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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:40 years ago people moved between parties, that effect is no longer observed, as younger generations no longer align with any if the GOP’s policies. Even as they get older and become homeowners and business owners, the GOP will begin to lose the vote share as the older generations die off. It’s good too.

We know this, the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in decades.

They deserve to lose massively on their denial of climate change and science alone.

Republicans continue to fight fair electoral maps because they know they can win by getting less votes because under fair maps they would lose their unfairly gotten majorities. You never see Democrats getting less votes and getting more seats in Congress or State legislatures.


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Postby Strahcoin » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:38 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:Angry racist whites? Like whom?

Didn't the Republican Party repeatedly condemn white supremacy/supremacists?


The president?

I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:45 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
The president?

I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.

really? Telling someone to go back to their country is a white supremacist mantra

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.

really? Telling someone to go back to their country is a white supremacist mantra

Not really. Dickish yes, racist/supremacist not so much.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:33 pm

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San Lumen wrote:really? Telling someone to go back to their country is a white supremacist mantra

Not really. Dickish yes, racist/supremacist not so much.

It is racist and many take it as such. So is calling Baltimore a dirty rat infested place no human would want to live in.

There have been stories of local candidates for municipal and county office making comments about keeping their communities white. They arent even being subtle anymore
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:34 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
The president?

I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.

Remember that time Trump refused to rent to black people?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:34 pm

Kowani wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.

Remember that time Trump refused to rent to black people?

That's fake news of course despite the fact that its documented

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Postby The New Peoples of the Nile » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:53 pm

This is precisely why discussion is purposeless. Did you know? Did you can twist any statement any fact with far enough reaches if you don't care about the context. Trump may've refused to offer rooms to previous buyers, but that doesn't matter does it?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:55 pm

The New Peoples of the Nile wrote:This is precisely why discussion is purposeless. Did you know? Did you can twist any statement any fact with far enough reaches if you don't care about the context. Trump may've refused to offer rooms to previous buyers, but that doesn't matter does it?

That because many have chosen to believe anything and everything he says like many dictators throughout history.

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Postby Alpenrepublic » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:59 pm

The GOP is pushing policies of allowing legal immigration to be expanded, and those people vote democrat almost all the time, then those immigrants bring their families over continuing the series of bringing in new Dem voters. This changes the demographics enough to swing the votes blue meaning less chances of GOP getting in

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Postby The New Peoples of the Nile » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:01 pm

There's been many dictators. If you reach far enough you can draw comparisons with any democratically elected leader and the worst dictators in history. Do it too much and people just stop caring. Let's keep watching voter turnouts stagnate.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:24 pm

The New Peoples of the Nile wrote:This is precisely why discussion is purposeless. Did you know? Did you can twist any statement any fact with far enough reaches if you don't care about the context. Trump may've refused to offer rooms to previous buyers, but that doesn't matter does it?

Considering that the refusal was based solely upon race…
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Postby The New Peoples of the Nile » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 pm

It's always easy to say that. There was probably consideration based upon business. Leaving rooms opening for wealthier clients isn't racist.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:34 pm

The New Peoples of the Nile wrote:It's always easy to say that. There was probably consideration based upon business. Leaving rooms opening for wealthier clients isn't racist.

They (the salespeople) were literally instructed to tell black people that space wasn’t available when it was. That’s pretty damn racist.
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Postby The New Peoples of the Nile » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:39 pm

Why, were they told to inform that there wasn't space available?

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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:41 pm

The New Peoples of the Nile wrote:Why, were they told to inform that there wasn't space available?

Because Trump didn’t want to rent to black people?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:42 pm

The New Peoples of the Nile wrote:Why, were they told to inform that there wasn't space available?

Because he literally is a racist and was citing by the Housing Department for discrimination.

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Postby US-SSR » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:43 am

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San Lumen wrote:Lets just hope Russia doesn't alter results

Republicans have made it quite clear they dont want non whites, non christians and college students to vote.


No they haven't. At all. You have bought into literal propaganda painting them as just a more presentable KKK. This in no way reflects reality.


Yes they have, working through Republican Secretaries of State to repress opposing votes.
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Postby Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:02 am

Uh, just because someone's not white doesn't mean they have to be liberal lmao. It's quite obvious that if nothing is done to change white birthrates, and rising minority numbers that whites will become a minority, and eventually extinct, just like this OP is saying basically. However, there's no guarantee that the new US in the future will be some liberal paradise. Just look at Latin America, do you think it's Europe 2.0 or something? It's populated by a deeply religious people, many of whom are against things such as abortion, gay marriage, divorce even, etc. There are plenty of social conservatives all over Latin America. It's undoubted that the US will change greatly in the future, but will the GOP die out? I doubt it.

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Postby Strahcoin » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Not really. Dickish yes, racist/supremacist not so much.

It is racist and many take it as such. So is calling Baltimore a dirty rat infested place no human would want to live in.

There have been stories of local candidates for municipal and county office making comments about keeping their communities white. They arent even being subtle anymore

No, telling anti-Americans that they can go back to their country if they don't like it here is NOT racist. Also, Baltimore (at least the part to which Trump was referring) is a "dirty rat-infested place no human would want to live in".

Also, is there any evidence that the local candidates really made comments about "keeping their communities white"? Even so, what was the context?

Kowani wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:I have yet to see any valid evidence that President Trump is "racist". (And the left-wing mainstream media is known for twisting facts and statements, so evidence from that is... less believable.)

It is wrong to call someone "racist" without proof.

Remember that time Trump refused to rent to black people?

Again, context matters. Just because somebody refuses to rent to a group of people with a specific race doesn't necessarily mean that that person is racist. There could be other reasons, and it is important to assume someone is innocent until proven beyond reasonable doubt guilty.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:41 am

Strahcoin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It is racist and many take it as such. So is calling Baltimore a dirty rat infested place no human would want to live in.

There have been stories of local candidates for municipal and county office making comments about keeping their communities white. They arent even being subtle anymore

No, telling anti-Americans that they can go back to their country if they don't like it here is NOT racist.

Considering the people in question are Americans, one wonders just why Trump thinks that they came from somewhere other than America.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:No, telling anti-Americans that they can go back to their country if they don't like it here is NOT racist.

Considering the people in question are Americans, one wonders just why Trump thinks that they came from somewhere other than America.


The people that it was assumed he was talking about in order to give that impression you mean? Rather than. Say, the one in particular who did in fact come from a shithole third world country?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:No, telling anti-Americans that they can go back to their country if they don't like it here is NOT racist.

Considering the people in question are Americans, one wonders just why Trump thinks that they came from somewhere other than America.

tlaib and omar weren't born in America and came over when they were little, the other two were born in America.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:04 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Considering the people in question are Americans, one wonders just why Trump thinks that they came from somewhere other than America.

tlaib and omar weren't born in America and came over when they were little, the other two were born in America.

From Wikipedia: “The eldest of 14 children, Rashida Tlaib (née Harbi) was born on July 24, 1976, to working-class Palestinian immigrants in Detroit.”
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:04 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Considering the people in question are Americans, one wonders just why Trump thinks that they came from somewhere other than America.


The people that it was assumed he was talking about in order to give that impression you mean? Rather than. Say, the one in particular who did in fact come from a shithole third world country?

Trump is certainly stupid enough to use plurals to refer to one person. If he came out and said that he'd made a mistake and was exclusively referring to Ilhan Omar, I'd find that believable.

Of course, as we recall from Trump's covfefe tweet, if he did make a mistake he'll probably double down rather than admit it.
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