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Postby New Sukberia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:19 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:Beshear: 49.2%-709,846
Bevin: 48.8%-704,760

So it's less than .5%

Yes, i'm also seeing a 5.000 and some difference between the two, taking from French media since it's not biased.

If anyone is interested, they talked about it on French TV, and i found this article from Le Parisien (it's in French)

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/ ... 187228.php
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:21 pm

New Sukberia wrote:
New Sukberia wrote:Yes, i'm also seeing a 5.000 and some difference between the two, taking from French media since it's not biased.

If anyone is interested, they talked about it on French TV, and i found this article from Le Parisien (it's in French)

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/ ... 187228.php

LP is a sensationalist tabloid, I’d go with American sources for this election for obvious reasons. You can’t be biased with raw numbers
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

Republicans in the Kentucky legislature are considering outright stealing the Governor election they just lost according to the Senate President. They re making the claim that the Libertarian candidate was a spoiler and Bevin would have won if not for him and might attempt to declare Bevin the winner according to the Senate President Steve Stiver. Bevin has not conceded to Beshear.

If this plot succeeds I hope there are mass protests in Frankfort and these people are forced out of the capitol building. Hopefully a court will stop this coup. Gov elect Beshear isnt going to let them get away with it.

I think its quite clear at this point Republicans see Democracy as an annoyance.

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Excellent news from Kentucky in my opinion. Bevins is an asshole, but the Democrats are objectively worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:22 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:he won the most votes. Republicans are merely doing this because they dont like the fact they lost. Plus that is not why the electoral college was created and its also not the topic

with less than 1% and without a total majority, your argument is invalid. You act like Republicans can't issue a recount, but oh God the Dems DESERVE a recount in Georgia. Who the fuck are you to say what is and is not democratic, you fucking hypocrite?!

There was evidence of possible fraud. Here there is not. And you didnt answer my question. You made arguments against democracy saying it was unfair urban areas get their fair share of representation and we should give more to farms because dirt. You also said it wasn't fair a vote in a city counts the same as of someone in a farmhouse.

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Postby Atkemri » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:with less than 1% and without a total majority, your argument is invalid. You act like Republicans can't issue a recount, but oh God the Dems DESERVE a recount in Georgia. Who the fuck are you to say what is and is not democratic, you fucking hypocrite?!

There was evidence of possible fraud. Here there is not. And you didnt answer my question. You made arguments against democracy saying it was unfair urban areas get their fair share of representation and we should give more to farms because dirt. You also said it wasn't fair a vote in a city counts the same as of someone in a farmhouse.

Where was the evidence of fraud?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

Republicans in the Kentucky legislature are considering outright stealing the Governor election they just lost according to the Senate President. They re making the claim that the Libertarian candidate was a spoiler and Bevin would have won if not for him and might attempt to declare Bevin the winner according to the Senate President Steve Stiver. Bevin has not conceded to Beshear.

If this plot succeeds I hope there are mass protests in Frankfort and these people are forced out of the capitol building. Hopefully a court will stop this coup. Gov elect Beshear isnt going to let them get away with it.

I think its quite clear at this point Republicans see Democracy as an annoyance.

Your thoughts NSG?


Excellent news from Kentucky in my opinion. Bevins is an asshole, but the Democrats are objectively worse.

Yeah lets set the precedent of overturning election outcomes we dont like. If a Democratic legislature even hinted at something like this you'd be screaming bloody murder.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

Republicans in the Kentucky legislature are considering outright stealing the Governor election they just lost according to the Senate President. They re making the claim that the Libertarian candidate was a spoiler and Bevin would have won if not for him and might attempt to declare Bevin the winner according to the Senate President Steve Stiver. Bevin has not conceded to Beshear.

If this plot succeeds I hope there are mass protests in Frankfort and these people are forced out of the capitol building. Hopefully a court will stop this coup. Gov elect Beshear isnt going to let them get away with it.

I think its quite clear at this point Republicans see Democracy as an annoyance.

Your thoughts NSG?


Excellent news from Kentucky in my opinion. Bevins is an asshole, but the Democrats are objectively worse.

Nah, both Bevin and Beshear are equally as bad
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

The real question is how many people voted for the wrong guy in the booth because both their names start with a b
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Postby New Sukberia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
New Sukberia wrote:If anyone is interested, they talked about it on French TV, and i found this article from Le Parisien (it's in French)

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/ ... 187228.php

LP is a sensationalist tabloid, I’d go with American sources for this election for obvious reasons. You can’t be biased with raw numbers

LP has constantly been pro-De Gaulle, but in later years even the far-left have praised its neutrality.

I'll take that over Fox News and CNN, any time.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:From what I understand, less than half of the votes were for Bershear. Therefore, it is only right that he is not given the governorship, since he does not have a clear majority. Why do you hate democracy, Lumen?

That’s what we do down here in Georgia. If no candidate wins an outright majority then another election takes place so that a candidate has an outright majority.

Exactly that's why our last election had little miss AOC rip-off making up voter suppression and crapp to try and have a re election and hope she got more votes. God bless Governor Kemp!
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:24 pm

Atkemri wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There was evidence of possible fraud. Here there is not. And you didnt answer my question. You made arguments against democracy saying it was unfair urban areas get their fair share of representation and we should give more to farms because dirt. You also said it wasn't fair a vote in a city counts the same as of someone in a farmhouse.

Where was the evidence of fraud?


shortage of ballots, poll closings and power outrages in the Atlanta metro area.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Excellent news from Kentucky in my opinion. Bevins is an asshole, but the Democrats are objectively worse.

Yeah lets set the precedent of overturning election outcomes we dont like. If a Democratic legislature even hinted at something like this you'd be screaming bloody murder.


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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Atkemri wrote:Where was the evidence of fraud?


shortage of ballots, poll closings and power outrages in the Atlanta metro area.

Atlanta is in Georgia
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:26 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah lets set the precedent of overturning election outcomes we dont like. If a Democratic legislature even hinted at something like this you'd be screaming bloody murder.


Yes, your point?

Why is it ok for Republicans to do it?

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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:27 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s what we do down here in Georgia. If no candidate wins an outright majority then another election takes place so that a candidate has an outright majority.

Exactly that's why our last election had little miss AOC rip-off making up voter suppression and crapp to try and have a re election and hope she got more votes. God bless Governor Kemp!
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Postby Camelone » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:28 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The real question is how many people voted for the wrong guy in the booth because both their names start with a b

... not going to lie if that actually contributed to this, unlikely but still, I’m going to die laughing.
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Another day another blunder of neoliberal democracy… :roll:


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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:There was evidence of possible fraud. Here there is not. And you didnt answer my question. You made arguments against democracy saying it was unfair urban areas get their fair share of representation and we should give more to farms because dirt. You also said it wasn't fair a vote in a city counts the same as of someone in a farmhouse.

Why the fuck should I answer to you, when all you do is regurgitate the same damn shit over and over again, you are incapable of learning anything new.

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Postby New Sukberia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Yes, your point?

Why is it ok for Republicans to do it?

Too be fair, a 0.4% difference is a very tight race.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:29 pm

Great Kysilia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why is it ok for Republicans to do it?

Because it's legal and the recounts are normal in elections this close.

You have in the past called for recounts in Florida and other states as Galloism demonstrated.

By your own logic, you hate democracy and wanted to steal elections.

OEP outright called for the legislature to overturn the election. If Bevin wants a recount fine but he has to pay for it. Its very doubtful a 5000 vote lead will be overturned via recount. The issue here isn the legislature is openly talking about overturning the election result.

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Postby Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:29 pm

New Sukberia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:LP is a sensationalist tabloid, I’d go with American sources for this election for obvious reasons. You can’t be biased with raw numbers

LP has constantly been pro-De Gaulle, but in later years even the far-left have praised its neutrality.

I'll take that over Fox News and CNN, any time.

De Gaulle was objectively a good boy though. :p

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:29 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There was evidence of possible fraud. Here there is not. And you didnt answer my question. You made arguments against democracy saying it was unfair urban areas get their fair share of representation and we should give more to farms because dirt. You also said it wasn't fair a vote in a city counts the same as of someone in a farmhouse.

Why the fuck should I answer to you, when all you do is regurgitate the same damn shit over and over again, you are incapable of learning anything new.

Because you've yet to explain why dirt should matter more than actual votes other than claim it's unfair.

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Postby Fahran » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:OEP outright called for the legislature to overturn the election. If Bevin wants a recount fine but he has to pay for it. Its very doubtful a 5000 vote lead will be overturned via recount. The issue here isn the legislature is openly talking about overturning the election result.

OEP is a literal right-wing authoritarian, so... He objects to allowing liberals to govern on principle.

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Postby New Sukberia » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:30 pm

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New Sukberia wrote:LP has constantly been pro-De Gaulle, but in later years even the far-left have praised its neutrality.

I'll take that over Fox News and CNN, any time.

De Gaulle was objectively a good boy though. :p

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