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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:32 am

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:04 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768
Part of the registration process would include filling out an application that included:

• Name, age, sex and date of birth
• Personal and business addresses
• Telephone number
• Social security number
• Citizenship status
• Make, model, caliber/gauge, type and serial number of each firearm
• Two photographs taken within 30 days immediately prior to the date of filing the application equivalent to passport size showing the full face, head and shoulders of the applicant in a clear and distinguishing manner
• Fingerprints


Let's check out the carve out:
(1) Firearms owned or under the direct control or custody of a Federal, State or local governmental authority maintained in the course of its official duties.

2) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by law enforcement officers who are not residents of this Commonwealth.

(3) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by corrections officers who are not residents of this Commonwealth.

(4) Firearms owned, manufactured or processed by licensed manufacturers of firearms, bulk transporters or licensed sellers of firearms at wholesale or retail, provided that such persons have all licenses required by law.

(5) A nonresident of this Commonwealth participating in a lawful recreational firearm-related activity in this Commonwealth, or on the way to or from the firearm-related activity in another jurisdiction, provided that the possession or control of the firearm is lawful in the jurisdiction in which the individual resides and that the weapon is either:

(i) Broken down in a nonfunctioning state.

(ii) Unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearmcarrying box, shipping box or other container.

(6) Private security personnel who possess or control a firearm or ammunition within this Commonwealth. Firearms under this paragraph shall be owned and maintained by the security firm employing the security personnel and shall be registered by the security firm in accordance with this section.

Are they seriously considering this? That goes against the very grain of the Constitution. Is it talking about all guns, or just semi-autos?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:21 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768


Let's check out the carve out:

Are they seriously considering this? That goes against the very grain of the Constitution. Is it talking about all guns, or just semi-autos?

All firearms except those who are part of the privileged class that is listed in the carve out along with: (i) Broken down in a nonfunctioning state.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:23 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768
Part of the registration process would include filling out an application that included:

• Name, age, sex and date of birth
• Personal and business addresses
• Telephone number
• Social security number
• Citizenship status
• Make, model, caliber/gauge, type and serial number of each firearm
• Two photographs taken within 30 days immediately prior to the date of filing the application equivalent to passport size showing the full face, head and shoulders of the applicant in a clear and distinguishing manner
• Fingerprints


Let's check out the carve out:
(1) Firearms owned or under the direct control or custody of a Federal, State or local governmental authority maintained in the course of its official duties.

2) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by law enforcement officers who are not residents of this Commonwealth.

(3) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by corrections officers who are not residents of this Commonwealth.

(4) Firearms owned, manufactured or processed by licensed manufacturers of firearms, bulk transporters or licensed sellers of firearms at wholesale or retail, provided that such persons have all licenses required by law.

(5) A nonresident of this Commonwealth participating in a lawful recreational firearm-related activity in this Commonwealth, or on the way to or from the firearm-related activity in another jurisdiction, provided that the possession or control of the firearm is lawful in the jurisdiction in which the individual resides and that the weapon is either:

(i) Broken down in a nonfunctioning state.

(ii) Unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearmcarrying box, shipping box or other container.

(6) Private security personnel who possess or control a firearm or ammunition within this Commonwealth. Firearms under this paragraph shall be owned and maintained by the security firm employing the security personnel and shall be registered by the security firm in accordance with this section.

I wish we could get some pro-2A legislators to start spamming free speech permit bills every time one of these idiotic things pops up.
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Postby Puldania » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:30 am

I find it difficult to reconcile my pacifism and libertarianism in regards to gun control.
On the one hand, I would prefer if nobody needed to use firearms and that many people are too quick to lethal force to be trusted with firearms, but at the same time I also don't think that freedoms should be limited so as to disenfranchise minorities and others who could be targeted by an unjust authority.

It really is a headache.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:31 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768


Let's check out the carve out:

I wish we could get some pro-2A legislators to start spamming free speech permit bills every time one of these idiotic things pops up.

what we could do is send them an Pro-2nd Amendment email bomb to flood there inboxes with an infinite amount of pro 2nd emails and ads. I learned this from YouTube by watching videos of /r/prorevenge stories
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Postby Puldania » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:32 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768


Let's check out the carve out:

Are they seriously considering this? That goes against the very grain of the Constitution. Is it talking about all guns, or just semi-autos?

is there something particularly outrageous about this? I might be misunderstanding, but it seems fairly reasonable.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:36 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If you live in PA, you may want to start flooding their email boxes and light up the phone lines and get this unconstitutional bill killed.
House Bill 768


Let's check out the carve out:

I wish we could get some pro-2A legislators to start spamming free speech permit bills every time one of these idiotic things pops up.


Yep, and watch the ensuing arm flailing over 1st Amendment infringements.
Reminded me of this one:
Indiana lawmaker has drafted a bill to license journalists
His proposal would require professional journalists to submit an application to the Indiana State Police. Journalists would be fingerprinted as part of the process and would have to pay a $75 fee for a lifetime license. Those with felony or domestic battery convictions would be prohibited from getting a license.

The proposal is almost an exact copy of Indiana’s law requiring a license to carry a handgun...
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Postby Licana » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 am

Puldania wrote:is there something particularly outrageous about this? I might be misunderstanding, but it seems fairly reasonable.


To someone who sincerely believes something like this:

Puldania wrote:I also don't think that freedoms should be limited so as to disenfranchise minorities and others who could be targeted by an unjust authority.


It should be obviously outrageous.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:44 am

Puldania wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are they seriously considering this? That goes against the very grain of the Constitution. Is it talking about all guns, or just semi-autos?

is there something particularly outrageous about this? I might be misunderstanding, but it seems fairly reasonable.

Nothing about it is even remotely reasonable, not to mention each firearm cert will have to be renewed annually.
There is also the issue that registration does not even remotely address crimes that involve firearms, it's only purpose is for confiscation.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:22 am

May be of some interest.
The CDC’s Gun Injury Data Is Becoming Even Less Reliable
“When I looked at the 2017 numbers, I went, ‘Oh, my god,’” said David Hemenway, the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “You just can’t use those numbers.”

The CDC acknowledges its estimates are unreliable, but as it’s the nation’s premier public health agency, its figures are still widely used by researchers, journalists and the general public. That the latest numbers have become even more uncertain suggests that the CDC can’t be counted on to accurately estimate the number of gun injuries in the U.S. right now....
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:47 am

Puldania wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Are they seriously considering this? That goes against the very grain of the Constitution. Is it talking about all guns, or just semi-autos?

is there something particularly outrageous about this? I might be misunderstanding, but it seems fairly reasonable.

So you think it's reasonable to allow the government to essentially put together a list of armed citizens that could be a threat to the government in the future?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:22 am

So, 4 idiot judges in Connecticut's supreme court has ruled 4-3, Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle that was used in sandyhook.
Court rules AR-15 gun maker can be sued over Sandy Hook shooting
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:49 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Puldania wrote:is there something particularly outrageous about this? I might be misunderstanding, but it seems fairly reasonable.

So you think it's reasonable to allow the government to essentially put together a list of armed citizens that could be a threat to the government in the future?

To be honest I'd be surprised if the FBI et al didn't have lists of potential troublemakers already...
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:04 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:So you think it's reasonable to allow the government to essentially put together a list of armed citizens that could be a threat to the government in the future?

To be honest I'd be surprised if the FBI et al didn't have lists of potential troublemakers already...

nah the FBI wouldn't have that the NSA and Google would.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:28 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:To be honest I'd be surprised if the FBI et al didn't have lists of potential troublemakers already...

nah the FBI wouldn't have that the NSA and Google would.

Agreed. Them, or the CIA.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:43 pm

God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:57 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp

That is so stupid. That would be like suing a paper manufacturer because you got a papercut. It's not the manufacturer's fault.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:58 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp

I just posted this earlier today.

Look up about 4 posts.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:04 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp

That is so stupid. That would be like suing a paper manufacturer because you got a papercut. It's not the manufacturer's fault.


Well considering they are going after the "marketing" or "advertising" angle and of course 4 Conn. supreme court idiots bought into it all while ignoring the fact the the looser who did the shooting had to kill the owner to get the firearm, and the firearm was never sold to the waste of skin.

Edit to add: I'm sure this ruling still violates the PLCAA and if it gets to a federal circuit/appeals court it's going to get laughed at and tossed.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:09 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp

I just posted this earlier today.

Look up about 4 posts.

https://youtu.be/hP5KzBJ42r4
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:26 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:God please please make another Earth for all of your freedom/gun loving children to inhabit and leave those who infringe upon ones Constitutional rights because of feelings on this planet who some say is flat and will end in 12 years. ….. Ahem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court ... spartanntp

That is so stupid. That would be like suing a paper manufacturer because you got a papercut. It's not the manufacturer's fault.


When have people like that ever been concerned with "fault"?
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:So, 4 idiot judges in Connecticut's supreme court has ruled 4-3, Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle that was used in sandyhook.
Court rules AR-15 gun maker can be sued over Sandy Hook shooting


Don't blame me, I didn't vote for the idiots that appointed those judges.

BTW, the families are going to lose, badly. Especially when they have to pay Remington's legal fees.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:That is so stupid. That would be like suing a paper manufacturer because you got a papercut. It's not the manufacturer's fault.


When have people like that ever been concerned with "fault"?

most of all what I find funny in that story is that the Conn Supreme Court thinks they can let the families sue the company yet state law never trumps federal law when it comes to the 2nd amendment so this lawsuit will make it to the 2nd Circuit or the 4th circuit I wouldn't be surprised if it was brought to the 5th circuit and then those judges will overrule this obvious unconstitutional state court ruling violating the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA)
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:14 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:So, 4 idiot judges in Connecticut's supreme court has ruled 4-3, Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle that was used in sandyhook.
Court rules AR-15 gun maker can be sued over Sandy Hook shooting


Don't blame me, I didn't vote for the idiots that appointed those judges.

BTW, the families are going to lose, badly. Especially when they have to pay Remington's legal fees.


No blame from me, I know you didn't.
I find it interesting since the kid had to kill his mom to get to the firearms in a locked safe that just so happened to contain an AR platform rifle, it is Remington on the hook because black rifle is evil and bad, the other firearms not so much. Then there is the issue the mother bought the firearm 2 years prior, so the kid didn't even engage in any transaction to procure the firearm, he had to kill and steal it, and yet it is Remington's fault.
I can see it now, Ford motor company being sued due to their marketing and advertisement showing a Mustang® doing burnouts and driving recklessly because some idiot thought it would be cool to emulate. Everyone else is to blame but the person responsible, the new American way of life.
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