You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.
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by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 pm
Torrocca wrote:Proctopeo wrote:If all that was necessary for a subreddit to be banned was espousing an ideology that "naturally glorifies and encourages violence", then many more large subreddits would be getting canned, too.
As it stands, the rules aren't being applied evenly from any perspective.
You're right; r/The_Donald, its offshoots, and a lotta other right-wing subreddits in general gotta go. :^)
by Bojikami » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:03 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:04 pm
by Yegla Islands » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:04 pm
Torrocca wrote:No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 pm
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 pm
by Darussalam » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:06 pm
Cekoviu wrote:The rest you are free to regard as interchangeable phrases - most, overwhelming majority, whatever. It's meant as a numerically-vague, positionally-clear quantification.
99% is literally the opposite of numerically vague. It is a specific number, not a stand-in for anything you want.
Cekoviu wrote:If I should spell it out, I think the claim that if you ask random person on the street whether there are just men and women, an overwhelming majority (or whatever) will affirm this, and I have a high certainty on this on par with that most (or whatever) don't think of cockroaches as cute, even without explicit epistemic clarification of [see above] - most people don't really take the 0.5% (or, again, whatever) into account.
You think that. Not the same as it being actually the case, which is what you argued for before.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:06 pm
Torrocca wrote:Cekoviu wrote:Ok but that's not what happened.
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:07 pm
Yegla Islands wrote:Torrocca wrote:No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.
You quite literally have one point, and have been trying to hammer it in for the past dozen pages. Using the same line, repeated over and over. This isn't even debate, because debate implies an attempt at understanding your opponent's viewpoint. You've literally denied everything he's said by going "yes but context doesn't matter, and my interpretation of your shitty joke is objectively correct".
by Proctopeo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:07 pm
Torrocca wrote:Cekoviu wrote:Ok but that's not what happened.
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:08 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.
by Yegla Islands » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:10 pm
Torrocca wrote:TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.
Hmm.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:10 pm
Torrocca wrote:Yegla Islands wrote:
You quite literally have one point, and have been trying to hammer it in for the past dozen pages. Using the same line, repeated over and over. This isn't even debate, because debate implies an attempt at understanding your opponent's viewpoint. You've literally denied everything he's said by going "yes but context doesn't matter, and my interpretation of your shitty joke is objectively correct".
TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.
Hmm.
by North German Realm » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:11 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.
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by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:11 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.
He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.
Jesus fucking Christ, Torra, give it a fucking rest. It was just an off-color joke expressing strong distaste for a cancerous online community. You're looking too deep into this to try and make a claim about Nova Cyberia's beliefs that's patently untrue.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:11 pm
Torrocca wrote:You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.
Torrocca wrote:Xen, hun, now's not the time to defend blatant Nazi rhetoric.
Crysuko wrote:it's a red flag the USSR would be proud of. a hint at unsavoury sympathies and beliefs that are not welcome here.
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:11 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.
Hmm.
Friend, when even other leftists are telling you you've misunderstood me then I think it might be time to consider you're wrong.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
North German Realm wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.
I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
Cekoviu wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If that were true, libertarian parties would do much better than they are doing. Granted, liberalism and freedom and capitalism are fairly popular in the west, but that doesn't necessarily translate to libertarianism being popular.
The people among whom it's popular are often too young to vote or have low voter turnout.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
Torrocca wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.
Because, clearly, everyone knows that a perfect metaphor for "ban this community" is to explicitly call for the entire community to be gassed. Riiight.Proctopeo wrote:Jesus fucking Christ, Torra, give it a fucking rest. It was just an off-color joke expressing strong distaste for a cancerous online community. You're looking too deep into this to try and make a claim about Nova Cyberia's beliefs that's patently untrue.
Nah, I'm not gonna give it a fucking rest, because it's quite well clearly not a case of an "off-color joke", and all this downplaying on his behalf with this shit's pretty damn atrocious to say the fucking least.
by Rostavykhan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
Yegla Islands wrote:Torrocca wrote:TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.
Hmm.
I'm sorry to break this heinous truth to you, but words and phrases can have multiple meanings. There is such a thing as context, and there is such a thing as slang. Variances in expression and vocabulary - such things exist, and you seem to be handily ignoring them all.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Torrocca wrote:You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.Torrocca wrote:Xen, hun, now's not the time to defend blatant Nazi rhetoric.Crysuko wrote:it's a red flag the USSR would be proud of. a hint at unsavoury sympathies and beliefs that are not welcome here.
I don't think it is compelling evidence of Nazism. Joking about gassing things, espacially non-human things, is not exclusive to Nazis.
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:14 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:North German Realm wrote:I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.
Yeah, this is the left-wing thread so it makes sense I'd need to walk on eggshells around here.
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