Re: Lazy or Idiotic

[Geneviev]

I expected people would want their effort to be acknowledged. Intelligence isn't everything in the world, and your actual character should be considered much more important. I thought more people would agree with that.

maybe for some people, "laziness" is not seen as a character failing or a sin, just a state of being (ex "who likes to do work? It's only natural")

not everyone is from a tradition where Sloth is seen as one of the deadliest sins; its an inconvenient trait in the workplace but for some and their compass... it's not on the same level of moral condemnation (if any) as being say, a greedy back-stabbing employee

some people do not draw the connection between morality and work ethic, it's seen to operate on another axis

It should be on the same level if you ask me. They have the same effects and they require the same will. Of course in every case forgiveness is the most important and the situation you described doesn't include that, but people aren't meant to wish to be seen as lazy.

[Imperial Joseon]

Because price leads to conceit, and conceit leads to arrogance, which I personally don't favor.

or a very easily damaged/bruised ego

Yes, that's the thing.

[Albrenia]

I expected people would want their effort to be acknowledged. Intelligence isn't everything in the world, and your actual character should be considered much more important. I thought more people would agree with that.

As I said earlier, it's harder to convince people that you are no longer a doofus than it is that you finally got your butt into gear and are pulling your weight.

I'm not particularly concerned if my Boss believes me to be immoral or not, if his beliefs are not true.

[Geneviev]

I expected people would want their effort to be acknowledged. Intelligence isn't everything in the world, and your actual character should be considered much more important. I thought more people would agree with that.

As I said earlier, it's harder to convince people that you are no longer a doofus than it is that you finally got your butt into gear and are pulling your weight.

I'm not particularly concerned if my Boss believes me to be immoral or not, if his beliefs are not true.

It would be more unpleasant for me if I were considered immoral, personally.

[Albrenia]

As I said earlier, it's harder to convince people that you are no longer a doofus than it is that you finally got your butt into gear and are pulling your weight.

I'm not particularly concerned if my Boss believes me to be immoral or not, if his beliefs are not true.

It would be more unpleasant for me if I were considered immoral, personally.

I can understand why, and it's not a bad thing to want to avoid even the appearance of immorality.

Personally I'm a bit screwed in that department due to be an Atheist, which means a lot of people assume my immorality right out of the gate.

[Vetalia]

I mean, if these hellish circumstances were the only option, I'd rather be known as lazy than dumb. The former can be addressed with proper motivation, but if you get the reputation for being a dumbass who doesn't know what they're doing it is a whole lot harder to overcome.

That being said, I would quit ASAP and go find work somewhere else, consequences be damned...ruining yourself mentally and physically is never worth it. The other 99.999% of the human population that aren't working in law aren't going to give a shit anyways.

[Geneviev]

It would be more unpleasant for me if I were considered immoral, personally.

I can understand why, and it's not a bad thing to want to avoid even the appearance of immorality.

Personally I'm a bit screwed in that department due to be an Atheist, which means a lot of people assume my immorality right out of the gate.

That's not how it is everywhere, at least. Atheists are celebrated in some places, but laziness is not respected anywhere. Also, it's the same problem for me as a Christian. That's why I try harder to be sure that I can't be seen as immoral, to the best of my ability.

[Thermodolia]

I’m forced to work with lawyers

Really? In what capacity?

What I mean is that I’d never work in law because I’d be forced to work with lawyers. The only worse job is used car salesmen and stock brokers

[Infected Mushroom]

Really? In what capacity?

What I mean is that I’d never work in law because I’d be forced to work with lawyers. The only worse job is used car salesmen and stock brokers

What about door to door sales?

[Thermodolia]

What I mean is that I’d never work in law because I’d be forced to work with lawyers. The only worse job is used car salesmen and stock brokers

What about door to door sales?

Scum of the earth

[Infected Mushroom]

What about door to door sales?

Scum of the earth

You don’t like the visits I take it

[Page]

I'd rather the boss think I'm lazy because that opens up the possibility in his mind that he hasn't yet earned my respect, that I could be working harder if I wanted to but maybe he doesn't deserve it. It shifts the power dynamic in my favor a bit, while the boss thinking I'm stupid doesn't.

I'm also less likely to be fired for being lazy because lazy it's a lot more likely a lazy person gets motivated than that an incompetent person becomes competent.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'd rather the boss think I'm lazy because that opens up the possibility in his mind that he hasn't yet earned my respect, that I could be working harder if I wanted to but maybe he doesn't deserve it. It shifts the power dynamic in my favor a bit, while the boss thinking I'm stupid doesn't.

I'm also less likely to be fired for being lazy because lazy it's a lot more likely a lazy person gets motivated than that an incompetent person becomes competent.

Some employers are big on “loyalty” though... and sometimes they may endorse a variation of it that sees laziness as disloyalty while being less intelligent but otherwise hard working doesn’t blemish your loyalty cred

[Grimmsland]

Lazy.

If it was a case of how they perceive you instead of how you perceive yourself I'd choose stupid because then they'd expect less.

I'm not one who takes pride in a being a hard-worker for the sake of working-hard especially for the other man. Not very enthusiastic about making someone else rich.

[Esternial]

Option 1.

For me, laziness is either intentional or due to a lack of stimulation. If it's intentional, it's either because I have a shitty manager or because I automated it.

[Annihilators of Chan Island]

Tricky, but probably go with lazy. Though I'm pretty good at talking, so could dispel a reputation for stupidity faster than maybe some others, but lazy could lead to discussions about my motivation and all of the other issues ongoing in this scenario.

[Grimmsland]

I could take pride in working hard if my work is producing/cultivating something that directly sustains my survival and shelter (food,clothing,animals) or something I consider important - art/literature, healing/medicine or ecology..something.


"Money provides a means to shelter, food, clothing etc". Unfortunately. Making money in and of itself doesn't do it for me. Actually ... I despise money. I'm aware that puts me in a hard spot.

[Esternial]

Honestly, if a manager begins to use the term "lazy" I would consider them a shitty manager. Let your employees be lazy - the only thing that matters is what they deliver.

If they can't deliver, the core issue is not because they're too lazy, it's because they're too incompetent to calibrate their laziness to their ability to deliver.

[Grimmsland]

I can make a lot of money with out it.

Gross. Being outside is terrible for your suits.

Fuck suits. Be barbarian.

[Esternial]

I get my own office and I'm not a laywer. To be fair, I don't get a window.

I’d never work in an office. Office work is depressing

Depends heavily on the office, and the work.

My office space is quite nice. No badging out/in for smoke breaks, free coffee, tea and a soda fountain, a proper company restaurant and a relaxed atmosphere.

[Grimmsland]

to be fair it's more like they want to be Perceived As Lazy vs Perceived As Stupid

in reality, they may prefer to be one or the other

you know what I mean?

the distinction

True, as long as you don't believe you're stupid, you're not really stupid, and that's due to perception.

Mind Power! No, really. Stoic.

[Purpelia]

If my options are to stay and be abused or to be driven out of the industry I'll happily change industries. A capable man can retrain. And I am a most capable man.

[Dumb Ideologies]

If my options are to stay and be abused or to be driven out of the industry I'll happily change industries. A capable man can retrain. And I am a most capable man.

And so humble with it

[Purpelia]

If my options are to stay and be abused or to be driven out of the industry I'll happily change industries. A capable man can retrain. And I am a most capable man.

And so humble with it

Humility is the way people who aren't special make them self feel as if they were.

[Dumb Ideologies]

And so humble with it

Humility is the way people who aren't special make them self feel as if they were.

Wait, wasn't that pride?

Two sides of the same coin I guess, carry on.