How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Ethel mermania]

And using psychology to try and get your dick in someone is gross.

That's why I think makeup should be banned.

People shouldn't be allowed to make themselves look attractive?

[Des-Bal]

You sell aluminum siding?

I sell a specific viewpoint of the truth.

Wait - isn't that what seduction is? Trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal?

It's about how you think about tit. That's why seduction isn't gross but "trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal" is.

[Liriena]

"Caring less", huh?

What happened to your advocacy for contempt?

Disregarding and ignoring Is a form of contempt.

"Disregarding and ignoring" is not the same as "caring less", and I'm not sold on the "caring less" part in the first place. It sounds like you are taking an approach equivalent to "well, there are more men than women in prison, so the solution is obviously releasing some men and imprisoning more women".

And this is without mentioning, once again, that this is all built on you overgeneralizing and demonizing all women.

[Galloism]

That's why I think makeup should be banned.

People shouldn't be allowed to make themselves look attractive?

I was actually drawing an unironic comparison between the wedding ring thing and the makeup thing. They're basically the same thing.

[Bear Stearns]

Wait - isn't that what seduction is? Trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal?

It's about how you think about tit. That's why seduction isn't gross but "trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal" is.

Aren't they the same thing?

[Galloism]

I sell a specific viewpoint of the truth.

You're a Jedi Master?

[Liriena]

And using psychology to try and get your dick in someone is gross.

Why?
Because women have told you it is and you've internalized that idea?

Your persecution complex was weird but tolerable when it was against feminists. Now that you're directing it at a whole gender, though, it's just plain weird.

[Ethel mermania]

You sell aluminum siding?

I sell a specific viewpoint of the truth.

Wait - isn't that what seduction is? Trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal?

It's about how you think about tit. That's why seduction isn't gross but "trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal" is.

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

[Liriena]

And using psychology to try and get your dick in someone is gross.

That's why I think makeup should be banned.

Counterpoint: guys should wear makeup too. Deconstruct yourselves, dudes.

[Des-Bal]

I mean, intent of makeup is pretty clear.

Not really.
"I look good like this." Do you wear that makeup.

"This color is scientifically proven to create a sensation of arousal." Push this person out of a car, do not stop the car, persist in your flight until you can no longer see them.

[Bear Stearns]

I sell a specific viewpoint of the truth.



It's about how you think about tit. That's why seduction isn't gross but "trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal" is.

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Same with cologne and music to set the mood?

[Neder Brum]

How so? Everybody manipulates everybody.

I am literally a professional manipulator, being successful in my field means knowing how to psychologically control people's decision making with neatly defined terms and parameters. If I brought that arsenal into my social life I would be a monster.

No, you would just be a charmer. And if you already use these techniques on a daily basis, you're already a "monster" by your standards. Using psychology to avoid personal conflicts or being more seductive is the same for me. And you literally said earlier that people should seek treatment and it often consists of therapies which rely on psychology.

[Harkback Union]

I sell a specific viewpoint of the truth.



It's about how you think about tit. That's why seduction isn't gross but "trying to trigger physiological reactions in someone to heighten their attraction and arousal" is.

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Its not like they work anyway...

[Liriena]

Intent makes it different.

I mean, intent of makeup is pretty clear.

Stealing Jordan Peterson's talking points is bad praxis.

[Ethel mermania]

People shouldn't be allowed to make themselves look attractive?

I was actually drawing an unironic comparison between the wedding ring thing and the makeup thing. They're basically the same thing.

FWIW, I do know women, especially those who travel for a living, who preferred married men for one night stands or short flings, as those men are most likely not looking for something long term.

Tbh, I am missing the comparison.

[Galloism]

I mean, intent of makeup is pretty clear.

Not really.
"I look good like this." Do you wear that makeup.

"This color is scientifically proven to create a sensation of arousal." Push this person out of a car, do not stop the car, persist in your flight until you can no longer see them.

I mean, that's what makeup does.

There's a really neat article on it.

As with eyes, Russell found that women have darker mouths than men of the same skin tone. Manipulating lips to be darker than the rest of a woman's face makes it appear more feminine and attractive. But it turns out that the color of the lipstick matters, too. When women are ovulating, the relative concentration of the hormone estrogen rises in comparison to progesterone. This hormonal shift enhances vascular blood flow under the skin's surface, which has a number of side effects. Women near ovulation (when they're most fertile) report that they're more easily turned on and have more interest in sex. They also tend to have redder lips! By putting on reddening lipstick, women are accentuating a natural signal of fertility. On top of that, blood flow also increases during arousal, so those red lips are not only saying that she's young and healthy - they're specifically giving the illusion that she's interested in YOU, which of course is bound to draw attention. That increased blood flow also pinkens the cheeks, so blush, too, adds to this effect.

But it's not just bold colors that make a difference. Foundation and cover-up also play a large role in making a woman look more attractive. That's because we are naturally drawn to even skin tones. As our skin ages, it tends to get discolorations, whether they be from the sun, scars, or other kinds of damage. So it's not surprising that an even skin tone, no matter what the topology of the face is, strikes us as younger and thus more attractive. One study found that eye makeup and foundation were most important in explaining why makeup makes women appear more attractive and younger. Again, it's about producing offspring - youth in and of itself isn't all that useful except in the context of sex, fecundity, and fertility.

...

When you look at the science, it's no wonder that more than $40 billion dollars a year is spent on cosmetics. Makeup works, and it does so because our bodies are programmed to perceive sexual signals from the coloration of our faces. Makeup tricks our brains just enough for it to be worth the time and effort if you want to look hotter. Of course, modern media and the way women are portrayed certainly helps boost sales. But makeup has been used for centuries in disparate and diverse cultures in strikingly similar ways for a reason. In the end, we are drawn to makeup is that it taps into our primal urge to find a young, healthy mate who will produce lots of kids so that we can pass on our genes. As Theodosius Dobzhansky might have predicted, even makeup only makes sense in the light of evolution.

https://scienceblogs.com/observations/2 ... -of-makeup

I mean, intent of makeup is pretty clear.

Stealing Jordan Peterson's talking points is bad praxis.

I actually didn't even know that was a talking point of his - I just read a lot of science articles.

[The South Falls]

People shouldn't be allowed to make themselves look attractive?

I was actually drawing an unironic comparison between the wedding ring thing and the makeup thing. They're basically the same thing.

Then shouldn't any attempt at garnering partners be banned? Picking up girls with a wedding ring is inherently facetious, as is makeup. Those all improve your chances. As do clothes of the expensive variety. So nakedness as well.

[Des-Bal]

You're a Jedi Master?

I'm a lawyer, so it depends on how you look at it.

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Are you hoping they'll like the chocolate dessert or that the serotonin will make them more malleable? One's fine one's creepy.

[Bear Stearns]

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Are you hoping they'll like the chocolate dessert or that the serotonin will make them more malleable? One's fine one's creepy.

They are fundamentally the same thing. Why are you hoping they'll like chocolate dessert? So that they will like you. Why do you want them to like you? So you can fuck.

[Neder Brum]

You're a Jedi Master?

I'm a lawyer, so it depends on how you look at it.

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Are you hoping they'll like the chocolate dessert or that the serotonin will make them more malleable? One's fine one's creepy.

Nobody really thinks like that unless they are some kind of Vulcans.

[Galloism]

You're a Jedi Master?

I'm a lawyer, so it depends on how you look at it.

Good answer, Good answer!

[Ethel mermania]

So candlelit dinners with wine and a chocolate dessert are out?

Its not like they work anyway...

Personal experience says otherwise. The girl sees you are putting that much effort into her, its flattering. Granted that they accepted the date shows they are interested, but they knew the effort going into the meal was for them.

[Galloism]

I was actually drawing an unironic comparison between the wedding ring thing and the makeup thing. They're basically the same thing.

FWIW, I do know women, especially those who travel for a living, who preferred married men for one night stands or short flings, as those men are most likely not looking for something long term.

Tbh, I am missing the comparison.

Basically, the wedding ring is a false signal to boost the chances of someone finding you attractive, which leads eventually to sex.

So is makeup, for the record.

[Bear Stearns]

FWIW, I do know women, especially those who travel for a living, who preferred married men for one night stands or short flings, as those men are most likely not looking for something long term.

Tbh, I am missing the comparison.

Basically, the wedding ring is a false signal to boost the chances of someone finding you attractive, which leads eventually to sex.

So is makeup, for the record.

So is cologne, so are sun dresses, so are red Ferraris.

[Galloism]

Basically, the wedding ring is a false signal to boost the chances of someone finding you attractive, which leads eventually to sex.

So is makeup, for the record.

So is cologne, so are sun dresses, so are red Ferraris.

Well, red ferraris aren't false, unless you rent it and claim you own it or something. Then it's a false signal.

Cologne is a false signal.

I'm not sure about sun dresses. I think i'd need some science for that.