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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
643
50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
16%
I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
424
33%
 
Total votes : 1277

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:10 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Considering that you couldn’t have, because the article links to the actual data on a different page, I’m gonna call that bull.


I wrote my paper in 2017 as a junior and I decided to write about an overview of guns, crime, and violence due to the prior happenings in Ferguson and going to class with some friends who lived in Ferguson including one who lived/lives up the block from the Quik Trip gas station that got immolated during the riots. I read over a portion of that statistical data and wrote about it. Specifically I wrote about how many of the information lines on graphs on 11-14 all follow similar trends across the board and how for burglary the non-Right to carry states have had a much higher overall issue with it. I primarily relied on the graphs themselves due to needing some visual representations for my paper. The reason I went with burglary and not simply larceny is Larceny is the act of stealing something whereas Burglary is the act of entering somewhere with intent to commit a crime, not just theft. Now if you mind Kowani, don't just do a keyword search and grab an article when You haven't read it yourself.

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We’re not looking at the same burglary graph, are we?
Yes, the rates for non-RTC states were higher in 1982. After that, they drop off much faster than everyone else. I have actually read the paper. I’ve used it for Policy Debates at League level.
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Telconi wrote:Every once in a while Kowani does have a decent point.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Correlation does not equal causation. I would like to see the statistic increase of CCW holders involved in violent crime and whether it spiked or not. That would be a better study.

That was a 108 page study. No way in hell did you read that in 3 minutes.

Telconi wrote:
That's not how that works...

Not how what works?


Lack of a specific benefit doesn't mean there is no benefit. The newspaper doesn't get me laid, but that doesn't mean the 1st amendment is worthless.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
I wrote my paper in 2017 as a junior and I decided to write about an overview of guns, crime, and violence due to the prior happenings in Ferguson and going to class with some friends who lived in Ferguson including one who lived/lives up the block from the Quik Trip gas station that got immolated during the riots. I read over a portion of that statistical data and wrote about it. Specifically I wrote about how many of the information lines on graphs on 11-14 all follow similar trends across the board and how for burglary the non-Right to carry states have had a much higher overall issue with it. I primarily relied on the graphs themselves due to needing some visual representations for my paper. The reason I went with burglary and not simply larceny is Larceny is the act of stealing something whereas Burglary is the act of entering somewhere with intent to commit a crime, not just theft. Now if you mind Kowani, don't just do a keyword search and grab an article when You haven't read it yourself.

Image
We’re not looking at the same burglary graph, are we?
Yes, the rates for non-RTC states were higher in 1982. After that, they drop off much faster than everyone else. I have actually read the paper. I’ve used it for Policy Debates at League level.


Robbery* My bad. Studying for Buss. Law exam tomorrow and crossed that with Burglary. Robbery - unlawful taking of property by force. IE, Michael Brown robbing the store prior to him being shot by Officer Wilson.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:19 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:That was a 108 page study. No way in hell did you read that in 3 minutes.


Not how what works?


Lack of a specific benefit doesn't mean there is no benefit. The newspaper doesn't get me laid, but that doesn't mean the 1st amendment is worthless.

Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:21 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Lack of a specific benefit doesn't mean there is no benefit. The newspaper doesn't get me laid, but that doesn't mean the 1st amendment is worthless.

Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.

Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Lack of a specific benefit doesn't mean there is no benefit. The newspaper doesn't get me laid, but that doesn't mean the 1st amendment is worthless.

Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.


Indeed.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Lack of a specific benefit doesn't mean there is no benefit. The newspaper doesn't get me laid, but that doesn't mean the 1st amendment is worthless.

Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.

If you go about life in fear of being randomly gunned down, you either have an unhealthy phobia or you live in Chicago or Detroit.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:24 pm

Ors Might wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.

Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.


B-But if their fears aren't rational how can they cause widespread pain and suffering to ensure their own comfort?
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.


B-But if their fears aren't rational how can they cause widespread pain and suffering to ensure their own comfort?

The lads can just pop a Xanax and see a professional.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:30 pm

Ors Might wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.

Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.

You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.

You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.

For bonus points, what’s the statistical probability a given American would have died in one of those three events.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes yes, you think unrestricted access to pew pew machines is more important than other's right to go about life without the fear of getting randomly gunned down. I am shocked, truly.

If you go about life in fear of being randomly gunned down, you either have an unhealthy phobia or you live in Chicago or Detroit.


Or St. Louis! Don't forget us Galloism! *Inserts AR-500 plate beneath T-shirt*
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:32 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Galloism wrote:If you go about life in fear of being randomly gunned down, you either have an unhealthy phobia or you live in Chicago or Detroit.


Or St. Louis! Don't forget us Galloism! *Inserts AR-500 plate beneath T-shirt*

But St Louis is so forgettable as a city though....
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.

You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.

And that means that they’re statistically common enough that the average person needs to worry about being gunned down? What are the odds of any given individual in the US being gunned down?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Ors Might wrote:
New haven america wrote:You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.

And that means that they’re statistically common enough that the average person needs to worry about being gunned down? What are the odds of any given individual in the US being gunned down?

Less than being hit by a car.

But that's all this silly shit is.

Hysteria built to make others fearful and angry. Its pathetic.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Or St. Louis! Don't forget us Galloism! *Inserts AR-500 plate beneath T-shirt*

But St Louis is so forgettable as a city though....


:( *Goes back to mournfully scrubbing and shining the things St. Louis has to offer*
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Don’t know about you, but people don’t normally go around actively fearing that a statistically rare event will happen to them. If they do, that generally means they need to see a psychiatrist.

You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.


They're not "small town" all three of those are labeled as "Cities". Gilroy has over 45,000 Residents and is the "smallest" of the 3. What happened at all 3 was a tragedy but don't try to use bullshit emotional terms such as "small town" to whip up support for an agenda when they aren't "small towns". Thanks! Now I need to get back to reading over how not to commit labor fraud for my exam.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:43 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Image
We’re not looking at the same burglary graph, are we?
Yes, the rates for non-RTC states were higher in 1982. After that, they drop off much faster than everyone else. I have actually read the paper. I’ve used it for Policy Debates at League level.


Robbery* My bad. Studying for Buss. Law exam tomorrow and crossed that with Burglary. Robbery - unlawful taking of property by force. IE, Michael Brown robbing the store prior to him being shot by Officer Wilson.

Sure, robbery is higher. That’s fair. But since every other type of crime is lower, and because the disparity has decreased radically, I’m gonna call that an acceptable sacrifice.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:44 pm

Ors Might wrote:
New haven america wrote:You're right, it's not like mass shootings happen in small town festivals or gatherings or schools within the same week or anything.

Oh wait, they do.

1. And that means that they’re statistically common enough that the average person needs to worry about being gunned down? 2. What are the odds of any given individual in the US being gunned down?

1. Yes, as by conservative estimates there's been ~340 mass shootings in the US. For comparison, the 2nd highest developed countries with mass shootings are generally Germany or France, and usually have <10 per year on a bad year.
2. That info's about your chance of being in a mass shooting , but generally, the chance of dying in a mass shooting in the US is 1 in 11000. Now while that does seem low, the US has a population of 325 million, which means that more people have a chance of dying in a mass shootings. (I'd personally prefer that number to be 1 in 200+ million)

You can downplay mass shootings all you want, that's fine, it's exactly what congressional Republicans did when 28 elementary school children died, so you wouldn't be the first, nor will you be the last.
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:46 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Robbery* My bad. Studying for Buss. Law exam tomorrow and crossed that with Burglary. Robbery - unlawful taking of property by force. IE, Michael Brown robbing the store prior to him being shot by Officer Wilson.

Sure, robbery is higher. That’s fair. But since every other type of crime is lower, and because the disparity has decreased radically, I’m gonna call that an acceptable sacrifice.


Have you ever been at work when a robbery is going down and the perpetrator is waving an Illegal firearm around? I hope you haven't because I sure as shit have been and I am thankful that we have firearms at my restaurant for that exact purpose.

As for the robbery part, that is one of the most committed crimes and so I fully stand firm in wanting business owners and citizens to be able to own firearms to defend against them. Especially armed robberies which absolutely fucking suck. At least I still got lunch after that attempted robbery.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ors Might wrote:1. And that means that they’re statistically common enough that the average person needs to worry about being gunned down? 2. What are the odds of any given individual in the US being gunned down?

1. Yes, as by conservative estimates there's been ~340 mass shootings in the US. For comparison, the 2nd highest developed countries with mass shootings are generally Germany or France, and usually have <10 per year on a bad year.
2. That info's about your chance of being in a mass shooting , but generally, the chance of dying in a mass shooting in the US is 1 in 11000. Now while that does seem low, the US has a population of 325 million, which means that more people have a chance of dying in a mass shootings. (I'd personally prefer that number to be 1 in 200+ million)

You can downplay mass shootings all you want, that's fine, it's exactly what congressional Republicans did when 28 children died, so you wouldn't be the first, nor will you be the last.

1. 340 mass shootings compared to the number of gun owners not committing mass shootings? Seems rather low, don’t you think?
2. Could I get a source on that?

Oh don’t you even try to play that bullshit. How about you save the crocodile tears, pull your fingers out of your ears, and pay attention to the fact that we have proposed ideas towards reducing gun violence without gun control in this very thread? Or are you interested in saving lives only when it gives you a chance to rail against something?
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:51 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sure, robbery is higher. That’s fair. But since every other type of crime is lower, and because the disparity has decreased radically, I’m gonna call that an acceptable sacrifice.


Have you ever been at work when a robbery is going down and the perpetrator is waving an Illegal firearm around? I hope you haven't because I sure as shit have been and I am thankful that we have firearms at my restaurant for that exact purpose.

As for the robbery part, that is one of the most committed crimes and so I fully stand firm in wanting business owners and citizens to be able to own firearms to defend against them. Especially armed robberies which absolutely fucking suck. At least I still got lunch after that attempted robbery.

Actually, in countries that have outlawed or placed heavy restrictions on guns, an armed robbery with a fire arm is pretty unlikely to happen, as the cost of actually getting even a standard or run of the mill pistol is so high that the average robber couldn't afford one to begin with.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:54 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sure, robbery is higher. That’s fair. But since every other type of crime is lower, and because the disparity has decreased radically, I’m gonna call that an acceptable sacrifice.


Have you ever been at work when a robbery is going down and the perpetrator is waving an Illegal firearm around? I hope you haven't because I sure as shit have been and I am thankful that we have firearms at my restaurant for that exact purpose.
That’s great that you were able to defend yourself. But we’re gonna need proof that most crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms.
As for the robbery part, that is one of the most committed crimes
It’s number 5. Assault is number 4. But non-RTC states win on that front. And with the other 3 most common crimes (burglary, larceny, and car theft), non-RTC states only lose on car theft.
and so I fully stand firm in wanting business owners and citizens to be able to own firearms to defend against them. Especially armed robberies which absolutely fucking suck. At least I still got lunch after that attempted robbery.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Have you ever been at work when a robbery is going down and the perpetrator is waving an Illegal firearm around? I hope you haven't because I sure as shit have been and I am thankful that we have firearms at my restaurant for that exact purpose.

As for the robbery part, that is one of the most committed crimes and so I fully stand firm in wanting business owners and citizens to be able to own firearms to defend against them. Especially armed robberies which absolutely fucking suck. At least I still got lunch after that attempted robbery.

Actually, in countries that have outlawed or placed heavy restrictions on guns, an armed robbery with a fire are is pretty unlikely to happen, as the cost of actually getting even a standard or run of the mill pistol is so high that the average robber couldn't afford one to begin with.

A good friend of mine who is ATF has informed me they have picked up multiple semi truck loads of grenades and full auto Soviet hardware in Florida, Georgia, and North and South Carolina on the last decade.

Those are 100% illegal to own in the US by anybody. But we have semi loads of them.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:57 pm

Galloism wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, in countries that have outlawed or placed heavy restrictions on guns, an armed robbery with a fire are is pretty unlikely to happen, as the cost of actually getting even a standard or run of the mill pistol is so high that the average robber couldn't afford one to begin with.

A good friend of mine who is ATF has informed me they have picked up multiple semi truck loads of grenades and full auto Soviet hardware in Florida, Georgia, and North and South Carolina on the last decade.

Those are 100% illegal to own in the US by anybody. But we have semi loads of them.

Remind me to head to Georgia.
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