UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Heloin]

I blame the Lib Dems and Labour for both being general fucking arseholes to each other.

There are other clear points of blame, but this is the one that sticks out to me.

To be fair, we (Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid) did welcome Labour into the allience but Labour were too busy maintaining their "only party to keep out the Tories" brand image.

You didn't really counter my point. I'd say you solidified it. Now we just need a Labour supporter to respond how it's more the Lib Dems fault.

[Dumb Ideologies]

To be fair, we (Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid) did welcome Labour into the allience but Labour were too busy maintaining their "only party to keep out the Tories" brand image.

You didn't really counter my point. I'd say you solidified it. Now we just need a Labour supporter to respond how it's more the Lib Dems fault.

look up

[SD_Film Artists]

To be fair, we (Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid) did welcome Labour into the allience but Labour were too busy maintaining their "only party to keep out the Tories" brand image.

You didn't really counter my point. I'd say you solidified it. Now we just need a Labour supporter to respond how it's more the Lib Dems fault.

The door was always open. It's not as if Labour tried to come back to the allience but the Lib Dems rejected them because Corbyn etc.

[Heloin]

You didn't really counter my point. I'd say you solidified it. Now we just need a Labour supporter to respond how it's more the Lib Dems fault.

look up

Speak of the Devil and he shall appear.

You didn't really counter my point. I'd say you solidified it. Now we just need a Labour supporter to respond how it's more the Lib Dems fault.

The door was always open. It's not as if Labour tried to come back to the allience but the Lib Dems rejected them because Corbyn etc.

Like I said, both sides were too busy being stupid arseholes to each other.

[SD_Film Artists]

To be fair, we (Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid) did welcome Labour into the allience but Labour were too busy maintaining their "only party to keep out the Tories" brand image.

Lib Dems also fairly busy maintaining their "status quo but no Brexit" brand by proudly boasting about how in coalition they'd block most of the Labour manifesto.

Well we never claimed to be following the Labour manifesto so I wouldn't be supprised if we blocked it; though I'd be surprised if the Lib Dems enter into any coalition in the forseable future other than on a vote-by-vote basis as it seems like we get blamed for the bad stuff regardless of whether we block it or not.

[SD_Film Artists]

The door was always open. It's not as if Labour tried to come back to the allience but the Lib Dems rejected them because Corbyn etc.

Like I said, both sides were too busy being stupid arseholes to each other.

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. There was some rare disunity in the Lib Dems as some wanted to support Labour unconditionally while others wanted to close ranks until Labour agrees to stand down in some seats, but either way it was still Labour who were refusing to enter an allience. As I said before, the door was always open but tribalism is part of Labour's brand.

[New Bremerton]

The Tories hold in my former constituency. Luciana Berger didn't even come close to unseating Mike Freer.

It's official. The Tories now have an unassailable majority with which to fulfill Brexit and keep the leftists out for many years to come. I would like to wish Boris and the people of Britain a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and Decade!

[Samudera Darussalam]

Congrats for the supporters of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

[Gormwood]

I suppose all I can really do is shake my fist and cry to the heavens;

WE'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, TORIES! NEXT TIME!

MRRRROOOOOOOOOOOWWWW...

[Dresderstan]

The Tories have about 100K less of John Major's historic 1992 popular vote high of 14 million.

[Heloin]

Like I said, both sides were too busy being stupid arseholes to each other.

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. There was some rare disunity in the Lib Dems as some wanted to support Labour unconditionally while others wanted to close ranks until Labour agrees to stand down in some seats, but either way it was still Labour who were refusing to enter an allience. As I said before, the door was always open but tribalism is part of Labour's brand.

"We're not the problem, they're the problem." I'll give it to the Labour supporters that they at least seem to recognise their parties failings in this regard.

The Tories hold in my former constituency. Luciana Berger didn't come anywhere close to unseating Mike Freer.

It's official. The Tories now have an unassailable majority with which to fulfill Brexit and keep the leftists out for many years to come. I would like to wish Boris and the people of Britain a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and Decade!

If the UK is still united by the end of the 2020's it'll be a Christmas miracle I'll give you that.

[The Archregimancy]

With apologies to OP Huskar, I have given us a new poll.

I considered making F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. the joke option, but was worried it might win.

[Heloin]

With apologies to OP Huskar, I have given us a new poll.

I considered making F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. the joke option, but was worried it might win.

Yet you tease us with what could have been.

[Samudera Darussalam]

If the UK is still united by the end of the 2020's it'll be a Christmas miracle I'll give you that.

As much as I want to see a Western, first world country going through balkanization for the lols (no hard feelings, really. I just thought that it's funny), I just hope that even if the UK failed to remain united it won't go through the same shit (pardon for the language) as the Balkans.
However, in that case I'm curious on what Her Majesty the Queen would do.

[Thermodolia]

If Sinn Fein hold Fermanagh & South Tyrone as well as Newry & Armagh, there will be more nationalist MPs than Unionist MPs

Well they held it. There’s now more nationalist MPs than Unionist MPs. Border poll when?

[Vassenor]

So do we have enough info to do a proper post-mortem yet or are we still wildly scapegoating?

[Shamhnan Insir]

With apologies to OP Huskar, I have given us a new poll.

I considered making F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. the joke option, but was worried it might win.

Given the results I think many of us here could be doing with some good news from the F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S.

[Forumland]

random observations

1. The Welsh Lib Dems have been shut out for the second election in a row, and this time it wasn’t close. Their closest result was in Brecon and Radnorshire, where they lost by around 7000 votes. In Ceredigion they even fell behind the Tories.
2. The Tories gained both West Bromwich seats even though they had no Tory representation at the local level
3. Mansfield and Walsall North are now >60% Tory.
4. The SNP only won 47 (or 48) seats and was unable to hold NE Fife with a reduced majority
5. This is the first election where the Nationalists managed to get more seats than the Unionists. SF+SDLP are at 9 seats while the DUP holds 8. The Alliance took 1 seat but they’re neutral
6. All MPs who defected from one party to another have either left or lost their seats

So do we have enough info to do a proper post-mortem yet or are we still wildly scapegoating?

[The Archregimancy]

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. There was some rare disunity in the Lib Dems as some wanted to support Labour unconditionally while others wanted to close ranks until Labour agrees to stand down in some seats, but either way it was still Labour who were refusing to enter an allience. As I said before, the door was always open but tribalism is part of Labour's brand.

"We're not the problem, they're the problem." I'll give it to the Labour supporters that they at least seem to recognise their parties failings in this regard.

There were plenty of problems with the LibDem campaign. It was too presidential, it was too focused on Brexit, it started off with unrealistic hubris on the part of the leadership. It was clearly a disastrous failure; we lost our leader, the policy we're currently best-known for is about to become redundant, and there will be a lot of soul-searching over both strategy and tactics in the coming months.

Being 'not being nice enough to Labour' is not really the problem; that's generally the reaction we get from Labour supporters who can't get it out of their heads that LibDem supporters aren't just lost Labour voters who'd allow Labour to win if only they woke up and voted Labour like they're supposed to.

And why on earth should we have bent over backwards to cosy up to a party led by the unmitigated disaster that's been Jeremy Corbyn? For an awful lot of LibDem voters, last night vindicated our judgement that Corbyn was singularly unfit to ever be Prime Minister.

[Heloin]

If the UK is still united by the end of the 2020's it'll be a Christmas miracle I'll give you that.

As much as I want to see a Western, first world country going through balkanization for the lols (no hard feelings, really. I just thought that it's funny), I just hope that even if the UK failed to remain united it won't go through the same shit (pardon for the language) as the Balkans.

Never doubt the Irish.

However, in that case I'm curious on what Her Majesty the Queen would do.

Not really care and get back to her garden.

[Samudera Darussalam]

With apologies to OP Huskar, I have given us a new poll.

I considered making F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. the joke option, but was worried it might win.

Given the results I think many of us here could be doing with some good news from the F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S.

I've to admit that the name alone makes me laugh. Thanks Arch for the polls.

[The Archregimancy]

So do we have enough info to do a proper post-mortem yet or are we still wildly scapegoating?

Well, you could always offer your own proper post-mortem instead of snarking about the failures of others.

Why not give it a try? You never know, you might even like it.

[Souseiseki]

I doubt it made the slightest bit of difference.

Whatever Corbyn's clear and manifest failures as Labour leader - and many of us could come up with a fairly large list - his past support of Hugo Chavez was a non-issue in the election.

His rose-tinted glasses for the IRA and sharing a platform with Hezbollah gained much more attention.

i feel unable to fully post about this issue because of the laws in the united kingdom so i would like you to just sort of imagine what you think i might say on this subject

[SD_Film Artists]

I don't see how you come to that conclusion. There was some rare disunity in the Lib Dems as some wanted to support Labour unconditionally while others wanted to close ranks until Labour agrees to stand down in some seats, but either way it was still Labour who were refusing to enter an allience. As I said before, the door was always open but tribalism is part of Labour's brand.

"We're not the problem, they're the problem."

The--door--was--always--open. IIRC there weren't even any pre-conditions to joining other than to work together.

I'll give it to the Labour supporters that they at least seem to recognise their parties failings in this regard.

Do they? At least from my Facebook circle they seem to be blaming the media rather than admiting any failings.

[The Blaatschapen]

I voted that I am disappointed but that I see some positives.

The one positive is that it is now again completely up to one party to finalise Brexit. This might help in being effective with it.

Keyword is might.

I would not be surprised if the Tories still do not manage to pass such a meaningful vote on the agreement.