Alternate History Thread(CLOSED)

[Drew Durnila]

How about a world in which both the US and Soviet Union collapsed within a few years of each other? Would there be a kind of rump state US which is an analogue for the Russian Federation, or would it have completely dissolved?
(I've seen the latter proposed, but a rump state seems likely)

You mean like the 50 states all became independent from one another?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Here's one:

The Bolsheviks lose in the Russian Civil War to the Whites, who then form the Russian Republic under Aleksandr Kerensky. Most Bolshevik leaders (including Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky) are captured and executed. Russia begins modernizing and becomes a close ally of the West, while the Nazis are forced invade Poland on their lonesome. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact obviously wasn't signed, and Russia never invaded Finland.

How would this fledgling Russian Republic fare against the mass Nazi invasion of Eastern Europe? I predict they'd perform more poorly than the Soviets did, possibly even losing Moscow itself, but would eventually turn the tide against the Nazis albeit a little later than they did IRL which would result in the Western Allies occupying all of Germany as a result with Russian troops just making it to Western Poland by then. In the east the Russians would join the war against Japan willingly and quickly, liberating Manchuria and Korea before the U.S. deploys the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Without the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, the Cold War is started by Maoist China but as a result it's a more "localized" conflict almost entirely restricted to the Asian continent, with minor movements in Latin America and Africa. Tito still comes to power in Yugoslavia, as well. It doesn't last as long as the PRC is choked by the joint Russian-American alliance and the PRC eventually collapses with the ROC taking control again. North Korea would probably collapse thereafter. The other Communist states in Asia would go their typical historical routes, save for Mongolia which becomes a hot zone for a Russian-Chinese proxy war.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Here's one:

The Bolsheviks lose in the Russian Civil War to the Whites, who then form the Russian Republic under Aleksandr Kerensky. Most Bolshevik leaders (including Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky) are captured and executed. Russia begins modernizing and becomes a close ally of the West, while the Nazis are forced invade Poland on their lonesome. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact obviously wasn't signed, and Russia never invaded Finland.

How would this fledgling Russian Republic fare against the mass Nazi invasion of Eastern Europe? I predict they'd perform more poorly than the Soviets did, possibly even losing Moscow itself, but would eventually turn the tide against the Nazis albeit a little later than they did IRL which would result in the Western Allies occupying all of Germany as a result with Russian troops just making it to Western Poland by then. In the east the Russians would join the war against Japan willingly and quickly, liberating Manchuria and Korea before the U.S. deploys the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Without the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, the Cold War is started by Maoist China but as a result it's a more "localized" conflict almost entirely restricted to the Asian continent, with minor movements in Latin America and Africa. Tito still comes to power in Yugoslavia, as well. It doesn't last as long as the PRC is choked by the joint Russian-American alliance and the PRC eventually collapses with the ROC taking control again. North Korea would probably collapse thereafter. The other Communist states in Asia would go their typical historical routes, save for Mongolia which becomes a hot zone for a Russian-Chinese proxy war.

I really hope someone finds the whites winning interesting so I can add this to the poll.

[The Blaatschapen]

Here's one:

The Bolsheviks lose in the Russian Civil War to the Whites, who then form the Russian Republic under Aleksandr Kerensky. Most Bolshevik leaders (including Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky) are captured and executed. Russia begins modernizing and becomes a close ally of the West, while the Nazis are forced invade Poland on their lonesome. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact obviously wasn't signed, and Russia never invaded Finland.

How would this fledgling Russian Republic fare against the mass Nazi invasion of Eastern Europe? I predict they'd perform more poorly than the Soviets did, possibly even losing Moscow itself, but would eventually turn the tide against the Nazis albeit a little later than they did IRL which would result in the Western Allies occupying all of Germany as a result with Russian troops just making it to Western Poland by then. In the east the Russians would join the war against Japan willingly and quickly, liberating Manchuria and Korea before the U.S. deploys the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Without the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, the Cold War is started by Maoist China but as a result it's a more "localized" conflict almost entirely restricted to the Asian continent, with minor movements in Latin America and Africa. Tito still comes to power in Yugoslavia, as well. It doesn't last as long as the PRC is choked by the joint Russian-American alliance and the PRC eventually collapses with the ROC taking control again. North Korea would probably collapse thereafter. The other Communist states in Asia would go their typical historical routes, save for Mongolia which becomes a hot zone for a Russian-Chinese proxy war.

Why would Tito come to power?

With Russia being West friendly, Tito cannot play off the two sides against each other. And with the West having resources more available they could just oust him when it's convenient.

The big question is actually, with the Russians only having managed to be in Western Poland (wait, modern Western Poland, or 1939 Western Poland?), how would Germany have looked like. And, by extension, Poland. Would Poland still have moved Westwards. Would Wrocław still be called Breslau?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

A good Youtube channel for Alt History.

I'm guessing you didn't watch his moon video did you? Then again, I might not like because it didn't do the things I wanted it to do when I suggested it, but I have other reasons. Monsieur Z and whatifalthist are better in my opinion.

[Kargintina the Third]

Imagine an alternate history where America decides to go nuclear against China during the Korean war.

Turtledove’s The Hot War is about this

[Feyrisshire]

Lol, if the poll option "What if anime was made in the USSR?" wins, I'm going to make a serious and believable alt history timeline at how anime and hentai can be made in the USSR instead of Japan.

[Celritannia]

Lol, if the poll option "What if anime was made in the USSR?" wins, I'm going to make a serious and believable alt history timeline at how anime and hentai can be made in the USSR instead of Japan.

This alone got my vote

[Feyrisshire]

Lol, if the poll option "What if anime was made in the USSR?" wins, I'm going to make a serious and believable alt history timeline at how anime and hentai can be made in the USSR instead of Japan.

This alone got my vote

Don't worry, I'm not going to break my promise and I'm not going to dissapoint.

[Kargintina the Third]

What if Ted Kennedy best out Carter for the 1980 nomination?

[Dominioan]

Why is anime in the USSR getting so many votes?

[The Blaatschapen]

Why is anime in the USSR getting so many votes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnF7ro6URo that's why

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Why is anime in the USSR getting so many votes?

I guess communist anime sounds appealing. But we have almost 7 days before the poll ends.

[Dominioan]

Why is anime in the USSR getting so many votes?

I guess communist anime sounds appealing. But we have almost 7 days before the poll ends.

In america, you watch anime. In Soviet Russia, anime watch you

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I guess in the meantime we might as well discuss what would happen if the spring offensive succeeded.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

How about a world in which both the US and Soviet Union collapsed within a few years of each other? Would there be a kind of rump state US which is an analogue for the Russian Federation, or would it have completely dissolved?
(I've seen the latter proposed, but a rump state seems likely)

You mean like the 50 states all became independent from one another?

Probably, but they most would merge at some point after that.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Batista never makes his biggest mistake, letting Fidel out of jail. Eventually Cuba transforms to a US style prosperous democratic multi political party democracy. No over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, myself included. No reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays. No Cuban Balsero Rafters, across 90 miles of shark infested waters, all under Fidel and Raúl.

My family and I in Cuba would still be middles class in Cuba, with our farms, houses, businesses and the Hotel Bar and Restaurant.

But their would still be thousands of legal Cuban immigrants in Miami. I would be the General Manager of a chain of family style restaurants throughout Cuba and Miami, owned by Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of High Society.

[Dominioan]

Batista never makes his biggest mistake, letting Fidel out of jail. Eventually Cuba transforms to a US style prosperous democratic multi political party democracy. No over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, myself included. No reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays. No Cuban Balsero Rafters, across 90 miles of shark infested waters, all under Fidel and Raúl.

My family and I in Cuba would still be middles class in Cuba, with our farms, houses, businesses and the Hotel Bar and Restaurant.

But their would still be thousands of legal Cuban immigrants in Miami. I would be the General Manager of a chain of family style restaurants throughout Cuba and Miami, owned by Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of High Society.

Um. That seems like fun.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Batista never makes his biggest mistake, letting Fidel out of jail. Eventually Cuba transforms to a US style prosperous democratic multi political party democracy. No over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, myself included. No reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays. No Cuban Balsero Rafters, across 90 miles of shark infested waters, all under Fidel and Raúl.

My family and I in Cuba would still be middles class in Cuba, with our farms, houses, businesses and the Hotel Bar and Restaurant.

But their would still be thousands of legal Cuban immigrants in Miami. I would be the General Manager of a chain of family style restaurants throughout Cuba and Miami, owned by Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of High Society.

Pretty sure the only category Cuba would be better at than Castro in this timeline would be GDP per capita, and that's if Batista wouldn't be overthrown, which would probably cause a civil war and poverty if that happened.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Batista never makes his biggest mistake, letting Fidel out of jail. Eventually Cuba transforms to a US style prosperous democratic multi political party democracy. No over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, myself included. No reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays. No Cuban Balsero Rafters, across 90 miles of shark infested waters, all under Fidel and Raúl.

My family and I in Cuba would still be middles class in Cuba, with our farms, houses, businesses and the Hotel Bar and Restaurant.

But their would still be thousands of legal Cuban immigrants in Miami. I would be the General Manager of a chain of family style restaurants throughout Cuba and Miami, owned by Voltaire the rich upper class Padrino of my family in Cuba, a member of High Society.

Pretty sure the only category Cuba would be better at than Castro in this timeline would be GDP per capita, and that's if Batista wouldn't be overthrown, which would probably cause a civil war and poverty if that happened.

If Cuba in my timeline would be as I describe, Cuba would be a US style, prosperous multi political party capitalist democracy as I describe. Not with over 3 million Cuban exiles a all over the world. With no Cuban Balsero Rafters across 90 miles of shark infested waters, and I would be very wealthy, more than I actually am right now.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Pretty sure the only category Cuba would be better at than Castro in this timeline would be GDP per capita, and that's if Batista wouldn't be overthrown, which would probably cause a civil war and poverty if that happened.

If Cuba in my timeline would be as I describe, Cuba would be a US style, prosperous multi political party capitalist democracy as I describe. Not with over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world.

I know, but I'm sayng the way you described it seems unlikely to happen.

[Greater Miami Shores]

If Cuba in my timeline would be as I describe, Cuba would be a US style, prosperous multi political party capitalist democracy as I describe. Not with over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world.

I know, but I'm sayng the way you described it seems unlikely to happen.

This is why I quoted you, because I think it would be as I described.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I know, but I'm sayng the way you described it seems unlikely to happen.

This is why I quoted you, because I think it would be as I described.

Alright, but know it probably wouldn't be.

[Greater Miami Shores]

This is why I quoted you, because I think it would be as I described.

Alright, but know it probably wouldn't be.

I am not offended, but why do you have too win the argument that it probably wouldn't be as I describe on my alternate history timeline. Contrary to popular belief Cuba was the most or one of the most prosperous nations of Latin America at the time. More prosperous in certain statistics than España La Madre Patria and a few European nations.

Than the leftist communist Castro regime's propaganda.

[Surrealist Patagonia]

Soviet anime would be like Hayao Miyazaki's Grave of the Fireflies but instead of Hiroshima, we get life in Nazi-occupied Russia. I'd imagine it would be more grounded and more political. Miyazaki was a Marxist so I think he would be making Ghibli films from a flat in Moscow.