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by Loben The 2nd » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:47 am
by Lazary » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:54 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Leninist Haven wrote:I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.
Who's fault do you think that is?
People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.
by Risottia » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:23 am
Cappuccina wrote:Imagine thinking AfD is fascist. Far-Right, definitely, but fascist? Let's not muddle terms here.
by Risottia » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:26 am
Tigenia wrote:Albennia wrote:lol no, half the AfD is liberal. and i'm pretty confident the other half is just pretending not to be to win over the east.
but?
..but still, the title of this thread is very inappropriate and seems to be written by someone who has no knowledge of the AfD or the German political landscape whatsoever.
by Samadhi » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:29 am
Risottia wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51384615
tl;dr , the neofascist AfD have joined forces with Merkel's CDU and the German liberals (Freiheitlichen) to oust the left-wing candidate in a German Land.
Bit worrying. Especially given how so far the democratic parties on the right had refused to form alliances with the AfD , avoiding to give them institutional legitimacy.
When the barrier separating antidemocratic forces from democratic forces fall, democracy is in danger, because you can expect fascists to exploit the workings of democracy to abolish it.
by Risottia » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:34 am
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:41 am
SD_Film Artists wrote:Leninist Haven wrote:I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.
I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.
by SD_Film Artists » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:42 am
Leninist Haven wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:
I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.
Maybe, but like in that story, that didn't stop the wolf from eating him. They quite literally have a wing in their party that openly associates with neo-nazism, and they have not severed ties. One of their executives (AfD federal executive board) is almost universally known as a neo-nazi.
by SD_Film Artists » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:44 am
Ifreann wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:
I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.
And there are certain elements that simply won't accept that anything is fascism that does not explicitly call itself so. It is almost as if they are so incredibly naive that they cannot fathom a fascist lying about being a fascist, but I think it's more likely that they are well aware of that possibility and are, in fact, complicit in the deception.
by Nakena » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:11 am
Leninist Haven wrote:Maybe, but like in that story, that didn't stop the wolf from eating him. They quite literally have a wing in their party that openly associates with neo-nazism, and they have not severed ties. One of their executives (AfD federal executive board) is almost universally known as a neo-nazi.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:18 am
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.
Nakena wrote:Theres a much better word than "fascism" and actually is relevant here and thats Identitarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement
by Risottia » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:21 am
Ifreann wrote:... I think it's more likely that they are well aware of that possibility and are, in fact, complicit in the deception.
by Nakena » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:23 am
Ifreann wrote:Genivaria wrote:Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.
Climate change denial is worse than fascism?Nakena wrote:Theres a much better word than "fascism" and actually is relevant here and thats Identitarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement
"Identitarian" is a word that fascists call themselves as an alternative to admitting they're fascists.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:29 am
Nakena wrote:Ifreann wrote:Climate change denial is worse than fascism?
"Identitarian" is a word that fascists call themselves as an alternative to admitting they're fascists.
Nah theres some destinct differences.
Fascists are the romanian Iron Guard, Mussolini, BUF, historically, and more recently Casa Pound, Forza Nuova, Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), Fiamma Tricolore and various irrelevant british and french groups.
by Nakena » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:34 am
Ifreann wrote:Nakena wrote:
Nah theres some destinct differences.
Fascists are the romanian Iron Guard, Mussolini, BUF, historically, and more recently Casa Pound, Forza Nuova, Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), Fiamma Tricolore and various irrelevant british and french groups.
There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:37 am
Nakena wrote:Ifreann wrote:There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.
Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.
Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.
It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.
by Nouveau Quebecois » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:37 am
by Nakena » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:39 am
Ifreann wrote:Nakena wrote:
Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.
Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.
They're both fascists, yes.It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.
He is, duh.
by Torrocca » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:43 am
by Vistulange » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:44 am
Nakena wrote:Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.Ifreann wrote:There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.
by Nakena » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:45 am
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:47 am
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.
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