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Should we grant the prisoner the Christmas meal?

Yes (Christmas is a time of joy and everyone should have some)
68
65%
No (revoke her Christmas rights for another year)
37
35%
 
Total votes : 105

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:26 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
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You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

Prove that we're a minority. I want proof from the posts, not the poll.


Your just more vocal

Because

You’re what? 25 percent from the polls?

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You know, it's pretty weird. IM unintentionally brought some of the most diverse casts of characters together to agree on one thing: Witch Hitler needs to die.

We have El-Amin, A Muslim from (Florida?). We have Heloin, a Rhodesian lady. We have NCR, a British Lad. Kowani, Ifreann, Andsed, FAN, all of whom have united to agree on the death penalty for Annie.


You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

Or perhaps that people feel somewhat strongly about prison conditions in general?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.


Well the people from the For group who have posted have stated more nuanced positions

Besides, what’s wrong with voting yes because they pity her? What’s wrong with Waifu votes? It shows that sympathy is real

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:I guffawed :rofl:

I'll admit that I'm one of the person who votes "For", since I don't see IM's going to change her punishment, eventhough she doesn't deserve it, in my opinion. I'm just being generous.


I’m glad that you are being generous towards Annie

I wonder why your so apologetic towards Witch Hitler

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Prove that we're a minority. I want proof from the posts, not the poll.


Your just more vocal

Because

You’re what? 25 percent from the polls?

Again, we've already explained why Polls are bullshit. Now please stop hugging them like a fireman pole as your last source of legitimacy.
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Postby ElCKuT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Prove that we're a minority. I want proof from the posts, not the poll.


Your just more vocal

Because

You’re what? 25 percent from the polls?

I legit literally just said in the very post you quoted that I want proof from posts, not the poll.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
You are very vocal group but it seems that you are a minority in this thread

Im surprised given Annie’s performance in other polls

It seems that NSG’s opinion of her has improved (at least to the point where a Christmas meal is extended)

Either that or Christmas in prison is one of those scenarios that illicit sympathy because holidays are so important for us

Or perhaps that people feel somewhat strongly about prison conditions in general?


Indeed

Because a Christmas meal matters a lot

Prison life is hard

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:Prove that we're a minority. I want proof from the posts, not the poll.


Your just more vocal

Because

You’re what? 25 percent from the polls?

The poll means nothing though. Plenty of people who said they would give her a Christmas dinner are on the side of killing her. I'm still for giving her a dinner then capping her in the head.

So if the majority of people who posted in the thread are saying she should die then what is the actual majority opinion?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:30 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.


Well the people from the For group who have posted have stated more nuanced positions

Besides, what’s wrong with voting yes because they pity her? What’s wrong with Waifu votes? It shows that sympathy is real

Sympathy towards people who happen to be cute.

If she looked like gollum from Lord of the Rings, there would be a lot more people leaning towards the latter. Because then people will finally realize "Oh wait, This asshole murdered millions"
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:32 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:We are the people posting in the thread though. And if the overwhelming opinion of the last 50 pages of those posting is kill the witch, then I'd say that opinion trumps the opinion of someone who passed through and saw cute anime waifu in prison who wants Christmas.


Well the people from the For group who have posted have stated more nuanced positions

Besides, what’s wrong with voting yes because they pity her? What’s wrong with Waifu votes? It shows that sympathy is real

Woo, thanks for the insult. How kind of you.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:40 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Well the people from the For group who have posted have stated more nuanced positions

Besides, what’s wrong with voting yes because they pity her? What’s wrong with Waifu votes? It shows that sympathy is real

Woo, thanks for the insult. How kind of you.


I meant the Yes camp (some voters) have more nuanced then just “she looks good, I spare”

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:41 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Well the people from the For group who have posted have stated more nuanced positions

Besides, what’s wrong with voting yes because they pity her? What’s wrong with Waifu votes? It shows that sympathy is real

Sympathy towards people who happen to be cute.

If she looked like gollum from Lord of the Rings, there would be a lot more people leaning towards the latter. Because then people will finally realize "Oh wait, This asshole murdered millions"


What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:41 pm

ElCKuT wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Your just more vocal

Because

You’re what? 25 percent from the polls?

I legit literally just said in the very post you quoted that I want proof from posts, not the poll.


The posts can only estimate how vocal a group is, not how large it is

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:43 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Woo, thanks for the insult. How kind of you.


I meant the Yes camp (some voters) have more nuanced then just “she looks good, I spare”

Firstly, then read what you wrote out load next time.

Secondly, you really shot yourself in the foot with this post with the one right after it.

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Sympathy towards people who happen to be cute.

If she looked like gollum from Lord of the Rings, there would be a lot more people leaning towards the latter. Because then people will finally realize "Oh wait, This asshole murdered millions"


What can I say

Physical Appearance matters

Thirdly. I'll be kicking her face in till no one is sparing her from execution for being pretty.

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:44 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
ElCKuT wrote:I legit literally just said in the very post you quoted that I want proof from posts, not the poll.


The posts can only estimate how vocal a group is, not how large it is

If the majority of the posts are of a similar opinion then they are probably the majority opinion of people who actually read the OP.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The posts can only estimate how vocal a group is, not how large it is

If the majority of the posts are of a similar opinion then they are probably the majority opinion of people who actually read the OP.


Not necessarily

You see many irl instances where a minority can be very very loud (disproportionate to reality)

For instance, atheists are often disproportionately louder in some forums then their actual representation even in that forum

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:If the majority of the posts are of a similar opinion then they are probably the majority opinion of people who actually read the OP.


Not necessarily

You see many irl instances where a minority can be very very loud (disproportionate to reality)

For instance, atheists are often disproportionately louder in some forums then their actual representation even in that forum

So your whole argument is Nixon's bullshit Silent Majority?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:49 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Not necessarily

You see many irl instances where a minority can be very very loud (disproportionate to reality)

For instance, atheists are often disproportionately louder in some forums then their actual representation even in that forum

So your whole argument is Nixon's bullshit Silent Majority?


It’s supported by the polls

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:50 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:So your whole argument is Nixon's bullshit Silent Majority?


It’s supported by the polls

Polls we've repeatedly shown to you are bull
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:52 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It’s supported by the polls

Polls we've repeatedly shown to you are bull


Polls are more accurate then post numbers

There may be two people with two opinions. However, one poster makes 100 posts. The other feels that 2 posts have explained their position adequately. The first poster’s opinion isn’t worth more.

Any poster can make any number of posts

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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:53 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:So your whole argument is Nixon's bullshit Silent Majority?


It’s supported by the polls

Do you really want to try to continue using polls as an argument with me?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It’s supported by the polls

Do you really want to try to continue using polls as an argument with me?


There’s no evidence whatsoever of poll fraud here

Unless you submit otherwise, I trust the poll

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Polls we've repeatedly shown to you are bull


Polls are more accurate then post numbers

There may be two people with two opinions. However, one poster makes 100 posts. The other feels that 2 posts have explained their position adequately. The first poster’s opinion isn’t worth more.

Any poster can make any number of posts

OK, so democracy suddenly matters now?

Game of Thrones got a 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, doesn't make it good.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:55 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Polls are more accurate then post numbers

There may be two people with two opinions. However, one poster makes 100 posts. The other feels that 2 posts have explained their position adequately. The first poster’s opinion isn’t worth more.

Any poster can make any number of posts

OK, so democracy suddenly matters now?

Game of Thrones got a 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, doesn't make it good.


It shows that 86 percent of reviewers liked it, what can be extrapolated from that depends

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:OK, so democracy suddenly matters now?

Game of Thrones got a 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, doesn't make it good.


It shows that 86 percent of reviewers liked it, what can be extrapolated from that depends

I means that 86 of viewers need to find better quality content, because they're standards are way too low.

Just because a lot of people like it does not make it the right opinion, nor does it make it fact.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:


There’s no evidence whatsoever of poll fraud here

Unless you submit otherwise, I trust the poll

And I don't even consider the poll existing. I've not voted in it and it should not matter. You know the majority of posters are for killing her, whether or not those killing her will give her the dinner sure check the polls for that. But this whole thing about "polls mean I'm right" started from your continued refusal to realise that Witch Hitler is insanely unlikable.

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