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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:11 pm

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... er-k2-18b/

So, considering the grand number of threads that are utterly depressing, combative, or just plain shitstorms, I wanted to celebrate something big in science that just went by. A planet, tens of times larger than earth has been found to have water on it. (No, we didn’t go, it’s through water vapor absorbing light. The article has more info on how that works.) That’s noteworthy, but not overtly so-other planets have been found to have water before. Thing is, this one is in the Goldilocks Zone of its respective star, making it the most likely candidate for life that we know of.

Sadly, we can’t exactly check-it’s 111 light years away. But SPACE!

So, NSG, do you think there might be life on this planet? Would it be worth it to go? Not just for extraterrestrial life, but also as a secondary planet for us? And if there was life, what would happen?
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:17 pm

Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:20 pm

Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:23 pm

Kowani wrote:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/09/first-water-found-in-habitable-exoplanets-atmosphere-hubble-kepler-k2-18b/

So, considering the grand number of threads that are utterly depressing, combative, or just plain shitstorms, I wanted to celebrate something big in science that just went by. A planet, tens of times larger than earth has been found to have water on it. (No, we didn’t go, it’s through water vapor absorbing light. The article has more info on how that works.) That’s noteworthy, but not overtly so-other planets have been found to have water before. Thing is, this one is in the Goldilocks Zone of its respective star, making it the most likely candidate for life that we know of.

Sadly, we can’t exactly check-it’s 111 light years away. But SPACE!

So, NSG, do you think there might be life on this planet? Would it be worth it to go? Not just for extraterrestrial life, but also as a secondary planet for us? And if there was life, what would happen?


Well, what would we want in a habitable planet?

Liquid water
Similar gravity
Nitrogen oxygen atmosphere
Solid surface
Strong Magnetic field
Fertile soil

We know two of those are positive, now all we need is confirmation on the other four...and either an FTL drive or a generation ship.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:25 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Kowani wrote:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/09/first-water-found-in-habitable-exoplanets-atmosphere-hubble-kepler-k2-18b/

So, considering the grand number of threads that are utterly depressing, combative, or just plain shitstorms, I wanted to celebrate something big in science that just went by. A planet, tens of times larger than earth has been found to have water on it. (No, we didn’t go, it’s through water vapor absorbing light. The article has more info on how that works.) That’s noteworthy, but not overtly so-other planets have been found to have water before. Thing is, this one is in the Goldilocks Zone of its respective star, making it the most likely candidate for life that we know of.

Sadly, we can’t exactly check-it’s 111 light years away. But SPACE!

So, NSG, do you think there might be life on this planet? Would it be worth it to go? Not just for extraterrestrial life, but also as a secondary planet for us? And if there was life, what would happen?


Well, what would we want in a habitable planet?

Liquid water
Similar gravity
Nitrogen oxygen atmosphere
Solid surface
Strong Magnetic field
Fertile soil

We know two of those are positive, now all we need is confirmation on the other four...and either an FTL drive or a generation ship.

3, actually. Red Giants are too generally weak to strip magnetic fields, iirc. I could be totally wrong.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:27 pm

OK, how motherfucking huge will the sum of money necessary to get there be?
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Postby US-SSR » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:28 pm

8x more massive than Earth and close enough to its sun to fry any life via radiation. maybe a water world, maybe a few vapor trails. i won't be booking a trip any time soon.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!


https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... gravity-us

Actually, according to this it’d be more like 1.42G, so 50% higher then earth.

Kowani wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Well, what would we want in a habitable planet?

Liquid water
Similar gravity
Nitrogen oxygen atmosphere
Solid surface
Strong Magnetic field
Fertile soil

We know two of those are positive, now all we need is confirmation on the other four...and either an FTL drive or a generation ship.

3, actually. Red Giants are too generally weak to strip magnetic fields, iirc. I could be totally wrong.


But it’d also require a magnetic field to start with, for example I think Mars lacks one.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:32 pm

Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!

A lot depends on climate conditions which we have no way of knowing, but "lightweight and fragile" seems unlikely. In heavy gravity you're going to run into the same problems that terrestrial animals struggle with as they grow larger, but sooner. So you would expect animal-like life to have the general body plan of a elephant or sauropod on land. With extremely sturdy trunk like legs, even for a creature the size of a small deer.

And, of course, in our gravity they would be absurdly strong. Having many times the bone and muscle mass needed to support themselves.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:34 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!

A lot depends on climate conditions which we have no way of knowing, but "lightweight and fragile" seems unlikely. In heavy gravity you're going to run into the same problems that terrestrial animals struggle with as they grow larger, but sooner. So you would expect animal-like life to have the general body plan of a elephant or sauropod on land. With extremely sturdy trunk like legs, even for a creature the size of a small deer.

And, of course, in our gravity they would be absurdly strong. Having many times the bone and muscle mass needed to support themselves.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:38 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!


https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... gravity-us

Actually, according to this it’d be more like 1.42G, so 50% higher then earth.

Kowani wrote:3, actually. Red Giants are too generally weak to strip magnetic fields, iirc. I could be totally wrong.


But it’d also require a magnetic field to start with, for example I think Mars lacks one.

There's good reason to think that a terrestrial planet's magnetic field is linked to it's size. And that larger planets are more likely to have strong magnetic fields.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:39 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!


https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... gravity-us

Actually, according to this it’d be more like 1.42G, so 50% higher then earth.

Kowani wrote:3, actually. Red Giants are too generally weak to strip magnetic fields, iirc. I could be totally wrong.


But it’d also require a magnetic field to start with, for example I think Mars lacks one.

It does, just really weak.

But we have no way of knowing whether this planet has an internal dynamo, which determines the strength.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:44 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:A lot depends on climate conditions which we have no way of knowing, but "lightweight and fragile" seems unlikely. In heavy gravity you're going to run into the same problems that terrestrial animals struggle with as they grow larger, but sooner. So you would expect animal-like life to have the general body plan of a elephant or sauropod on land. With extremely sturdy trunk like legs, even for a creature the size of a small deer.

And, of course, in our gravity they would be absurdly strong. Having many times the bone and muscle mass needed to support themselves.


I myself see herds of pancakes roaming the land, large tasty pancakes.

With the minor hitch that going down to get one will cause you to collapse like melted butter.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:09 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!


https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... gravity-us

Actually, according to this it’d be more like 1.42G, so 50% higher then earth.

Kowani wrote:3, actually. Red Giants are too generally weak to strip magnetic fields, iirc. I could be totally wrong.


But it’d also require a magnetic field to start with, for example I think Mars lacks one.


Although Mars lacks the internal dynamo to generate the strong magnetic field the earth enjoys, it does have areas of dense crust zones that create magnetic bubbles in response to solar winds. SO whilst conditions would be far more volatile than on earth, a planet with similar magnetic bubbles could support small habitable pockets

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:23 am

Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!


We can't attack. We'd die because of the high gravity. Or merely lie horizontally in water. Hoping that our hearts don't give out from pumping around blood.

(and yes, I now also see it is a mere 1.42G, which we are quite capable of enduring)
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Bombadil wrote:Given it's ten's of times bigger than earth then I assume gravity is ten's of times greater than on earth, meaning it would be likely life would find it difficult to grow over a certain size, or be extremely lightweight and somewhat fragile.

They'll be easy to beat.

Attack!

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Postby Radiatia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:26 am

I'll pass. The TV reception is probably terrible, and I can't imagine the internet is very good there either.

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Radiatia wrote:I'll pass. The TV reception is probably terrible, and I can't imagine the internet is very good there either.


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Does it have oil?

Uranium?

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The Blaatschapen wrote:Does it have oil?

Uranium?

:unsure:

Only if it has/had life.

Probably.
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Kowani wrote:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/09/first-water-found-in-habitable-exoplanets-atmosphere-hubble-kepler-k2-18b/

So, considering the grand number of threads that are utterly depressing, combative, or just plain shitstorms, I wanted to celebrate something big in science that just went by. A planet, tens of times larger than earth has been found to have water on it. (No, we didn’t go, it’s through water vapor absorbing light. The article has more info on how that works.) That’s noteworthy, but not overtly so-other planets have been found to have water before. Thing is, this one is in the Goldilocks Zone of its respective star, making it the most likely candidate for life that we know of.

Sadly, we can’t exactly check-it’s 111 light years away. But SPACE!

So, NSG, do you think there might be life on this planet? Would it be worth it to go? Not just for extraterrestrial life, but also as a secondary planet for us? And if there was life, what would happen?

do you think there might be life on this planet? maybe
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:26 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I myself see herds of pancakes roaming the land, large tasty pancakes.

With the minor hitch that going down to get one will cause you to collapse like melted butter.


A pancake would never do that.
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Petrolheadia wrote:OK, how motherfucking huge will the sum of money necessary to get there be?

Exactly 85 gazillion ChF, adjusted for future inflation.
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