an international pariah.

Been there, been to that.....

Things are changing this time

[Feyrisshire]

Things are changing this time

And for the last 31 years that we've been predicting China's imminent collapse, it definitely is going to be true this time! Pinky swear ❤

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

We have already seen this kind of narrative.

Back in 2019, newspapers run news with headlines warning of China's imminent economic collapse.

Back in 2015, Wall Street Journal boldly predicts that China is going to collapse.

Back in 2001, some guy predicted and wrote a book named "Coming Collapse in China".

Back in 1989, people thought that Tiananmen Square would be the end of China and lead to its collapse as an international pariah.

Been there, been to that.....

Things are changing this time

Mhm. The only change that will ever come will be change from within the party and that will be slow and gradual. China isn't ever going to suddenly collapse.

If China could survive near-total international isolation and the ruinous Cultural Revolution at the same time, it can survive a minor hit to economic growth.