Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[A m e n r i a]

Those words apply to you much more than me, considering I'm sane enough to not have the delusion that God doesn't exist.

Too late do I realize that one can not engage in discussion with a person who lacks the capability for thinking. My bad.

No, the fault is mine. So why are you still here?

But Muhammad didn't form paganism. He was the last Muslim prophet.

Yes, and the religion he formed demanded full conversion of peoples and the destruction of their religious symbols. As such, his very existence was an act of war, and it was really an embarrassment for the Arabs, their folly, and eventually the undoing of their very civilization that they did not brutally execute him the moment he started spewing his hatred.

Oh look, a link to a fact! Also, you do realize Adam was the first Muslim, right? And God Himself formed the religion taught to Adam?

More facts, this time about encouraging love towards women and children. Not as relevant, but still proves that ours is a religion of peace

[Saranidia]

Too late do I realize that one can not engage in discussion with a person who lacks the capability for thinking. My bad.

No, the fault is mine. So why are you still here?

Yes, and the religion he formed demanded full conversion of peoples and the destruction of their religious symbols. As such, his very existence was an act of war, and it was really an embarrassment for the Arabs, their folly, and eventually the undoing of their very civilization that they did not brutally execute him the moment he started spewing his hatred.

Oh look, a link to a fact!

Yeah and ‘whosoever wills let him believe and whosoever wills let him disbelieve’.
Muhammad had pagan, Christian and probably Jewish soldiers.

[Saranidia]

No, the fault is mine. So why are you still here?



Oh look, a link to a fact!

Yeah and ‘whosoever wills let him believe and whosoever wills let him disbelieve’.
Muhammad had pagan, Christian and probably Jewish soldiers.

Then again Israel has Bedouin soldiers who supposedly follow our religion so maybe that’s a flawed argument.

[Saranidia]

No, the fault is mine. So why are you still here?



Oh look, a link to a fact!

Yeah and ‘whosoever wills let him believe and whosoever wills let him disbelieve’.
Muhammad had pagan, Christian and probably Jewish soldiers.

Then again Israel has Bedouin soldiers who supposedly follow our religion so maybe that’s a flawed argument.

[North German Realm]

(1)Oh look, a link to a fact! (2)Also, you do realize Adam was the first Muslim, right? And (3) God Himself formed the religion taught to Adam?

1- I can't believe I have to teach a Muslim about the difference between Early and Late Medinan verses. I probably don't. You know that verse is only a bold-faced lie told when Muhammad's little cult was still in its self-victimizing phase and not yet capable of showing its true nature, and as such you know what you are doing is arguing in bad faith. So I won't expand on it.
2- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.
3- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

[A m e n r i a]

No, the fault is mine. So why are you still here?



Oh look, a link to a fact!

Yeah and ‘whosoever wills let him believe and whosoever wills let him disbelieve’.
Muhammad had pagan, Christian and probably Jewish soldiers.

Did he now? Sauce, please.

[Saranidia]

(1)Oh look, a link to a fact! (2)Also, you do realize Adam was the first Muslim, right? And (3) God Himself formed the religion taught to Adam?

1- I can't believe I have to teach a Muslim about the difference between Meccan and Medinan verses. I probably don't. You know that verse is only a bold-faced lie told when Muhammad's little cult was still in its self-victimizing phase and not yet capable of showing its true nature, and as such you know what you are doing is arguing in bad faith. So I won't expand on it.
2- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.
3- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

1- dude take a chill pill

2- even after they took Mecca they didn’t kill all the pagans or even all the pagan war criminals.

3- make one verse calling for religious persecution in the Quran(killing enemy soldiers in war doesn’t count)

4- take another chill pill

5- still no evidence Muhammad is a rapist, apparently you think being with a 16 y/o girl is rape by definition and so, apparently is any relationship with a power imbalance, so I am not sure I would trust as a juror if I was accused by some liar.

[A m e n r i a]

(1)Oh look, a link to a fact! (2)Also, you do realize Adam was the first Muslim, right? And (3) God Himself formed the religion taught to Adam?

1- I can't believe I have to teach a Muslim about the difference between Meccan and Medinan verses. I probably don't. You know that verse is only a bold-faced lie told when Muhammad's little cult was still in its self-victimizing phase and not yet capable of showing its true nature, and as such you know what you are doing is arguing in bad faith. So I won't expand on it.
2- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.
3- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

1. Cult

Its true nature is that of peace, mate. Hence religion of peace.

2. Yet more facts. You don't get tired of being wrong, do you?

3. Like, seriously? Not at all?

1- I can't believe I have to teach a Muslim about the difference between Meccan and Medinan verses. I probably don't. You know that verse is only a bold-faced lie told when Muhammad's little cult was still in its self-victimizing phase and not yet capable of showing its true nature, and as such you know what you are doing is arguing in bad faith. So I won't expand on it.
2- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.
3- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

1- dude take a chill pill

2- even after they took Mecca they didn’t kill all the pagans or even all the pagan war criminals.

3- make one verse calling for religious persecution in the Quran(killing enemy soldiers in war doesn’t count)

4- take another chill pill

5- still no evidence Muhammad is a rapist, apparently you think being with a 16 y/o girl is rape by definition and so, apparently is any relationship with a power imbalance, so I am not sure I would trust as a juror if I was accused by some liar.

No offence, but I think you might need one too. A chill pill, I mean, not a teenage wife.

[Saranidia]

Yeah and ‘whosoever wills let him believe and whosoever wills let him disbelieve’.
Muhammad had pagan, Christian and probably Jewish soldiers.

Did he now? Sauce, please.

‘Sauce please’ i don’t understand

[A m e n r i a]

Did he now? Sauce, please.

‘Sauce please’ i don’t understand

I was asking for a link to a source for your statement.

[Saranidia]

‘Sauce please’ i don’t understand

I was asking for a link to a source for your statement.

Oh ok will find it

[Saranidia]

1- I can't believe I have to teach a Muslim about the difference between Meccan and Medinan verses. I probably don't. You know that verse is only a bold-faced lie told when Muhammad's little cult was still in its self-victimizing phase and not yet capable of showing its true nature, and as such you know what you are doing is arguing in bad faith. So I won't expand on it.
2- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.
3- No, Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

1. Cult

Its true nature is that of peace, mate. Hence religion of peace.

2. Yet more facts. You don't get tired of being wrong, do you?

3. Like, seriously? Not at all?

1- dude take a chill pill

2- even after they took Mecca they didn’t kill all the pagans or even all the pagan war criminals.

3- make one verse calling for religious persecution in the Quran(killing enemy soldiers in war doesn’t count)

4- take another chill pill

5- still no evidence Muhammad is a rapist, apparently you think being with a 16 y/o girl is rape by definition and so, apparently is any relationship with a power imbalance, so I am not sure I would trust as a juror if I was accused by some liar.

No offence, but I think you might need one too. A chill pill, I mean, not a teenage wife.

Can I have both? Hahaha LOL

[A m e n r i a]

1. Cult

Its true nature is that of peace, mate. Hence religion of peace.

2. Yet more facts. You don't get tired of being wrong, do you?

3. Like, seriously? Not at all?



No offence, but I think you might need one too. A chill pill, I mean, not a teenage wife.

Can I have both? Hahaha LOL

Sure, itlf it's legal over there. The marriage age here is 20, so don't go to China to marry a teenager.

[Saranidia]

Can I have both? Hahaha LOL

Sure, itlf it's legal over there. The marriage age here is 20, so don't go to China to marry a teenager.

20? Oh ok.
Yeah it’s legal in the UK(if they are 16 or over which I think is a reasonable age) but that was a joke because I am 17 and the girl I want to marry is 18 so I am not likely to marry her whilst she is a teenager.

[North German Realm]

1. Cult

Its true nature is that of peace, mate. Hence religion of peace.

2. Yet more facts. You don't get tired of being wrong, do you?

3. Like, seriously? Not at all?

Stop lying and posting in bad faith.

[Jolthig]

Writing-style Jolthig is coming in full-force tonight.

[Jolthig]

Sardinia and Amenria, I'd recommend not replying to both Pilarcraft and Alma until I have written my response as I have read enough history of early Islam to prepare a detailed response. Otherwise, both sides will be wasting time on this discussion until both sides have prepared eloquent responses. You both don't know enough history to compete with Pilarcraft and Alma, no offense. Let me handle this.

We need to be professional, brothers. Otherwise, you'll be starting a pointless flame war. Don't respond to both Pilarcraft and Alma until I have responded as I will be detailing my response, and citing my sources as well as cross referencing.

[A m e n r i a]

Sardinia and Amenria, I'd recommend not replying to both Pilarcraft and Alma until I have written my response as I have read enough history of early Islam to prepare a detailed response. Otherwise, both sides will be wasting time on this discussion until both sides have prepared eloquent responses. You both don't know enough history to compete with Pilarcraft and Alma, no offense. Let me handle this.

We need to be professional, brothers. Otherwise, you'll be starting a pointless flame war. Don't respond to both Pilarcraft and Alma until I have responded as I will be detailing my response, and citing my sources as well as cross referencing.

Go for it, fam

[Jolthig]

My writing begins now. Inshallah. Perhaps within half an hour, I'll be done.

EDIT:
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Idk why I said "half an hour" three hours later. Since I'm being very detailed with my response in a concentrated effort to prove why it isn't a lie that Islam did not forcefully convert disbelievers.

EDIT #2:

Given this post is a lot of work, and I may be coming into another split post like I did back in April 2018.

This will be my most detailed post since then because of Alma and Pilarcraft's accusation of falsehood on the part of those who defend Islam. So it's a big attempt to prove the historical evidence for our defense of Islam, and a rebuttal to our opponents. Not that I'm intentionally trying to bore you all with long information, but given the mutual hostility on both sides, I decided to go full detail. The post will most likely be split into parts. But this is especially for you Pilarcraft since you know Arabic.

Alma, you're not left out though.

[A m e n r i a]

My writing begins now. Inshallah. Perhaps within half an hour, I'll be done.

EDIT:
...

Idk why I said "half an hour" three hours later. Since I'm being very detailed with my response in a concentrated effort to prove why it isn't a lie that Islam did not forcefully convert disbelievers.

EDIT #2:

Given this post is a lot of work, and I may be coming into another split post like I did back in April 2018.

This will be my most detailed post since then because of Alma and Pilarcraft's accusation of falsehood on the part of those who defend Islam. So it's a big attempt to prove the historical evidence for our defense of Islam, and a rebuttal to our opponents. Not that I'm intentionally trying to bore you all with long information, but given the mutual hostility on both sides, I decided to go full detail. The post will most likely be split into parts. But this is especially for you Pilarcraft since you know Arabic.

Alma, you're not left out though.

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

[Jolthig]

My writing begins now. Inshallah. Perhaps within half an hour, I'll be done.

EDIT:
...

Idk why I said "half an hour" three hours later. Since I'm being very detailed with my response in a concentrated effort to prove why it isn't a lie that Islam did not forcefully convert disbelievers.

EDIT #2:

Given this post is a lot of work, and I may be coming into another split post like I did back in April 2018.

This will be my most detailed post since then because of Alma and Pilarcraft's accusation of falsehood on the part of those who defend Islam. So it's a big attempt to prove the historical evidence for our defense of Islam, and a rebuttal to our opponents. Not that I'm intentionally trying to bore you all with long information, but given the mutual hostility on both sides, I decided to go full detail. The post will most likely be split into parts. But this is especially for you Pilarcraft since you know Arabic.

Alma, you're not left out though.

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

That's what I'm going for. I'm giving him references from hadith and Quran. But also showing him the chains of narration to establish their authenticity.

[A m e n r i a]

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

That's what I'm going for. I'm giving him references from hadith and Quran. But also showing him the chains of narration to establish their authenticity.

Nice. I'll watch. Might learn a thing or two.

[North German Realm]

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

No. I objectively should not. The very fact that Arabia became Muslim at the business end of the scimitar -and the fact that it fell to civil war trying to leave that invasive religion the moment Muhammad kicked the bucket- alone is enough of a proof that Islam as a religion is not built on, nor does it aspire for, peace. Hell, it's even in the name: Submission. No matter what an ideology says, if literally every single iteration of its implementation did the opposite, what the ideology says is moot.

[Jolthig]

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

No. I objectively should not. The very fact that Arabia became Muslim at the business end of the scimitar -and the fact that it fell to civil war trying to leave that invasive religion the moment Muhammad kicked the bucket- alone is enough of a proof that Islam as a religion is not built on, nor does it aspire for, peace. Hell, it's even in the name: Submission. No matter what an ideology says, if literally every single iteration of its implementation did the opposite, what the ideology says is moot.

That is not how a debate works....

[North German Realm]

No. I objectively should not. The very fact that Arabia became Muslim at the business end of the scimitar -and the fact that it fell to civil war trying to leave that invasive religion the moment Muhammad kicked the bucket- alone is enough of a proof that Islam as a religion is not built on, nor does it aspire for, peace. Hell, it's even in the name: Submission. No matter what an ideology says, if literally every single iteration of its implementation did the opposite, what the ideology says is moot.

That is not how a debate works....

It's not, though. I'm not engaging in scriptural debate; I'm engaging in a debate on an ideology's nature. Implementation demonstrates a nature better than scripture does.