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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
643
50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Total votes : 1277

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:34 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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And you think it's a good idea to have a bunch of untrained and armed people called up to deal with a situation?

I trust them more than the government. They don't have a confirmed anti-liberty agenda. The government do.


I'd really rather you didn't show up with a gun. You can't even see.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:35 pm

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Gig em Aggies wrote:In states such as Texas, the state constitution classifies male citizens between the ages of 17 and 45 to belong to the "Unorganized Reserve Militia".[64] The Texas constitution also grants the county sheriff and the governor of the state the authority to call upon the unorganized reserve militia to uphold the peace, repel invasion, and suppress rebellion, similar to the early "Texas Rangers".

as a famous Texan once said everyone else may go to Hell I'm going to Texas.


And you think it's a good idea to have a bunch of untrained and armed people called up to deal with a situation?

It's actually not uncommon to do so even today in search & rescue or recovery.

When we're looking for a missing person, it's not that uncommon for the sheriff to deputize a few dozen heads of search teams before we all climb in private airplanes with our spotters and go hunting for missing kids or hikers or whatever.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:37 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
And you think it's a good idea to have a bunch of untrained and armed people called up to deal with a situation?

It's actually not uncommon to do so even today in search & rescue or recovery.

When we're looking for a missing person, it's not that uncommon for the sheriff to deputize a few dozen heads of search teams before we all climb in private airplanes with our spotters and go hunting for missing kids or hikers or whatever.


A missing person is very different from a missing suspect. A posse is not the way modern law enforcement works.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I trust them more than the government. They don't have a confirmed anti-liberty agenda. The government do.


I'd really rather you didn't show up with a gun. You can't even see.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:39 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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I'd really rather you didn't show up with a gun. You can't even see.

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I'm never going to embarrassed about saying that blind people shouldn't have guns. Try as much as you like. You can't drive either.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:39 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Yay, we all love ablism.


I'm never going to embarrassed about saying that blind people shouldn't have guns. Try as much as you like. You can't drive either.

Scared?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:40 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:It's actually not uncommon to do so even today in search & rescue or recovery.

When we're looking for a missing person, it's not that uncommon for the sheriff to deputize a few dozen heads of search teams before we all climb in private airplanes with our spotters and go hunting for missing kids or hikers or whatever.


A missing person is very different from a missing suspect. A posse is not the way modern law enforcement works.

We've done it for suspects a time or two over the years, when they fled into the woods or the Everglades and the search area is large.

Granted, it's not near as often. We have to consider risk to the searchers, so usually we team up an officer with 1-2 citizens so there's a full time officer there with each group.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:40 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I'm never going to embarrassed about saying that blind people shouldn't have guns. Try as much as you like. You can't drive either.

Scared?


Lol.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:45 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If it wasn't for that court case that banned private armies what they're proposing would be impossible.

In states such as Texas, the state constitution classifies male citizens between the ages of 17 and 45 to belong to the "Unorganized Reserve Militia".[64] The Texas constitution also grants the county sheriff and the governor of the state the authority to call upon the unorganized reserve militia to uphold the peace, repel invasion, and suppress rebellion, similar to the early "Texas Rangers".

as a famous Texan once said everyone else may go to Hell I'm going to Texas.

If they weren't so religious and authoritarian on social policy, I would be interested in moving there. That is a great constitutional provision.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:46 pm

Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

Yes. The second amendment applies to everybody.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:47 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

They're able to own cars. They can't drive them, but they can own them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:49 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

They're able to own cars. They can't drive them, but they can own them.


So they should be able to own them but never use them?

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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:They're able to own cars. They can't drive them, but they can own them.


So they should be able to own them but never use them?

If you want to regulate them like cars, that would be the answer.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So they should be able to own them but never use them?

If you want to regulate them like cars, that would be the answer.


I'm asking what you think, not what I think.

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:52 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

There are legal provisions for blind people to hunt with guns, in my state at least. I don’t know how, exactly, but they exist.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:53 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28587041

Even I'm surprised at this.Some blind people do hunt.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:54 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28587041

Even I'm surprised at this.Some blind people do hunt.

Big shocker isn't it? Some of us do lots of things by ourselves. We run businesses and even handle hot stoves! Some of us are even parents.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:If you want to regulate them like cars, that would be the answer.


I'm asking what you think, not what I think.

Blind people are a hard question. It's hard to imagine a blind person using a gun successfully or safely.

But at the same time, we try to avoid removing peoples' civil rights based on disability. We don't take an amnesiac's right to vote away, even if they can't remember the candidates and without it it would be hard to vote successfully and their incorrect vote could harm others.

That being said, I haven't seen an epidemic of the blind buying and misusing firearms, so much like the hysteria surrounding third term abortion, which is exceptionally rare, I'm not going to get too excited about it do to the exceptional rarity socially speaking.

Does that help?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:57 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:List of shitbag parasite CEO's and the companies they work at, who think they know what's best for you while they are protected by people who have guns, because they are more important than you.
Here’s the List of Companies That Asked Congress for Gun Control
They can all go fuck themselves with a running chainsaw while drinking a gallon of bleach.

Twitter and Reddit among them, huh? Remember when companies pulled ads from Youtube for having pedo content on their site? It would be a shame if gun owners decided to go after the Reddit/Twitter advertisers and send them screenshots and archives of all the terrorist accounts on Twitter and neo-nazi/anti-police/necrophilia content from Reddit...

And I have been telling people for a while that Lyft and Uber are anti-gun fascists, support your local taxi company.

I bet the Uber and Lyft CEOs want guns banned because they're afraid of their "independent contractors" going postal and shooting up the company's headquarters.

Because trampling on the rights of millions is easier than not treating your employees like shit.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28587041

Even I'm surprised at this.Some blind people do hunt.

Big shocker isn't it? Some of us do lots of things by ourselves. We run businesses and even handle hot stoves! Some of us are even parents.

I know blind people could be independent in many areas; I just didn't think they could aim a gun.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I'm asking what you think, not what I think.

Blind people are a hard question. It's hard to imagine a blind person using a gun successfully or safely.

But at the same time, we try to avoid removing peoples' civil rights based on disability. We don't take an amnesiac's right to vote away, even if they can't remember the candidates and without it it would be hard to vote successfully and their incorrect vote could harm others.

That being said, I haven't seen an epidemic of the blind buying and misusing firearms, so much like the hysteria surrounding third term abortion, which is exceptionally rare, I'm not going to get too excited about it do to the exceptional rarity socially speaking.

Does that help?


I can't wait for blind pilots to become a thing.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Big shocker isn't it? Some of us do lots of things by ourselves. We run businesses and even handle hot stoves! Some of us are even parents.

I know blind people could be independent in many areas; I just didn't think they could aim a gun.

Admittedly, that article has some impressive claims.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Twitter and Reddit among them, huh? Remember when companies pulled ads from Youtube for having pedo content on their site? It would be a shame if gun owners decided to go after the Reddit/Twitter advertisers and send them screenshots and archives of all the terrorist accounts on Twitter and neo-nazi/anti-police/necrophilia content from Reddit...

And I have been telling people for a while that Lyft and Uber are anti-gun fascists, support your local taxi company.

I bet the Uber and Lyft CEOs want guns banned because they're afraid of their "independent contractors" going postal and shooting up the company's headquarters.

Because trampling on the rights of millions is easier than not treating your employees like shit.

Boycott gun grabbers.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:Blind people are a hard question. It's hard to imagine a blind person using a gun successfully or safely.

But at the same time, we try to avoid removing peoples' civil rights based on disability. We don't take an amnesiac's right to vote away, even if they can't remember the candidates and without it it would be hard to vote successfully and their incorrect vote could harm others.

That being said, I haven't seen an epidemic of the blind buying and misusing firearms, so much like the hysteria surrounding third term abortion, which is exceptionally rare, I'm not going to get too excited about it do to the exceptional rarity socially speaking.

Does that help?


I can't wait for blind pilots to become a thing.

If they can figure out how to do it safely, the FAA would probably allow it.

We have armless pilots already.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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