Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[The Feylands]

The contradiction is the same. "There is no right or wrong morality" is a moral claim of indifference that necessarily declares concrete moral claims to be wrong, thus being once again self-defeating.

How about this: There is "right" and "wrong", and one might guess that a god-like entity could establish what that would be in some kind of "objective" way. But because we are bound by our senses and our limited ability to perceive things, and since we are of different essence and context, different things are "right" and "wrong" for different living entities - and there isn't necessarily anything fundamentally wrong with that?

(apparently this position is called "intersubjective morality"..)

[Bienenhalde]

But "thou" is a second person pronoun, not third-person!

And "they" was supposed to be plural.

Just roll with me here.

Yeah, well I do not think we should make just make our language more confusing for no good reason.

[Fahran]

How about this: There is "right" and "wrong", and one might guess that a god-like entity could establish what that would be in some kind of "objective" way. But because we are bound by our senses and our limited ability to perceive things, and since we are of different essence and context, different things are "right" and "wrong" for different living entities - and there isn't necessarily anything fundamentally wrong with that?

(apparently this position is called "intersubjective morality"..)

I'm not certain that's really a salvageable position if we presume right and wrong are predicated on a transcendent moral order or on the social construction of moral conventions. If we take it beyond ethics though, the position becomes almost tantamount to solipsism in so far as it enables the rejection of empiricism. If I stated that the sky was green, my opinion would be neither correct nor incorrect under this approach.

[Conserative Morality]

People need social cohesion, I guess, because they're lame and not dedicated enough to the NATION which SHOULD be ENOUGH for you UNGRATEFUL PEASANTS

But really, interesting stuff on gangs and social organization.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

People need social cohesion, I guess, because they're lame and not dedicated enough to the NATION which SHOULD be ENOUGH for you UNGRATEFUL PEASANTS

But really, interesting stuff on gangs and social organization.

What are they defining as gangs? There’s a difference between criminals and shitposters.

[Greater Westralia]

What are they defining as gangs? There’s a difference between criminals and shitposters.

Read the fucking article, maybe?

They're talking about actual criminal (or ex-criminal) gangs.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Read the fucking article, maybe?

They're talking about actual criminal (or ex-criminal) gangs.

*taps head*
They’re not criminals if they are legalized.

Here’s what the article says: “To be clear, just being a member of a gang is not illegal. But because many gang members are known to engage in illegal activity, US law enforcement targets people it suspects of being members.”
It sounds like it is implying that they define gangs as not necessarily illegal.

[Greater Westralia]

*taps head*
They’re not criminals if they are legalized.

Here’s what the article says: “To be clear, just being a member of a gang is not illegal. But because many gang members are known to engage in illegal activity, US law enforcement targets people it suspects of being members.”
It sounds like it is implying that they define gangs as not necessarily illegal.

Hence, ex-criminal. Ecuador started treating their gangs as cultural groups rather than organisations of criminals, which is all explained in the article.

[Hanafuridake]

People got mad because I called the Prime Minister a “悲しい子犬.” (Sad Puppy) and that I hoped he ended up in jail.

After that, I just avoid it.

You mean Abe?

Yes.

This was back when he was in hot water over that scandal about a land sale.

Too hot, dial it back.

What's next, giving a gender to every word?

Stop encouraging the Spanish.

[Salus Maior]

[quote="Conserative Morality";p="35498520"]People need social cohesion, I guess, because they're lame and not dedicated enough to the NATION which SHOULD be ENOUGH for you UNGRATEFUL PEASANTS


But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

[Greater Westralia]

But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

For the social aspect presumably.

[Novus America]

People need social cohesion, I guess, because they're lame and not dedicated enough to the NATION which SHOULD be ENOUGH for you UNGRATEFUL PEASANTS


But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

People usually need a sense of community and belonging.
Finding non criminal groups to provide this is necessary.

But I am not sure if the best way is to make gangs nicer, instead of simply providing better alternatives. Like mandatory national service.

[Salus Maior]

But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

For the social aspect presumably.

So, they're not so much gangs as clubs now then.

[Greater Westralia]

So, they're not so much gangs as clubs now then.

That's the point of the legalisation, yes. Taking the claws from the tiger.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

During every one of my infrequent trips to Facebook, I die a little more inside.

People got mad because I called the Prime Minister a “悲しい子犬.” (Sad Puppy) and that I hoped he ended up in jail.

After that, I just avoid it.

I see. What did old あべ　do to make him deserve jail?

[Conserative Morality]

But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

That's the point - people often turn to gangs for a sense of belonging that they lack in their day-to-day communities rather than a desire or need for criminality itself. I don't think that the legislation and its effects has much in the way of broader significance in and of itself but it does add evidence to one of the biggest root causes of gang development in communities.

[Sirocca]

I could argue that the "subjective morality" point inherently negates the concept of morality in itself.

[Salus Maior]

But...What's the point of being in a gang if you're not committing crime?

That's the point - people often turn to gangs for a sense of belonging that they lack in their day-to-day communities rather than a desire or need for criminality itself. I don't think that the legislation and its effects has much in the way of broader significance in and of itself but it does add evidence to one of the biggest root causes of gang development in communities.

Well, yes, I think a lot of people understand that. Which is why people endorse things like sports clubs and such.

[Conserative Morality]

Well, yes, I think a lot of people understand that. Which is why people endorse things like sports clubs and such.

I think a lot of people don't understand that, unfortunately.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I see. What did old あべ　do to make him deserve jail?

Refusing to apologize to China, Taiwan, and Korea and not banning anime.

[Germanic Templars]

Judge Bao is best: https://youtu.be/AZieEEvgaLU?t=284

[Germanic Templars]

I see. What did old あべ　do to make him deserve jail?

Refusing to apologize to China, Taiwan, and Korea and not banning anime.

Banning anime would have been a crime of its own.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Refusing to apologize to China, Taiwan, and Korea and not banning anime.

Banning anime would have been a crime of its own.

No, I'm pretty sure it would be one of the best things ever.

[Germanic Templars]

Banning anime would have been a crime of its own.

No, I'm pretty sure it would be one of the best things ever.

No.

[Northern Davincia]

People got mad because I called the Prime Minister a “悲しい子犬.” (Sad Puppy) and that I hoped he ended up in jail.

After that, I just avoid it.

You mean Abe?

St. Abe, you mean.