UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ostroeuropa]

Third post in a row because it's worth its own one...

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They'd never suggest it for anything potentially profitable.

2017, last available figures, showed 47 million pounds profit. That amounts to around an extra 10,000 pounds per worker on top of their already existing wages. A wage increase of around 20%. Moreover, tying worker profit to the company will alter the culture there.

Workers for instance routinely point out we are uncompetitive but the bosses wont invest.
They would if the co-owners made them.

[Vassenor]

Third post in a row because it's worth its own one...

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They'd never suggest it for anything potentially profitable.

But they've got to pretend to save the steel industry somehow after Nigel talked so much about how a Leave vote was the only way to do that.

[Liriena]

Surely you're joking?

Nope. Claire Fox was a member of the revolutionary communist party before becoming a Brexit MEP.

Daubney is a socialist.

There's others too.

...maybe we've been doing entryism wrong all along. We've been trying to push social democratic and liberal parties back to democratic socialism, when we could have been infiltrating right-wing parties and taking advantage of their carefully cultivated populist clout to push all the way to workplace democracy.

Friendship with Corbyn ended. Now Nigel Farage is my best friend while we plot his Sept of Baelor.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

[Liriena]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

Where does Boris Johnson live?

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

To be fair, she had to deal with Brexit then and hasn't really had time or clout to do anything else. She may well have done that.

Brexit party doesn't need to handle Brexit, just NO DEAL, then dive behind the couch.

[Liriena]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

To be fair, she had to deal with Brexit then and hasn't really had time or clout to do anything else. She may well have done that.

Brexit party doesn't need to handle Brexit, just NO DEAL, then dive behind the couch.

"Hey, Nigel. We just crashed out of the EU and we're all in the nude in the wilderness, metaphorically speaking. How about workplace democracy?"

"Don't bother me while I'm giving the Purdue people a tour of their future opioid addiction factories... I mean hospitals."

[Dumb Ideologies]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

Where does Boris Johnson live?

His sloppy presentation, murmuring and general stumbly clumsiness leads to the conclusion that he's actually an amateurishly-raised member of the undead.

[Liriena]

Where does Boris Johnson live?

His sloppy presentation, murmuring and general stumbly clumsiness leads to the conclusion that he's actually an amateurishly-raised member of the undead.

Necromancy ain't what it used to be. One more thing we can blame on neoliberal deregulation.

[Hirota]

Surely you're joking?

Nope. Claire Fox was a member of the revolutionary communist party before becoming a Brexit MEP.

Daubney is a socialist.

There's others too.

Henrik Overgaard-Nielsen is the other one I know for a fact has socialist roots as well. And then there are a lot of complete newbies with no links to political parties - at least none that I could find.

[Hydesland]

TFW Brexit Party elected more revolutionary communists than Labour or the Communist party.

Surely you're joking?

Nope, it's horseshoe hell, trots and fascists uniting in pursuit of a singular very bad policy idea, led by a dodgy clown funded by dark money.

[Duhon]

Daubney and the other left wing brexiteers are actively lobbying to make it happen, or at least to have a hybrid system.

Farage put up roughly 50/50 candidates for Brexit from the left and the right both for optics reasons and to try and win over more votes. So now half his reps are like "OKAY SO SOCIALISM NOW? We're willing to compromise. Just give us sooooommmeee socialism.".

Daubney is an MRA and was the first I saw making this push publicly, but that could be because he's got all the """credentials""" for it in terms of his background.

We'll know if they're Nazis when Daubney gets long knivesed.

Is Farage trying to make his party seem like this big tent centrist-esque one issue party then?

The Nazis were also technically big-tent enthusiasts, at least by name.

[Chan Island]

A lot of people here at the anti trump protest. Easily thousands.

A couple dozen pro-trump people have shown up too, and I've made a point of chatting to some. It's a sad thing really, they are just people who have been hurt by austerity and have no idea where to lash out so blame immigrants.

Lots of other protesters "chatting" to them too I see.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but protesting about a ranting angry idiot by being a ranting angry idiot doesn't seem to be accomplishing much.

Look, obviously I'm not equating you Chan to the ranting angry idiots on the footage here, nor would I say a majority. But it's easy to do so. Just as easy as it is to claim everyone who voted for Brexit is an idiot, or everyone who voted for the Brexit party is a facist. The tribalism has to stop.

Oh hey, I actually spoke to the man who got milkshaked in the video... both before and afterwards.

Before that he was... well, let's just say he was not somebody I'd like to have a pint in the pub with. One of those people who always assumes the worst in anything you say and would constantly call me and this guy in a Liberal Democrat T-shirt nasty names while discussing things. Second only to Based Amy (more on her later) in aggression towards me personally.

I wasn't around for the milkshaking so didn't know it had happened until around 6 when I had stopped by a nearby pub and a mate I had bumped into noticed the video on his phone. Anyway, his table was the one nearest to the bar and he was ranting to his half dozen or so friends, and he instantly recognised me when I went to order some food.

The funny part was that he called me a violent lefty fascist, and when I asked him what on Earth he was talking about he immediately retreated and conceded that I was "alright" and "not violent".
In fact, the rollback and subsequent discussion went so far that I was invited to join their group's photo. I declined.

Speaking of which, Based Amy screamed at me too. I don't say this lightly, but she's obviously got issues. And now I'm counting my lucky stars it was only screaming, because later she up and stabbed the Trump Baby Blimp.

You're right about the idea of that it's easy to call Brexit voters idiots out of hand. That's why dialogue and conciliation is so important (in fact, multiple times I acted a bit the verbal fire brigade to stop things boiling over)- violence doesn't do much to heal divisions. Sometimes though that requires making a big statement, a large display of support to force the attention of the media's cameras so that the conversation gets brought to the debate and not focus on how gentile the powerful are being on their grand adventure.

[Ifreann]

Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

Noted communist Theresa May.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

London, naturally.

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Do you guys remember when Theresa May said she wanted to expand workers' representation on company boards? DI remembers.

But in the 0.00001% chance this isn't a similar cynical ploy by BPers, designed to distract Lexiters from the party leadership being mostly arch-deregulationists, what city gets renamed Faragrad?

Where does Boris Johnson live?

In a pineapple under the sea.

[The New California Republic]

Where does Boris Johnson live?

In a pineapple under the sea.

I actually think he lives in the "EU £350 million a week" bus...

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Where does Boris Johnson live?

In a pineapple under the sea.

We can't send all the people responsible for Brexit to live in a pineapple under the sea.

...can we?

[Fartsniffage]

In a pineapple under the sea.

We can't send all the people responsible for Brexit to live in a pineapple under the sea.

...can we?

Gammon and pineapple is very popular after all....

[Ostroeuropa]

In a pineapple under the sea.

We can't send all the people responsible for Brexit to live in a pineapple under the sea.

...can we?

The deleted scene for Patricks plan to move Bikini bottom is a year long referendum campaign followed by years of gridlock.

[Liriena]

We can't send all the people responsible for Brexit to live in a pineapple under the sea.

...can we?

The deleted scene for Patricks plan to move Bikini bottom is a year long referendum campaign followed by years of gridlock.

I'm not surprised. Patrick was always a class traitor. Chairman Squidward should have sent him to the gulag when he had the chance.

[Liriena]

In a pineapple under the sea.

We can't send all the people responsible for Brexit to live in a pineapple under the sea.

...can we?

Not with that attitude.

[Pasong Tirad]

Is Farage trying to make his party seem like this big tent centrist-esque one issue party then?

The Nazis were also technically big-tent enthusiasts, at least by name.

You're gonna need to source that claim because I highly doubt that the far-right, antiliberal, anticommunist Nazi party was somehow big tent.

[Duhon]

The Nazis were also technically big-tent enthusiasts, at least by name.

You're gonna need to source that claim because I highly doubt that the far-right, antiliberal, anticommunist Nazi party was somehow big tent.

By name.

[Pasong Tirad]

You're gonna need to source that claim because I highly doubt that the far-right, antiliberal, anticommunist Nazi party was somehow big tent.

By name.

What even is that supposed to mean?

[Duhon]

By name.

What even is that supposed to mean?

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, ergo its attempt to encompass the entire German political spectrum of the time.

As it turned out, the real appeal was the end of Weimar and of der Jude.

[Pasong Tirad]

What even is that supposed to mean?

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, ergo its attempt to encompass the entire German political spectrum of the time.

As it turned out, the real appeal was the end of Weimar and of der Jude.

No, that's not what that means. That's not what big tent means. Their name of NSDAP meant that they were trying to court voters using left-wing talking points. It doesn't mean they were actually left-wing or big tent of any kind.