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by Fahran » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:57 pm
Totenborg wrote:That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:49 pm
Fahran wrote:Totenborg wrote:That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.
Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Totenborg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:51 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Fahran wrote:Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.
Religion is very related to gender, in the sense that abrahamic religions have relegated women to basically being property for thousands of years. Religion in my opinion has been one of the biggest purveyors of sexism and continues to impinge upon equality. I never understood why women were more religious on average than men considering the western religions give men a huge privilege compared to females
by Totenborg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:56 pm
Fahran wrote:Totenborg wrote:That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.
Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.
by Tarsonis » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:27 pm
Totenborg wrote:Fahran wrote:Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.
I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.
by Totenborg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:48 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Totenborg wrote:I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.
Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.
by Galloism » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:57 pm
Totenborg wrote:Fahran wrote:Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.
I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.
by Nakena » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:11 am
Tarsonis wrote:Totenborg wrote:I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.
Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:38 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Calling a person a baby factory is like calling a country a car factory because it's got a car factory in it tbh. Reductive.
Also, You may as well call someone a poop factory, or a carbon dioxide production plant.
At least with the latter two we don't have a choice and it's literally something we're built to have to do. If people were going round getting apoplectic over weirdos up and deciding it's their human right to have their poop surgically removed daily rather than shit it out i'd understand (In that stupid human way) where the disagreement came from and why people were so mad about it. Angry people shouting how it's unnatural and we're supposed to take shits and it's how we're built and so on and how the people are just degenerates winding people up for the sake of winding them up V You're treating me like i'm nothing but a poop factory because you hate me and so on.
You are a poop factory. That's literally what you are.
Incidentally, it is their human right to deal with their poop however they want, no matter how stupid it is.
With babies though, it's like, no. That's an option, not a fundamental aspect of existence. You can also do a handstand if you like, but you don't have to do one.
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by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:55 am
by Page » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:50 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Lesbian marriages ending in divorce at twice the rate of gay marriages. This would appear to undermine Fahrans explanations for why women initiate most divorces with men and leans more toward the MRM interpretation of those stats.
by Totenborg » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:20 am
Page wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Lesbian marriages ending in divorce at twice the rate of gay marriages. This would appear to undermine Fahrans explanations for why women initiate most divorces with men and leans more toward the MRM interpretation of those stats.
Could you provide me a short summary of MRM theory on the high lesbian divorce rate?
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:32 am
by New Paine » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:40 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:15 am
New Paine wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Men's rights =/= misogyny.
The only part of the Men’s Rights movements that I actually have a decent amount respect for is the Father’s rights movement. There have been many Fathers that have been unjustly alienated from their children and They face systemic misandry in the courts. The other parts of the MRA mainly became MIGTOW and Incels....and I can’t say that I have that much respect for....
by Totenborg » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:27 am
by Ors Might » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:51 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:04 am
by Totenborg » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:04 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Totenborg wrote:While that's technically true, MRAs that I've talked to, seen, and read about, have generally done very little to disentangle the two. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've personally seen very few.
I would've thought you'd have seen more than very few exceptions on NS alone, given the amount of non-misogynistic MRAs I've seen you debate in this thread.
by Loben The 2nd » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:05 am
Totenborg wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I would've thought you'd have seen more than very few exceptions on NS alone, given the amount of non-misogynistic MRAs I've seen you debate in this thread.
Maybe. To be fair, I may not be the best judge of this particular thing. I may just be too close to the subject, as I've never faced any discrimination on virtue of being a man, but I've witnessed tons of misogyny. So, I just come down on the feminism side of the coin. I'm trying to be less confrontational about it now, as I realize that I've come off as more than a bit aggressive in the past. The #gamergate crowd like a very particular poster here boil my blood to a point where I borderline get a rage headache, though.
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