Why the us should cut useless courses from college degrees.

[Thermodolia]

Bull fucking shit. Homeschooling is far from child loving or child-centered. It’s away for parents to ensure that they have obedient drones instead of children. It’s away to cover up child abuse and to isolate children from the world.

Or maybe homeschooling provides for superior education than what the state bothers to provide in most cases. Homeschooling after all, doesn't typically involve just the parents teaching the children if they're not licensed teachers. They recruit educators from outside the formal education system or arrange education sessions with other homeschooling families.

Homeschooling doesn’t provide a superior education. And no co-ops are not the norm.

Home schooling is accredited to the state's grade level testing standards and isn't just some "free for all" where any curriculum is just accepted.

That’s where you’d be wrong.

[Ifreann]

If you can fit your phone into your jeans pocket, you are a man. If you can't, you're a woman.

It's science.

Honestly, this isn't even a joke

I've done it, I've solved gender forever.

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Untrue and self-aggrandizing.

Yes it is true. You won't convince a guy who does nothing but snort coke and shoot dice that the class war must happen now

Anyone who can afford a coke habit while doing nothing else but shooting dice either inherited a fortune or is some kind of dice wizard.

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I like the idea of people getting some experience with subjects outside their degree. Education, especially higher education, should be about understanding more about the world, not just about getting a piece of paper that qualifies you for a job.

For private colleges, sure.

For public ones, they don't really have the right to use other people's money for that.

Of course the government has the power to fund education, they already do that.

[Chernoslavia]

The American school system isn't stolen from nineteenth-century Prussian military academies by accident. The purpose of schooling is to prepare children for jobs. It is meant to provide them with life skills and things they need to know.

Well it’s definitely not do that.

My taxpayer dollars should be teaching children to read, write, do arithmatic, balance a budget, and understand how their government works. (Civics, man! Do more civics!)

We can also throw in Home Economy classes as well. But just so ya know just because ya get taught about how the government works doesn’t mean that you’ll have a bunch of conservatives.

I also support science education, as it exposes religious children to the majesty of God's Creation , and all children to critical thinking (and STEM).

Ok not bad

Teaching children to love to learn, love to read, and things like that are the job of the parents. Fun stuff, like the arts, is for parents.

Ya no. Arts and the love of learning can be taught by teachers. I had several teachers who helped foster a love of languages and history. My parents did not.

Remember them? There was a time when parents were supposed to expose children to the finer things in life, teach them to appreciate the world around them, give them books to read and crayons to draw...

The 1920s called they want their talking points back

We rely on the state too much.

Sure...

If you want a more comprehensive, loving, child-centered education, homeschool yoru children. It's better than public school, especially in states where the public schools are corrupted by ideological brainwashing.

Bull fucking shit. Homeschooling is far from child loving or child-centered. It’s away for parents to ensure that they have obedient drones instead of children. It’s away to cover up child abuse and to isolate children from the world.

Homeschooling is just as ideologically indoctrinating as public schools if not moreso. As children will be punished if they step outside of their parents ideology.

Homeschooling should be banned. And if you don’t believe me ask every other former homeschooler and they will generally say the same thing.

Not a chance. Some kids are just better off learning things in a private setting. Just because you never had the social problems some are forced to face in public schools doesn't give you the right to force other people's kids to attend what might be considered hell on earth for some.

[Diopolis]

Not really. One of my best friends was homeschooled. They intend to also homeschool their children.

And as someone who has been homeschooled and have friends who where none of us want to homeschool

And 90%+ of the homeschoolers I know say they want to homeschool their children, with the remainder mostly opting out due to a feeling of inability rather than objection.
Isn't selection bias wonderful?

[Xmara]

Or maybe homeschooling provides for superior education than what the state bothers to provide in most cases. Homeschooling after all, doesn't typically involve just the parents teaching the children if they're not licensed teachers. They recruit educators from outside the formal education system or arrange education sessions with other homeschooling families.

Homeschooling doesn’t provide a superior education. And no co-ops are not the norm.

Home schooling is accredited to the state's grade level testing standards and isn't just some "free for all" where any curriculum is just accepted.

That’s where you’d be wrong.

The quality of a homeschool education is honestly kind of a roll of the dice.

I have two cousins who homeschool their children. One cousin's kids are doing very well. She makes sure they have X amount of instructional hours each day Monday-Friday and that they are meeting the standards set for their grade level. Then you have my other cousin, who barely teaches her kids, who described her approach to her children's education as "they'll get it when they get it," and whose kids are way behind (I'm pretty sure her 7 year old can't even read yet).

So yeah. It works for some, but there are definitely parents out there who have no business homeschooling their kids.

[Nakena]

Multicultural children's literature. Big dumb my guy. I had to take that shit and a multicultural studies class in college and they fucking sucked. Had some older white lady telling us about the African roots of black American culture (I always felt black American culture was far more similar to white American culture than to Africa but whatever) and bringing up other accidentally stereotypical shit too, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs (not all Muslim women wear those btw and Arab women actually dye their hair alot) and why white Americans are complicit in racism (pretty sure most white folks aren't racists but yeah, why don't you blame your own race for that while I defend them).

That was Multicultural studies. Multicultural children's lit was all this stuff about African children and shit. Imagine goodnight moon but it's some Ugandan child and he's hunting lions and whatever the hell else he does (this was an actual story btw although to be serious it had nothing to do with good night moon). Not only were we being forced to read literature that came from cultures no one even heard of, but they were literally baby books. Like come on.

I'm totally for cutting any classes related to social justice. Most of them are absolutely meaningless. Your future jobs wants to see your qualifications and knowing alot about theories of power and oppression doesn't make you look smart. It does quite the opposite

Whoa holy crap. Thats crazy stuff you got subjected to. Yeah that stuff should be removed.

[Krasny-Volny]

There's often a lot of talk about how to improve the education system in the US. Personally, there's one simple idea we can start with. Stop forcing classes on students that have nothing to do with their chosen field of study, or have little real world application like art or humanities. Not only would it save them time and money, but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes. What say you NSG?

Ditto.

If I ever go back to school I’m picking a degree program that is centered solely around my choice of major and other closely related fields. I learned about humanities and the arts in high school. The purpose of college should be practical job training for one’s chosen career, not to cultivate a modern renaissance man.

[Chernoslavia]

Multicultural children's literature. Big dumb my guy. I had to take that shit and a multicultural studies class in college and they fucking sucked. Had some older white lady telling us about the African roots of black American culture (I always felt black American culture was far more similar to white American culture than to Africa but whatever) and bringing up other accidentally stereotypical shit too, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs (not all Muslim women wear those btw and Arab women actually dye their hair alot) and why white Americans are complicit in racism (pretty sure most white folks aren't racists but yeah, why don't you blame your own race for that while I defend them).

That was Multicultural studies. Multicultural children's lit was all this stuff about African children and shit. Imagine goodnight moon but it's some Ugandan child and he's hunting lions and whatever the hell else he does (this was an actual story btw although to be serious it had nothing to do with good night moon). Not only were we being forced to read literature that came from cultures no one even heard of, but they were literally baby books. Like come on.

I'm totally for cutting any classes related to social justice. Most of them are absolutely meaningless. Your future jobs wants to see your qualifications and knowing alot about theories of power and oppression doesn't make you look smart. It does quite the opposite

And before anyone says "but people gotta learn tolerance," I just wanna say right now that a college class cannot teach you to not be a racist. Either you aren't one like most people or you are one and college won't stop that. I'm pretty sure that without these multicultural clssses, 90% of people could still treat a person of a different race respectfully and not start screaming racial slurs at them

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[Rojava Free State]

Multicultural children's literature. Big dumb my guy. I had to take that shit and a multicultural studies class in college and they fucking sucked. Had some older white lady telling us about the African roots of black American culture (I always felt black American culture was far more similar to white American culture than to Africa but whatever) and bringing up other accidentally stereotypical shit too, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs (not all Muslim women wear those btw and Arab women actually dye their hair alot) and why white Americans are complicit in racism (pretty sure most white folks aren't racists but yeah, why don't you blame your own race for that while I defend them).

That was Multicultural studies. Multicultural children's lit was all this stuff about African children and shit. Imagine goodnight moon but it's some Ugandan child and he's hunting lions and whatever the hell else he does (this was an actual story btw although to be serious it had nothing to do with good night moon). Not only were we being forced to read literature that came from cultures no one even heard of, but they were literally baby books. Like come on.

I'm totally for cutting any classes related to social justice. Most of them are absolutely meaningless. Your future jobs wants to see your qualifications and knowing alot about theories of power and oppression doesn't make you look smart. It does quite the opposite

Whoa holy crap. Thats crazy stuff you got subjected to. Yeah that stuff should be removed.

Like seriously can we learn to get along without stereotyping each other accidentally?

[Tarkvald]

I agree with not forcing classes that have nothing to do with your chosen career path, but cutting everything that's not "hey look buddy, I'm an engineer, that means I solve problems" is fucking stupid, and I say this as someone who has technocratic leanings.

[Senkaku]

It almost certainly will come after. The current social order won't survive ubiquitous unemployment. Nations can continue slapping larger and larger band-aids on the problem, but eventually machines will have taken enough people's bread away that it won't be feasible to keep them down on the street anymore.

EDIT:
I should mention that I believe UBI will actually fundamentally solve this problem.

Class war now

So to be clear— you think any course that might not be actively good for your chances at getting hired by some capitalists at a tech firm or investment bank is worthless knowledge that should be eliminated, and you can’t differentiate between the lumpenproletariat and elites with the resources to do nothing but gamble and do coke... but you’re on fire for the revolution? Lmao

[Krasny-Volny]

ITT: A lot of people who really didn't like their required courses and don't know what "Expand your horizon" means.

Plenty of ways to expand your horizon without being forced to waste a not insignificant amount of time and money on stuff you have no interest in that will not impart job-specific skills dearly needed for the post-college transition to the work force.

I recommend traveling, or better yet participating in an exchange program.

[Aclion]

Or maybe homeschooling provides for superior education than what the state bothers to provide in most cases. Homeschooling after all, doesn't typically involve just the parents teaching the children if they're not licensed teachers. They recruit educators from outside the formal education system or arrange education sessions with other homeschooling families.

Homeschooling doesn’t provide a superior education. And no co-ops are not the norm.

Home schooling is accredited to the state's grade level testing standards and isn't just some "free for all" where any curriculum is just accepted.

That’s where you’d be wrong.

I think your position on homeschooling is super irrational and largely a product of your own issues with your parents. It's pretty absurd to claim that Homeschooling doesn't provide a superior education when there are high schools with 7% literacy rates.

[Tarkvald]

Class war now

So to be clear— you think any course that might not be actively good for your chances at getting hired by some capitalists at a tech firm or investment bank is worthless knowledge that should be eliminated, and you can’t differentiate between the lumpenproletariat and elites with the resources to do nothing but gamble and do coke... but you’re on fire for the revolution? Lmao

I believe he was being sarcastic.

[Senkaku]

Multicultural children's literature. Big dumb my guy. I had to take that shit and a multicultural studies class in college and they fucking sucked.

What degree program were you in that you had to take a course on multicultural children’s literature? I’m sorry it was such a bad experience ig but that seems quite specific

Had some older white lady telling us about the African roots of black American culture (I always felt black American culture was far more similar to white American culture than to Africa but whatever)

So... you were taught some stuff abt a culture, but simply did not believe it

and bringing up other accidentally stereotypical shit too, like why Muslim women in the near East don't dye their hair because they wear hijabs (not all Muslim women wear those btw and Arab women actually dye their hair alot)

So your professor, an older white women, accidentally made some awkward and uncomfortable generalizations..?

and why white Americans are complicit in racism (pretty sure most white folks aren't racists but yeah, why don't you blame your own race for that while I defend them).

You: this white woman was being racist
You: white people arent racist why is she saying they are

Anyways idk how it’s a stretch to suggest that there’s plenty of white folks out there who either consciously or unconsciously harbor some troubling ideas about race... or non-white folks too. We grow up with racial issues all around us, it’s impossible not to be habituated to be aware of race in American society and often to have some weird and bad hangups about it.

That was Multicultural studies. Multicultural children's lit was all this stuff about African children and shit.Imagine goodnight moon but it's some Ugandan child and he's hunting lions and whatever the hell else he does (this was an actual story btw although to be serious it had nothing to do with good night moon). Not only were we being forced to read literature that came from cultures no one even heard of, but they were literally baby books. Like come on.

You HAD to take THIS SPECIFIC CLASS? It sounds to me like you had to fulfill some sort of global cultures requirement, thought this class looked easy, and then dismissed it entirely because you didn’t find it interesting and were annoyed by the professor, but didn’t drop it for some reason, and rather than try to engage with the material anyways you just decided to assume none of it could possibly have any value or even try to learn anything in it.

I'm totally for cutting any classes related to social justice. Most of them are absolutely meaningless. Your future jobs wants to see your qualifications and knowing alot about theories of power and oppression doesn't make you look smart. It does quite the opposite

Again, the irony of only viewing classes in light of their utility for your future employment by capitalists yet calling for immediate class war is incredible lol

Edit: unless you are in fact being sarcastic and have literally just never considered assigning value to anything that the capitalist class doesn’t assign value to??

And before anyone says "but people gotta learn tolerance," I just wanna say right now that a college class cannot teach you to not be a racist. Either you aren't one like most people or you are one and college won't stop that. I'm pretty sure that without these multicultural clssses, 90% of people could still treat a person of a different race respectfully and not start screaming racial slurs at them

Yeah, but it can teach you about other cultures. Like the African children’s literature you apparently absorbed absolutely no knowledge about, for example.

[Senkaku]

Homeschooling doesn’t provide a superior education. And no co-ops are not the norm.


That’s where you’d be wrong.

I think your position on homeschooling is super irrational and largely a product of your own issues with your parents. It's pretty absurd to claim that Homeschooling doesn't provide a superior education when there are high schools with 7% literacy rates.

And there’s also high schools with 100% literacy rates, and homeschooled kids who can’t read. Cherry-picking samples is not a fruitful exercise (heh pun about fruit accidentally I guess??)

[Senkaku]

So to be clear— you think any course that might not be actively good for your chances at getting hired by some capitalists at a tech firm or investment bank is worthless knowledge that should be eliminated, and you can’t differentiate between the lumpenproletariat and elites with the resources to do nothing but gamble and do coke... but you’re on fire for the revolution? Lmao

I believe he was being sarcastic.

Honestly at this point twitter tankies have totally melted my sarcasm meter

But if that’s the case, then I would make the point that only thinking things have value if they stand to monetarily benefit you is pretty fucked lol

[Senkaku]

ITT: A lot of people who really didn't like their required courses and don't know what "Expand your horizon" means.

Plenty of ways to expand your horizon without being forced to waste a not insignificant amount of time and money on stuff you have no interest in that will not impart job-specific skills dearly needed for the post-college transition to the work force.

I recommend traveling, or better yet participating in an exchange program.

Anything that does not stack my resume for IB after I graduate is useless, I am not being paid by Jamie Dimon I genuinely just love the taste of his cock in my throat

[United Dependencies]

And the vast majority of the time, the job isn't going to involve writing papers. So why the hell should they be expected to? They're going to forget anyways, unless its a regular activity. You're not going to write a scientific paper unless you do research professionally or never leave university because you work for one.

Outside of chemistry lab, I've never written anything that remotely required anything resembling technical writing. A simple command of the English language is sufficient 99% of the time.

Writing also teaches people to organize their thoughts and express them. It also is an opportunity to engage in some creativity. That you don't write papers for your job doesn't mean that there aren't underlying skills that you can learn by writing.

[Senkaku]

I agree with not forcing classes that have nothing to do with your chosen career path, but cutting everything that's not "hey look buddy, I'm an engineer, that means I solve problems" is fucking stupid, and I say this as someone who has technocratic leanings.

Yeah, every engineer I’ve ever met is an awesome communicator who doesn’t need to waste any time learning to write and clearly express their ideas, and it’s not like that’s ever a problem in our society, why should they have to delay entering the workforce when they could be making their bosses so much money that much earlier

[The Lone Alliance]

I'd be fine if colleges dropped unnecessary courses that are simply people's beliefs pushed as education...

Unless you're getting a degree in religious studies it's unnecessary.

As for regular education.... at this point I believe it is broken beyond repair.

The current incoming generation of school age children are going to be functionally useless adults if they don't commit suicide by the time they're 16 from the stress.

[The Rurkovich Imperium]

but high schools could replace them with more useful subjects, such as teaching students how to file taxes.

As someone who just took a college course on filing income tax: good luck keeping that curriculum consistently updated year to year. Even if you just teach the base 1060 you'll find that it changes yearly, and especially so under a new administration.

[Senkaku]

The real question is why everyone and their grandma needs to go to college. Our skills deficit is in skilled trades, manufacturing, etc- mostly not fields that in any sane world require a college degree.

Maybe we could just put colleges and trade schools into gigantic universities as different schools within them? I dunno, that could go some way towards alleviating the weird prestige gap between college and trade school

[The Lone Alliance]

The real question is why everyone and their grandma needs to go to college. Our skills deficit is in skilled trades, manufacturing, etc- mostly not fields that in any sane world require a college degree.

Because the people in charge of education policy have political connections with colleges and they want to make a school to college pipeline so they can rake in the money from student or government loans.

Trade schools, Manufacturing, and other "Blue collar" jobs don't have those political and class connections.

[Senkaku]

I'd be fine if colleges dropped unnecessary courses that are simply people's beliefs pushed as education...

Unless you're getting a degree in religious studies it's unnecessary.

other people’s beliefs: useless and not relevant, and definitely not smthn you need to know about as you go through life

As for regular education.... at this point I believe it is broken beyond repair.

Beyond repair would suggest you think we might as well just throw it overboard? Or do u mean smthn else (srs question, not clear)

The current incoming generation of school age children are going to be functionally useless adults if they don't commit suicide by the time they're 16 from the stress.

Well tbf, having your civilization ground into the dirt over the course of your life by the natural forces it unleashed in its own shortsighted greed is kinda stressful, esp when you know it’s happening in advance